2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Madhouse]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

Lol. Siakam has a lot more value than that.

top 3 pick type value?

[CANsportsguru]

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

Lol. Siakam has a lot more value than that.

top 3 pick type value?

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

[Madhouse]

Lol. Siakam has a lot more value than that.

top 3 pick type value?

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

I mean he needs to gain weight but I would absolutely trade Siakam for Chet

[Kinger95]

top 3 pick type value?

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

I mean he needs to gain weight but I would absolutely trade Siakam for Chet

In todays nba a build like Chet’s is actually a good thing in my opinion. Just look at Zion , dude can’t stay on the floor because he’s huge. Kd is rail thin and a top 10 all time player. Giannis is elite because of his combination of length, speed, agility and athleticism. Guys that dominate because of strength/size are devalued because the nba lives on the 3 point line now and bigs have to come out of the paint now. Look at how the clippers made gobert unplayable in the playoffs with floor spacing. Chet could bust but he could also be a KAT with defense

[CANsportsguru]

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

I mean he needs to gain weight but I would absolutely trade Siakam for Chet

In todays nba a build like Chet’s is actually a good thing in my opinion. Just look at Zion , dude can’t stay on the floor because he’s huge. Kd is rail thin and a top 10 all time player. Giannis is elite because of his combination of length, speed, agility and athleticism. Guys that dominate because of strength/size are devalued because the nba lives on the 3 point line now and bigs have to come out of the paint now. Look at how the clippers made gobert unplayable in the playoffs with floor spacing. Chet could bust but he could also be a KAT with defense

Chet's game is more like Porzingis than KAT. Chet is very, very thin he gets pushed around relatively easy (and that's in college). To put it in perspective he's thinner than Boucher. KD is thin but still 240lbs (lean muscle). To expect Chet be able to put on 40-50lbs it's probably a bit of a stretch.

[Ell Curry]

I mean he needs to gain weight but I would absolutely trade Siakam for Chet

In todays nba a build like Chet’s is actually a good thing in my opinion. Just look at Zion , dude can’t stay on the floor because he’s huge. Kd is rail thin and a top 10 all time player. Giannis is elite because of his combination of length, speed, agility and athleticism. Guys that dominate because of strength/size are devalued because the nba lives on the 3 point line now and bigs have to come out of the paint now. Look at how the clippers made gobert unplayable in the playoffs with floor spacing. Chet could bust but he could also be a KAT with defense

Chet's game is more like Porzingis than KAT. Chet is very, very thin he gets pushed around relatively easy (and that's in college). To put it in perspective he's thinner than Boucher. KD is thin but still 240lbs (lean muscle). To expect Chet be able to put on 40-50lbs it's probably a bit of a stretch.

I can't imagine Chet will put on 40 pounds.

But Porzingis struggles to get involved offensively with cuts and rolls or plays at the rim and I don't think Chet will have that trouble. I'm guessing he'll be able to play the 4 just fine, which KP can't. Basically an all-star version of Boucher, who we know Nurse prefers as a 4. He put up 14-7-2 blocks last year. Don't see why Chet can't be the same type of player but throwing up like 23-12-3 blocks next to another big man and you get good spacing because Chet can shoot and a 2nd shotblocker, much like how Cleveland's D is built on having a shotblocker/skinny 5 at the 4 in Mobley next to Allen.

[Los_29]

top 3 pick type value?

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

I mean he needs to gain weight but I would absolutely trade Siakam for Chet

Masai wouldn’t.

[wegotthabeet]

If PDX ends up with #6, does that get OG or Pascal?

are there Sabonis-for-Haliburton style trades out there that we can pursue in the offseason? With the idea of creating a young, high-ceiling core to build a contender with.

Siakam for Shaedon Sharpe with the 6th pick. High risk, high reward type move.

Lol. Siakam has a lot more value than that.

I don't disagree necessarily. I have Sharpe as the number 1 prospect in 2022 as of today, although I haven't dived deep into this draft yet. I'm very high on his potential. Would you do Siakam for the Portland & New Orleans picks? Two top 10 picks is closer or what?

[Scottie4Bro]

You want to trade Siakam to draft the guy who hasn't even sniffed playing time in college yet?

[wegotthabeet]

You want to trade Siakam to draft the guy who hasn't even sniffed playing time in college yet?

No. I love Siakam. Just throwing ideas out there to gauge his perceived value.

I wouldn't really want to move Barnes, OG or Siakam. I think all three are the prototypical players this team wants moving forward. Personally I'd be more inclined to move Vanvleet or Trent Jr. due to their respective contract situations. Still has to be a great offer though.

[Kingsway_fan]

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

I mean he needs to gain weight but I would absolutely trade Siakam for Chet

Masai wouldn’t.

Agreed. These posters are clueless....

[tecumseh18]

I wouldn't really want to move Barnes, OG or Siakam. I think all three are the prototypical players this team wants moving forward.

100%. While their size and skills overlap, Pascal and Scottie showed last night against Denver that they can co-exist and prosper. It makes injuries to one of them easier to handle - as we are seeing with OG being out. Those three (and Precious?) are untouchable.

Personally I'd be more inclined to move Vanvleet or Trent Jr. due to their respective contract situations. Still has to be a great offer though.

Well, Fred is on of the top PGs in the game right now, and Gary when he's hot is one of the top SGs. Both are two-way players. I mean, for a Kawhi-like return, sure.

[wegotthabeet]

I wouldn't really want to move Barnes, OG or Siakam. I think all three are the prototypical players this team wants moving forward.

100%. While their size and skills overlap, Pascal and Scottie showed last night against Denver that they can co-exist and prosper. It makes injuries to one of them easier to handle - as we are seeing with OG being out. Those three (and Precious?) are untouchable.

Personally I'd be more inclined to move Vanvleet or Trent Jr. due to their respective contract situations. Still has to be a great offer though.

Well, Fred is on of the top PGs in the game right now, and Gary when he's hot is one of the top SGs. Both are two-way players. I mean, for a Kawhi-like return, sure.

What about FVV for P.Williams, Ayo & Caruso? Not a Kawhi return, but that would boost the bench tremendously.

Barnes
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Williams
Siakam

Bench - Caruso, Ayo, Banton, Achiuwa, Birch, Boucher, Young, Flynn, Champagnie, Brooks.

[tecumseh18]

I wouldn't really want to move Barnes, OG or Siakam. I think all three are the prototypical players this team wants moving forward.

100%. While their size and skills overlap, Pascal and Scottie showed last night against Denver that they can co-exist and prosper. It makes injuries to one of them easier to handle - as we are seeing with OG being out. Those three (and Precious?) are untouchable.

Personally I'd be more inclined to move Vanvleet or Trent Jr. due to their respective contract situations. Still has to be a great offer though.

Well, Fred is on of the top PGs in the game right now, and Gary when he's hot is one of the top SGs. Both are two-way players. I mean, for a Kawhi-like return, sure.

Yeah, the alternative to a Kawhi trade is a Rudy Gay trade - i.e. talent for a bench. Let's see how the team performs if Fred misses the next few games. But I'm high on Zo, and I'm not sure why the Bulls would want both him and Fred.

What about FVV for P.Williams, Ayo & Caruso? Not a Kawhi return, but that would boost the bench tremendously.

Barnes
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Williams
Siakam

Bench - Caruso, Ayo, Banton, Achiuwa, Birch, Boucher, Young, Flynn, Champagnie, Brooks.

[Spida888]

I wouldn't really want to move Barnes, OG or Siakam. I think all three are the prototypical players this team wants moving forward.

100%. While their size and skills overlap, Pascal and Scottie showed last night against Denver that they can co-exist and prosper. It makes injuries to one of them easier to handle - as we are seeing with OG being out. Those three (and Precious?) are untouchable.

Personally I'd be more inclined to move Vanvleet or Trent Jr. due to their respective contract situations. Still has to be a great offer though.

Well, Fred is on of the top PGs in the game right now, and Gary when he's hot is one of the top SGs. Both are two-way players. I mean, for a Kawhi-like return, sure.

What about FVV for P.Williams, Ayo & Caruso? Not a Kawhi return, but that would boost the bench tremendously.

Barnes
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Williams
Siakam

Bench - Caruso, Ayo, Banton, Achiuwa, Birch, Boucher, Young, Flynn, Champagnie, Brooks.

That's an interesting idea. I like the prospects in the return where one day can be starters so it's not like we're trading Fred just for bench pieces. That said, for now I'm guessing both sides will say no. Things might change depending on playoff results.

Fred although not fitting the 6'9 archetype has been a key player and the definitive leader. FO also appears to be super high on him.

[Madhouse]

100%. While their size and skills overlap, Pascal and Scottie showed last night against Denver that they can co-exist and prosper. It makes injuries to one of them easier to handle - as we are seeing with OG being out. Those three (and Precious?) are untouchable.



Well, Fred is on of the top PGs in the game right now, and Gary when he's hot is one of the top SGs. Both are two-way players. I mean, for a Kawhi-like return, sure.

What about FVV for P.Williams, Ayo & Caruso? Not a Kawhi return, but that would boost the bench tremendously.

Barnes
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Williams
Siakam

Bench - Caruso, Ayo, Banton, Achiuwa, Birch, Boucher, Young, Flynn, Champagnie, Brooks.

That's an interesting idea. I like the prospects in the return where one day can be starters so it's not like we're trading Fred just for bench pieces. That said, for now I'm guessing both sides will say no. Things might change depending on playoff results.

Fred although not fitting the 6'9 archetype has been a key player and the definitive leader. FO also appears to be super high on him.

Caruso has a huge impact on winning. Very underrated.

[wegotthabeet]

100%. While their size and skills overlap, Pascal and Scottie showed last night against Denver that they can co-exist and prosper. It makes injuries to one of them easier to handle - as we are seeing with OG being out. Those three (and Precious?) are untouchable.



Well, Fred is on of the top PGs in the game right now, and Gary when he's hot is one of the top SGs. Both are two-way players. I mean, for a Kawhi-like return, sure.

What about FVV for P.Williams, Ayo & Caruso? Not a Kawhi return, but that would boost the bench tremendously.

Barnes
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Williams
Siakam

Bench - Caruso, Ayo, Banton, Achiuwa, Birch, Boucher, Young, Flynn, Champagnie, Brooks.

That's an interesting idea. I like the prospects in the return where one day can be starters so it's not like we're trading Fred just for bench pieces. That said, for now I'm guessing both sides will say no. Things might change depending on playoff results.

Fred although not fitting the 6'9 archetype has been a key player and the definitive leader. FO also appears to be super high on him.

Thought process is that Chicago is in win now mode and plays small ball with DeMar at the 4. They seem to like Raptor players as well. Raptors do right by Fred and send him to contender close to where he's from. They can re-sign Lavine to a max and still stay below the tax.

Ball
Vanvleet
Lavine
Derozan
Vucevic

Toronto adds a young defensive forward with potential. Siakam & Barnes become the top two options. Ayo and Caruso add great depth pieces. This might work in the offseason if both teams get bounced in the 1st round.

[Spida888]

What about FVV for P.Williams, Ayo & Caruso? Not a Kawhi return, but that would boost the bench tremendously.

Barnes
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Williams
Siakam

Bench - Caruso, Ayo, Banton, Achiuwa, Birch, Boucher, Young, Flynn, Champagnie, Brooks.

That's an interesting idea. I like the prospects in the return where one day can be starters so it's not like we're trading Fred just for bench pieces. That said, for now I'm guessing both sides will say no. Things might change depending on playoff results.

Fred although not fitting the 6'9 archetype has been a key player and the definitive leader. FO also appears to be super high on him.

Thought process is that Chicago is in win now mode and plays small ball with DeMar at the 4. They seem to like Raptor players as well. Raptors do right by Fred and send him to contender close to where he's from. They can re-sign Lavine to a max and still stay below the tax.

Ball
Vanvleet
Lavine
Derozan
Vucevic

Toronto adds a young defensive forward with potential. Siakam & Barnes become the top two options. Ayo and Caruso add great depth pieces. This might work in the offseason if both teams get bounced in the 1st round.

Yeah I getcha. Could be interesting too if we play the Bulls in the first round in the 3 v 6 matchup.

[Spida888]

What about FVV for P.Williams, Ayo & Caruso? Not a Kawhi return, but that would boost the bench tremendously.

Barnes
Trent Jr.
Anunoby
Williams
Siakam

Bench - Caruso, Ayo, Banton, Achiuwa, Birch, Boucher, Young, Flynn, Champagnie, Brooks.

That's an interesting idea. I like the prospects in the return where one day can be starters so it's not like we're trading Fred just for bench pieces. That said, for now I'm guessing both sides will say no. Things might change depending on playoff results.

Fred although not fitting the 6'9 archetype has been a key player and the definitive leader. FO also appears to be super high on him.

Caruso has a huge impact on winning. Very underrated.

For sure, I like him. He's a big part of improving the Bulls defense this year.

[DangerZone13]

Not saying they SHOULD, but I think GTJ and/or OG will be off the roster one way or another before Fred and/or Pascal.

If Scottie is this good this soon, it makes more sense to get him a couple playoff runs in his NBA-formative years so he can build his habits in that scope - similar to how Kawhi came up with the Spurs. I use Kawhi as the example not because of the on-court abilities, but his mind-set which became the team's mindset during that celebrated run - such as walking off the floor after a big win with straight game faces on, ready for the next one.
Scottie already shows flashes of a fierceness inside - iron sharpening iron in the playoffs will hone him to a fine edge, and the sooner the better.