2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

[The High Cyde]

Yeah I'm eating hella crow on him from earlier in the season, good on him!

[Snowwy]

Post All-Star break 22.3 pts 7.5 rebs 6.0 asts 0.5 stls 0.6 blks .444 FG% .288 3pt% .850 FT% in 35.8 mpg 5-5 W/L

That is some bad (but not unexpected) shooting. Why does he get a pass from many casual fans for his percentages? Cade Cunningham and Russell Westbrook have the same eFG% this year. This guy is not good. He has a ton of potential, but he is not good. He has the ball a lot and has a lot of opportunity on a really bad team.

[tmorgan]

If you give me an option to take any rookie in this class I'm taking Cade without giving it more than 2 seconds of thought. If you ask Cavs fans they take Mobley. If you ask Raps fans they take Scottie Barnes.

That is pretty special.

I have read something like that even about other players in the draft class, too.

Yeah, but those fanbases are being dumb. I get the appeal of Green, Giddey, Wagner, Kuminga, and even some others, but if you wouldn’t trade one of those guys for Cade, Scottie, or Evan, you’re a dummy.

I guess you can convince me on Green as a long term play, as he has tremendous scoring potential, but I still think it’s a poor choice.

[Cavaliers2]

Cade and Barnes both have been putting in a big final push for that ROY race. Mobley I thought would perhaps see a jump in production with Allen out but he's been a pretty consistent 14 to 15 PPG ever month this season he hasn't really jumped up but he's just been consistent all year.

well its only been like 3.5 games without allen but he has seen a jump in production so far...averaging like 19.5 and 12 in the past 4 games

[MotownMadness]

Post All-Star break 22.3 pts 7.5 rebs 6.0 asts 0.5 stls 0.6 blks .444 FG% .288 3pt% .850 FT% in 35.8 mpg 5-5 W/L

That is some bad (but not unexpected) shooting. Why does he get a pass from many casual fans for his percentages?

I think its opposite where casual fans would see it as more of a problem just stat watching.

Anybody who watches him leaves pretty impressed after at how advanced he is at his age as the #1 guy on his squad. He has a arsenal of moves as a 3 level scorer who commands alot of attention from defenses. Plus he also plays hard on defense all game.

[Snowwy]

Post All-Star break 22.3 pts 7.5 rebs 6.0 asts 0.5 stls 0.6 blks .444 FG% .288 3pt% .850 FT% in 35.8 mpg 5-5 W/L

That is some bad (but not unexpected) shooting. Why does he get a pass from many casual fans for his percentages?

I think its opposite where casual fans would see it as more of a problem just stat watching.

Anybody who watches him leaves pretty impressed after at how advanced he is at his age as the #1 guy on his squad. He has a arsenal of moves as a 3 level scorer who commands alot of attention from defenses. Plus he also plays hard on defense all game.

His defence is quite good and he tries hard. But his red flag going into the league was he can't shoot. And he still can't shoot. 28% from 3 is not a three level scorer lol. 28% from 3 on 6 attempts per game is dumb. Look a little closer at his stats and he is basically a lite-Russell Westbrook on offense at this point. He has a ton of potential, but he is not good at this point.

[celticfan42487]

Cade and Barnes both have been putting in a big final push for that ROY race. Mobley I thought would perhaps see a jump in production with Allen out but he's been a pretty consistent 14 to 15 PPG ever month this season he hasn't really jumped up but he's just been consistent all year.

Yeah as a Celtics fan that has seen plenty of the Raps and the Pistons twice in the past couple weeks... both of those guys have all-star written all over them.

They command the game with their body against guys like Smart and Brown and Tatum I don't see often from fully developed NBA players.

Cade was out there looking a bit like idk who other to say than a non step back 3 version of Luka. Just got everywhere he wanted and it didn't matter who was on him and dishing out assits but also... in complete control of the game. We were forced to play the game at Cade's pace and couldn't change it. It was **** amazing.

[bstein14]

That is some bad (but not unexpected) shooting. Why does he get a pass from many casual fans for his percentages?

I think its opposite where casual fans would see it as more of a problem just stat watching.

Anybody who watches him leaves pretty impressed after at how advanced he is at his age as the #1 guy on his squad. He has a arsenal of moves as a 3 level scorer who commands alot of attention from defenses. Plus he also plays hard on defense all game.

His defence is quite good and he tries hard. But his red flag going into the league was he can't shoot. And he still can't shoot. 28% from 3 is not a three level scorer lol. 28% from 3 on 6 attempts per game is dumb. Look a little closer at his stats and he is basically a lite-Russell Westbrook on offense at this point. He has a ton of potential, but he is not good at this point.

That wasn't a red flag coming into the season at all. He was a 40% three point shooter in college. He shot 50% from deep in the summer league. He has shot 33% from three on the year and he started out the season horrible because he was injured for training camp and Preseason.

[zeebneeb]

That is some bad (but not unexpected) shooting. Why does he get a pass from many casual fans for his percentages?

I think its opposite where casual fans would see it as more of a problem just stat watching.

Anybody who watches him leaves pretty impressed after at how advanced he is at his age as the #1 guy on his squad. He has a arsenal of moves as a 3 level scorer who commands alot of attention from defenses. Plus he also plays hard on defense all game.

His defence is quite good and he tries hard. But his red flag going into the league was he can't shoot. And he still can't shoot. 28% from 3 is not a three level scorer lol. 28% from 3 on 6 attempts per game is dumb. Look a little closer at his stats and he is basically a lite-Russell Westbrook on offense at this point. He has a ton of potential, but he is not good at this point.

And this people, is why we watch the games. Use this as a lesson.

Good grief.

[tmorgan]

Anyone willing to type “Cade is not good” either doesn’t watch him play or is trolling. “Cade is not great, or not all-star level yet” is 100% fair, because he has a whole lot of things to work on. But c’mon.

[Snowwy]

I think its opposite where casual fans would see it as more of a problem just stat watching.

Anybody who watches him leaves pretty impressed after at how advanced he is at his age as the #1 guy on his squad. He has a arsenal of moves as a 3 level scorer who commands alot of attention from defenses. Plus he also plays hard on defense all game.

His defence is quite good and he tries hard. But his red flag going into the league was he can't shoot. And he still can't shoot. 28% from 3 is not a three level scorer lol. 28% from 3 on 6 attempts per game is dumb. Look a little closer at his stats and he is basically a lite-Russell Westbrook on offense at this point. He has a ton of potential, but he is not good at this point.

And this people, is why we watch the games. Use this as a lesson.

Good grief.

So you are saying that he is good this year? Or he has potential to be good?

Also, how many basketball games do you watch each year? I'm sure that you watch more Pistons games than I do, but I can almost certainly tell you that I watch more games than you do. The watch games arguement is so weak. He has the 3rd worst eFG% in the league.

[MotownMadness]

I think its opposite where casual fans would see it as more of a problem just stat watching.

Anybody who watches him leaves pretty impressed after at how advanced he is at his age as the #1 guy on his squad. He has a arsenal of moves as a 3 level scorer who commands alot of attention from defenses. Plus he also plays hard on defense all game.

His defence is quite good and he tries hard. But his red flag going into the league was he can't shoot. And he still can't shoot. 28% from 3 is not a three level scorer lol. 28% from 3 on 6 attempts per game is dumb. Look a little closer at his stats and he is basically a lite-Russell Westbrook on offense at this point. He has a ton of potential, but he is not good at this point.

And this people, is why we watch the games. Use this as a lesson.

Good grief.

Exactly, let's see if any coach is dumb enough to leave Cade wide open from 3 using that mindset.

[Snowwy]

His defence is quite good and he tries hard. But his red flag going into the league was he can't shoot. And he still can't shoot. 28% from 3 is not a three level scorer lol. 28% from 3 on 6 attempts per game is dumb. Look a little closer at his stats and he is basically a lite-Russell Westbrook on offense at this point. He has a ton of potential, but he is not good at this point.

And this people, is why we watch the games. Use this as a lesson.

Good grief.

Exactly, let's see if any coach is dumb enough to leave Cade wide open from 3 using that mindset.

Bro, he has the 3rd worst shooting stats in the league, essentially tied with Westbrook and Giddey. It is good to live in reality.

[Snowwy]

Anyone willing to type “Cade is not good” either doesn’t watch him play or is trolling. “Cade is not great, or not all-star level yet” is 100% fair, because he has a whole lot of things to work on. But c’mon.

Whoops, seems like that is exactly what I said. Check out post #14 and #17 (try to read all the words). I'll help you out, both posts say "he has a ton of potential".

[Michael Jackson]

Redraft:

1. Mobley
2. Barnes
3. Cade
4. Green
5. Giddey

1. Cade
2. Barnes
3. Mobley
4. Kuminga
5. Giddey
6. Wagner
7. Green
8. Sengun
9. Suggs
10. Donsunmu

I'm an Ayo fan for sure. You think he would go that high up on a redraft though? He has been awesome and reached potential but draft is about crazy high ceilings and I am not sure Ayo has that. he is obviously going to get better but he is a lower ceiling than a lot of those guys IMHO. That being said... Who does replace him, you know he is going to continue being a solid pro. Kid has heart and smarts and a great work ethic.

[MotownMadness]

And this people, is why we watch the games. Use this as a lesson.

Good grief.

Exactly, let's see if any coach is dumb enough to leave Cade wide open from 3 using that mindset.

Bro, he has the 3rd worst shooting stats in the league, essentially tied with Westbrook and Giddey. It is good to live in reality.

Dont care he is young and probably has one of the highest USG% in the league seeing as he literally does everything and will only get more efficient at everything he does as time goes on.

Go watch him before you join the eat some crow crew this late

Maybe even watch how focused teams are on him at all times. Im not gonna compare his advanced stats right now with anyone seeing as hes a rookie on the worst roster in the league at the moment.

Hes not just some guy camping in the corner taking open jumpers pumping up advanced stats, his role is do everything.

[ForeverTFC]

Since the all-star break:
Mobley: 15pts/9.6rbs/2.5ast/0.8steals/1.8blocks on 48.6% from the field and 23.1% from three
Barnes: 19pts/8.4rbs/3.3ast/1.9steals/1block on 57.5% from the field and 30% from three
Cade:22.3pts/7.5rbs/6ast/0.6stl/0.6blocks on 44.4% from the field and 28.8% from three

All three become stars the moment they get a respectable 3. Odds one of them doesn't do it before their rookie contract is up is super low imo.

Also, Jalen Green has been balling as well since the all-star break.

[Johnny Firpo]

He is going to be a superstar for sure, maybe not the type that will be a one-man offensive system, but more in the KG or Pippen mold?

[Snowwy]

Exactly, let's see if any coach is dumb enough to leave Cade wide open from 3 using that mindset.

Bro, he has the 3rd worst shooting stats in the league, essentially tied with Westbrook and Giddey. It is good to live in reality.

Dont care is he is young and probably has one of the highest USG% on the league seeing as he literally does everything and will only get more efficient at everything he does as time goes on.

Go watch him before you join the eat some crow crew this late

At this point there is nothing more to say. He isn't good (maybe we have different definitions of good). He will very likely be very good in a few years. He is a bad shooter - around Westbrook / Giddey levels and does not get to the line despite having a huge usage rate (thanks for pointing that one out). Once he figures that out, he will be an all-star maybe, but until he does, he is not a guy to lead your team to success. Note the Pistons record. Instead of telling me to watch more games (probably the weakest argument that exists - I will certainly say you likely watch more Piston games than I do, I have seen him 4 games this year, but I saw him probably 12/14 times in college), perhaps you can tell me why you think he will shoot at a better rate? 43% in college, 40% in the NBA. It kinda seems like that is who he is at this point of his career, but again, how is he a three level scorer? It kinda feels like you are throwing out your 2K terms or something. It just doesn't make sense.

[Maverick41]

Cade reminds me of Brandon Roy quite a bit. Just a smart and talented player that also shows a lot of leadership capability at such a young age. I have zero doubts that Cade will become a star in the very near future. He's special.