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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#801 » by HardenGoat » Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:33 pm

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Skates wrote:Five games in and Harden/Embiid had everyone claiming they broke the NBA with a cheat code (not counting the Harden-less loss in Miami), one loss, one tough game later and everyone is washed, the trade sucked, nothing will ever work, let's start the Process over. The team and fans are in part to blame for not letting the Simmons thing just go and making a wayyyy too big thing out of the Nets game weeks before it happened (I didn't even watch, it was not a hard to predict outcome, only game I was meh about watching all year). It's like some of the fans are as reactionary as SAS and other idiots on the networks that look for controversy to create.

The team was drastically changed at the deadline, total new way of things with Harden coming in and the guys we lost. Athletic teams, even less talented ones have given us trouble even in wins all year, and losing Drummond was a big loss defensively and athletically, don't let any DAJ stats fool you, it is a deep drop off.

We have been wing scarce/weak all season, nothing new there and teams with really good wings like the Celtics and Nets were not great matchups before or now. The team is teaching itself to be a team, there are four players on the roster capable of putting up 20 or close to it every night, and Maxey was balling out even before harden arrived, but still figuring out how to feed each of these guys game to game is a work in progress, as it always had to be. We are in a pseudo-training camp situation at the tired legs part of the season, trying to learn on the fly when everyone is a little tired, a little hurt, it will have ugly days and pretty ones.

Harden's stats are still incredible even after two rough shooting nights (he has always had those), the team doesn't have enough finishers to take advantage of his passing, which is insane, and he is not Harden of 3-4 years ago, but more point Harden who can extend his career Chris Paul style, and hopefully at a relative bargain since the overreaction around the league and his switching teams twice in two years plus his age and wanting to win likely drives his contract number down to something more manageable than the media are proclaiming. He isn't getting a full supermax, and no one else is giving him anything like that now. Harden's brand being a little tarnished is perfect for getting him into a workable deal for a player of his age and still high skill level this summer, one that allows for more team building as we go.

In other words, freaking relax, and if you were too hyped up for the Nets game, that was a silly thing to begin with.

The Nets game has to be appraised for how it unfolded. When you're up against a team that's clearly flipped a switch and kicked into another gear to beat you, there has to be some kind of counterpunch available, especially at home with the energy available from the crowd that night. There was no counterpunch for 48 minutes -- that's concerning.

If they'd have lost a close hard-fought game I'd have no concerns about it. But they were dominated and unable to flip a switch indicative of having some mettle as a team. It should make people wonder exactly who the players are who will provide that when it's needed in the playoffs, because nobody did that evening. That team didn't go down swinging -- it went down without a fight.

This is true. It’s what they have to find before the playoffs. If they don’t then they are not chip ready and have to do the necessary adjustments in the off-season to improve. It has to be figured out. Nets came in and between Durant and Irving they have a punchers chance to win it all even with Simmons out and the season being in disarray. Their downfall is Kyrie. Without him forget it. Teams will throw their focus on Durant and he won’t win the Kyrie less games. The load is too much, it took a 53 point career game to edge out the Knicks. They have to win every road game and I dont see that happening against the Bucks or Heat. The feather in their cap was this game this year. Let them have it.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#802 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:42 pm

Skates wrote:Five games in and Harden/Embiid had everyone claiming they broke the NBA with a cheat code (not counting the Harden-less loss in Miami), one loss, one tough game later and everyone is washed, the trade sucked, nothing will ever work, let's start the Process over. The team and fans are in part to blame for not letting the Simmons thing just go and making a wayyyy too big thing out of the Nets game weeks before it happened (I didn't even watch, it was not a hard to predict outcome, only game I was meh about watching all year). It's like some of the fans are as reactionary as SAS and other idiots on the networks that look for controversy to create.

The team was drastically changed at the deadline, total new way of things with Harden coming in and the guys we lost. Athletic teams, even less talented ones have given us trouble even in wins all year, and losing Drummond was a big loss defensively and athletically, don't let any DAJ stats fool you, it is a deep drop off.

We have been wing scarce/weak all season, nothing new there and teams with really good wings like the Celtics and Nets were not great matchups before or now. The team is teaching itself to be a team, there are four players on the roster capable of putting up 20 or close to it every night, and Maxey was balling out even before harden arrived, but still figuring out how to feed each of these guys game to game is a work in progress, as it always had to be. We are in a pseudo-training camp situation at the tired legs part of the season, trying to learn on the fly when everyone is a little tired, a little hurt, it will have ugly days and pretty ones.

Harden's stats are still incredible even after two rough shooting nights (he has always had those), the team doesn't have enough finishers to take advantage of his passing, which is insane, and he is not Harden of 3-4 years ago, but more point Harden who can extend his career Chris Paul style, and hopefully at a relative bargain since the overreaction around the league and his switching teams twice in two years plus his age and wanting to win likely drives his contract number down to something more manageable than the media are proclaiming. He isn't getting a full supermax, and no one else is giving him anything like that now. Harden's brand being a little tarnished is perfect for getting him into a workable deal for a player of his age and still high skill level this summer, one that allows for more team building as we go.

In other words, freaking relax, and if you were too hyped up for the Nets game, that was a silly thing to begin with.


The creat code thing was because Embiid and Harden were shooting the lights out, and refs were giving them many free throws. Once the shooting and the FT shooting return to normal, we are second round fodder again because Harden is washed up and Embiid is declining already too.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#803 » by DHM » Mon Mar 14, 2022 4:46 pm

Seeing a lot of Harden washed stuff No one really knows that for sure. I see he has a wrap around his calf. If your calf hurts that certainly does cut down on your explosiveness obviously.
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Post#804 » by Ferry Avenue » Mon Mar 14, 2022 5:40 pm

Bum Adebayo wrote:
Skates wrote:Five games in and Harden/Embiid had everyone claiming they broke the NBA with a cheat code (not counting the Harden-less loss in Miami), one loss, one tough game later and everyone is washed, the trade sucked, nothing will ever work, let's start the Process over. The team and fans are in part to blame for not letting the Simmons thing just go and making a wayyyy too big thing out of the Nets game weeks before it happened (I didn't even watch, it was not a hard to predict outcome, only game I was meh about watching all year). It's like some of the fans are as reactionary as SAS and other idiots on the networks that look for controversy to create.

The team was drastically changed at the deadline, total new way of things with Harden coming in and the guys we lost. Athletic teams, even less talented ones have given us trouble even in wins all year, and losing Drummond was a big loss defensively and athletically, don't let any DAJ stats fool you, it is a deep drop off.

We have been wing scarce/weak all season, nothing new there and teams with really good wings like the Celtics and Nets were not great matchups before or now. The team is teaching itself to be a team, there are four players on the roster capable of putting up 20 or close to it every night, and Maxey was balling out even before harden arrived, but still figuring out how to feed each of these guys game to game is a work in progress, as it always had to be. We are in a pseudo-training camp situation at the tired legs part of the season, trying to learn on the fly when everyone is a little tired, a little hurt, it will have ugly days and pretty ones.

Harden's stats are still incredible even after two rough shooting nights (he has always had those), the team doesn't have enough finishers to take advantage of his passing, which is insane, and he is not Harden of 3-4 years ago, but more point Harden who can extend his career Chris Paul style, and hopefully at a relative bargain since the overreaction around the league and his switching teams twice in two years plus his age and wanting to win likely drives his contract number down to something more manageable than the media are proclaiming. He isn't getting a full supermax, and no one else is giving him anything like that now. Harden's brand being a little tarnished is perfect for getting him into a workable deal for a player of his age and still high skill level this summer, one that allows for more team building as we go.

In other words, freaking relax, and if you were too hyped up for the Nets game, that was a silly thing to begin with.


The creat code thing was because Embiid and Harden were shooting the lights out, and refs were giving them many free throws. Once the shooting and the FT shooting return to normal, we are second round fodder again because Harden is washed up and Embiid is declining already too.

The most unsustainable thing from that time period was Maxey's 70% shooting from beyond the arc, which since and including the Miami game has plummeted to a far more expected 32%.
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Post#805 » by 76ciology » Mon Mar 21, 2022 2:10 pm

Harden fans..

I notice Harden’s face have a lot of rashes. Is this natural?

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Post#806 » by Ksny13 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:46 am

76ciology wrote:Harden fans..

I notice Harden’s face have a lot of rashes. Is this natural?



That's a new thing within the last year and a half.
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Post#807 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:20 am

Not good in my opinion that Harden wasn't on the sideline for the win last night. Notice the difference between a present and highly involved Joel Embiid and the complete absence of Harden. And for me that's not about some PC "optics" nonsense -- it's about the far deeper and more meaningful issue of being dedicated and committed to the team.

Again this is a team that's developing cohesion and an identity as we speak, and games like last night's are milestones in that regard. That was a game in which the Sixers' bench exclaimed "hey -- we can contribute too -- give us a shot," and Tyrese Maxey said "I'm a budding star in this league -- you can trust me in the clutch." And Embiid was visibly excited by that -- why? -- because he's highly emotionally invested in this team. Harden needed to be there to take part as well. Everybody needs to be on board and rowing the same direction for team cohesion and unity to take shape. Again this is the stuff that distinguishes teams from each other in the advanced rounds of the playoffs, where talent is roughly equal.

Harden's impact on this team has always hinged on how dedicated to it he is, and when he first showed up he appeared highly dedicated, "coaching" Maxey and others from the sideline, which has continued on as he has played as well. Can't figure why he wouldn't be on the sideline in support of his teammates against the conference #1 seed. Does he have better things to do than support the team that's paying him millions of dollars and the teammates who have his back night in night out? Here we are fighting our asses off to beat the conference #1 seed while giving you a rest, and you're nowhere in support of us. If that's a measure of Harden's dedication to the team, he's scoring very low on that measure.

No single game carries a tremendous amount of meaning, but for a team in developmental flux, these experiences are important in its evolution in a positive direction. For a "finished" team like Phoenix or Milwaukee it would be less important.

Unfortunately in my opinion questions still remain about whether James Harden has the kind of character to lead a team to an NBA championship. Last night's absence certainly isn't consistent with that.
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Post#808 » by Negrodamus » Tue Mar 22, 2022 1:04 pm

James could have been doing a family thing for all we know. This rah-rah, you need to constantly be there for the team thing is nonsense.
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Post#809 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:06 pm

Well atleast Harden doesnt have to lie that he can be at the game because he has mental health problems

..or back problems
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Post#810 » by agiaco » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:45 pm

Negrodamus wrote:James could have been doing a family thing for all we know. This rah-rah, you need to constantly be there for the team thing is nonsense.


I think that's valid for most other players, but I agree with Ferry when it comes to James. Look at Joel vs. absent Harden. It's completely understandable to question the difference in dedication to the team.
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Post#811 » by Negrodamus » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:05 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:James could have been doing a family thing for all we know. This rah-rah, you need to constantly be there for the team thing is nonsense.


I think that's valid for most other players, but I agree with Ferry when it comes to James. Look at Joel vs. absent Harden. It's completely understandable to question the difference in dedication to the team.


Harden flew to Milwaukee while he was still injured for team chemistry issues. I know how the optics look when there is absolutely zero context, so I'm withholding judgement.
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Post#812 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 22, 2022 4:24 pm

Negrodamus wrote:
agiaco wrote:
Negrodamus wrote:James could have been doing a family thing for all we know. This rah-rah, you need to constantly be there for the team thing is nonsense.


I think that's valid for most other players, but I agree with Ferry when it comes to James. Look at Joel vs. absent Harden. It's completely understandable to question the difference in dedication to the team.


Harden flew to Milwaukee while he was still injured for team chemistry issues. I know how the optics look when there is absolutely zero context, so I'm withholding judgement.

It's too bad his history isn't consistent with giving him the benefit of the doubt.
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Post#813 » by Negrodamus » Tue Mar 22, 2022 5:18 pm

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Negrodamus wrote:
agiaco wrote:
I think that's valid for most other players, but I agree with Ferry when it comes to James. Look at Joel vs. absent Harden. It's completely understandable to question the difference in dedication to the team.


Harden flew to Milwaukee while he was still injured for team chemistry issues. I know how the optics look when there is absolutely zero context, so I'm withholding judgement.

It's too bad his history isn't consistent with giving him the benefit of the doubt.


Well, then I'm terribly concerned about the health of our team and Joel Embiid's championship window because.... James Harden didn't make the game last night. When we look back on this team, we'll definitely look at the night James didn't come to the game.
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Post#814 » by Embiid P » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:09 pm

Was his absence from the team last night ever explained by Rivers, etc.? Just for the sake of quelling public suspicion if nothing else.
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Post#815 » by mjkvol » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:48 pm

Talk about much ado about nothing. All this rah-rah mental stuff is for high school and college ball - these are professionals that for the moment are under contract to the Sixers. Please stop with the psychological mumbo jumbo.

Guaranteed not a single Sixers player is bent out of shape over Harden not being on the sideline and root-root-rooting for the home team last night. Harden has established himself as a leader and mentor where it counts - on the court in practice and games.
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Post#816 » by Ksny13 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 6:52 pm

I'm a little worried about that calf and hamstring. It would be wise to get him 5-6 days rest prior to the start of the playoffs. He looks like he's favoring that leg again. The lift on his shot doesn't appear to be the same especially on his step back 3. He needs to use more midrange and floaters which without a lob threat his floater gets diminished so using one of the young bouncy bigs would be ideal with JH when Embid sits.
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Post#817 » by stormi » Wed Mar 23, 2022 1:52 am

Agree with the above. With us pretty much locked into a seed ranging from 2-4, how many games do y'all think Embiid and Harden should play?

I'd personally prefer them to play like 5 more games max, but I think Embiid is going to push hard for that MVP so he's going to play. The game vs the Bucks on the 29th is going to be huge for both Embiid and Giannis to claim MVP frontrunner with a big showing. The Bucks got Lopez back so him and Giannis are going to be battering Jo, but I feel like Joel usually plays the Bucks fairly well.

This couldn't be a more difficult team to try and predict though. Let's see what happens.

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Post#818 » by mjkvol » Wed Mar 23, 2022 2:10 am

stormi wrote:Agree with the above. With us pretty much locked into a seed ranging from 2-4, how many games do y'all think Embiid and Harden should play?

I'd personally prefer them to play like 5 more games max, but I think Embiid is going to push hard for that MVP so he's going to play. The game vs the Bucks on the 29th is going to be huge for both Embiid and Giannis to claim MVP frontrunner with a big showing. The Bucks got Lopez back so him and Giannis are going to be battering Jo, but I feel like Joel usually plays the Bucks fairly well.

This couldn't be a more difficult team to try and predict though. Let's see what happens.

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vs Pacers - 04/09
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Problem is the Embiid wants the MVP and Glenn is hell bent on going for the 1 seed.

Both should sit out the Piston finale and one end of the CHA/CLE B2B, but although I'd prefer for each to sit at least 3-4 games, I don't see Glenn sitting them any more.
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Post#819 » by Foshan » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:53 am

mjkvol wrote:Talk about much ado about nothing. All this rah-rah mental stuff is for high school and college ball - these are professionals that for the moment are under contract to the Sixers. Please stop with the psychological mumbo jumbo.

Guaranteed not a single Sixers player is bent out of shape over Harden not being on the sideline and root-root-rooting for the home team last night. Harden has established himself as a leader and mentor where it counts - on the court in practice and games.


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Post#820 » by brannigan73 » Wed Mar 23, 2022 5:05 am

Harden probably averaged at least 40 minutes a game in the the last 4 or 5 games before the Heat game which is way too much and Rivers fault. Also, this roster is flawed and that's not James Hardens fault. They need more guys that are comfortable shooting spot up threes and more importantly making them. Enough with the nonsense some are already starting about Harden we were lucky to get him for Bum Simmons. Even great players can have bad games for instance embiid was wretched against the raptors and gets a free pass James has a couple mediocre scoring games after Glenn ran him into the ground minutes wise and the clown car is at maximum capacity of clowns in second criticizing him lol

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