James Wiseman 2021/2022

[Big J]

Kuminga’s got freaking steeze too. The kid is smooth as hell. Whereas Wiseman seems like he has that Dwight corniness about him.

[clyde21]

there are two major problems with Wiseman

1) he has no clue what he is. he thinks he should be Kevin Durant when he should be playing much more like Deandre Ayton. it seems like he still doesn't understand this. we're don't have him overdribbling. we don't even really need or want him taking too many outside shots. and it's not like he's that good at either of these things, either.

2) his archetype still doesn't make any sense in this scheme/offense. it's cool having a guy that big off the bench when you need him in specific matchups, but paint clogging bigs that have to be spoonfed the ball and can't help run an inside-out offense are terrible fits here. otherwise there was never a need to bet big on a guy like this in the draft, and now we're caught between a rock and a hard place with him.

not sure what the coaches have been doing with him either. they should be stressing rim protection, rebounding and screen setting. that's it. that's all what he should be doing at this point.

[The-Power]

/shrug It's the G-League.

Both Kuminga and Moody played like they're #1 guys with the G-League as well, and in Kuminga's case, he was an inefficient scorer in the role.

If Wiseman is forcing self-created shots with the NBA club, it's definitely a problem. Can't tell either way until he gets that time with the big club though. FWIW, Wiseman's post-game comments talked about how he wants to work on his passing and focus on his defense and rebounding, so he's saying the right things at least.

This. Let's wait and see what Wiseman does this year with the big boys, shall we. The G-League stint is to get him some run and none of our Rookies have played in the G-League the way they play with GSW. Moody became the go-to option, and Kuminga flat-out sucked when he had to play in Santa Cruz and had horrible efficiency last season because he tried to showcase his skills.

I also don't want Wiseman to constantly post up, take tough jumpers or dribble the ball more than once. But we don't know yet if that is going to happen this season and two G-League games – specifically meant to have him play competitive basketball – is definitely nothing to judge him by. That's just actively looking for something to complain about.

So how about we talk about how he looked – timing, awareness, rebounding, hands, athleticism, strength, fluidity, shot mechanics – instead of being focused on his role on an entirely different team where he played for a very different reason. We can talk about that a couple games into his actual NBA season, don't worry. I swear, some in the anti-Wiseman crowd can't even wait until he actually sucks for us this season before they re-start their campaign.

[Big J]

there are two major problems with Wiseman

1) he has no clue what he is. he thinks he should be Kevin Durant when he should be playing much more like Deandre Ayton. it seems like he still doesn't understand this. we're don't have him overdribbling. we don't even really need or want him taking too many outside shots. and it's not like he's that good at either of these things, either.

2) his archetype still doesn't make any sense in this scheme/offense. it's cool having a guy that big off the bench when you need him in specific matchups, but paint clogging bigs that have to be spoonfed the ball and can't help run an inside-out offense are terrible fits here. otherwise there was never a need to bet big on a guy like this in the draft, and now we're caught between a rock and a hard place with him.

not sure what the coaches have been doing with him either. they should be stressing rim protection, rebounding and screen setting. that's it. that's all what he should be doing at this point.

I think he’s blowing the coaches off man. He’s a head case who had to be told to get off of social media last year because it was affecting him so much. You could also see in his demeanor how personally he takes criticism.

[The-Power]

not sure what the coaches have been doing with him either. they should be stressing rim protection, rebounding and screen setting. that's it. that's all what he should be doing at this point.

Who said they haven't? Because he did some other things in a G-League game in which he participated for the sole reason of getting him some competitive experiences? I've actually watched him and there is no doubt that he was focused on rebounding, setting screens, and protecting the paint. He just also happened to do some other things on offense – which doesn't matter, until and unless he does it on the main team. If he does, feel free to start complaining and I'll join in. But let's at least wait for him to a play an actual NBA game this season before we talk about how he hasn't changed his approach and the coaches let him get away with it. That's just premature confirmation bias.

[The-Power]

I think he’s blowing the coaches off man. He’s a head case who had to be told to get off of social media last year because it was affecting him so much. You could also see in his demeanor how personally he takes criticism.

Jesus Christ. This has to be one of the worst posts I've read in a while. You have a serious problem with your constant judgement of character from afar based on random, stupid things and you seem to not even realize that even after being called out on it. It's Cade Cunningham all over again.

[GSWFan1994]

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[SpreeChokeJob]

I don’t know why people keep on bringing up Kuminga sucking in the G league. He sucked mainly because he didn’t want to be there versus sucking because he wasn’t really that good. There’s a distinction.

Kuminga should have used the reps down there instead of acting like a pouty child, but he was 19 so he gets a pass.

[clyde21]

not sure what the coaches have been doing with him either. they should be stressing rim protection, rebounding and screen setting. that's it. that's all what he should be doing at this point.

Who said they haven't? Because he did some other things in a G-League game in which he participated for the sole reason of getting him some competitive experiences? I've actually watched him and there is no doubt that he was focused on rebounding, setting screens, and protecting the paint. He just also happened to do some other things on offense – which doesn't matter, until and unless he does it on the main team. If he does, feel free to start complaining and I'll join in. But let's at least wait for him to a play an actual NBA game this season before we talk about how he hasn't changed his approach and the coaches let him get away with it. That's just premature confirmation bias.

why is your opinion not confirmation bias?

[Big J]

I think he’s blowing the coaches off man. He’s a head case who had to be told to get off of social media last year because it was affecting him so much. You could also see in his demeanor how personally he takes criticism.

Jesus Christ. This has to be one of the worst posts I've read in a while. You have a serious problem with your constant judgement of character from afar based on random, stupid things and you seem to not even realize that even after being called out on it. It's Cade Cunningham all over again.

Yea, except the Kerr social media ban was an actual thing that happened. Plus you could literally see the disappointment on his face when he’d get sent to the bench. These things are well known and documented.

[Samurai]

I think he’s blowing the coaches off man. He’s a head case who had to be told to get off of social media last year because it was affecting him so much. You could also see in his demeanor how personally he takes criticism.

Jesus Christ. This has to be one of the worst posts I've read in a while. You have a serious problem with your constant judgement of character from afar based on random, stupid things and you seem to not even realize that even after being called out on it. It's Cade Cunningham all over again.

Yea, except the Kerr social media ban was an actual thing that happened. Plus you could literally see the disappointment on his face when he’d get sent to the bench. These things are well known and documented.

And the most egregious part of this is that Wiseman was pretty much the only 19 year old to pay any attention to social media. Being such an outlier should be a huge concern. And Wiseman specifically stated he was disappointed at being pulled in yesterday's game when he hit his minutes restriction because he loved being on the court so much; anyone who loves playing is clearly displaying the wrong attitude and should be appropriately chastised.

[Big J]

Mental toughness is a real thing. Players sniff out weaknesses like hound dogs and exploit it over and over. Why do you think Luka does the too small/ can’t guard me thing? He’s testing guys masculinity.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Just star with being JaVale McGee and then expand your game from there.
2017 Playoffs JaVale McGee had winshare per 48 numbers that were all time elite. Winshare per 48 loves high volume efficient scoring and JaVale was doing that but it was the great Warriors offense and the passing of Draymond, Steph and Andre that was making JaVale look great. Another surprising All time winshares per 48 playoff great was Chris Birdman Anderson with the big 3 Heat and Birdman was playing a very similar role to 2017 JaVale. Defenses could not focus on Birdman or JaVale because of the other great scorers and Both the Champion Heat and the Warriors had good passers.

JaVale was one of my favorite dunkers because I loved his adjustments in flight when the lob pass waa off the mark. JaVale had very good hands for catching and controling an off the mark lob pass with one hand. I don't know if Wiseman's hands are as good as JaVale's but if they are as good as JaVale I know the rest of Wiseman's speed and body control are even better than JaVale's. Even if Wiseman bobbles a bad pass that JaVale would have caught for this year I just want Wiseman to be JaVale on offense.

The big question is whether Wiseman can be JaVale on defense. Some people claim JaVale missed coverages and did not play smart defense but that is not how I saw JaVale. There is a story about a minutes limitation with JaVale due to asthmatic condition. I did not see JaVale fading when playing for long stretches. i concede thatbZaza was probablyna better screen setter than JaVale and a better box out man than JaVale but I am standing by my opinion that Kerr should have given JaVale more of Zaza's minutes and mynopinion that JaVale was a significantly better player than Zaza. Maybe I am wrong and Kerr was right and JaVale was just flashier than Zaza.

Anyway if Wiseman can be JaVale and Draymond gets healthy then the Warriors should win the chamionship even if Adre Iguodala is unplayable.

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

Mental toughness is a real thing. Players sniff out weaknesses like hound dogs and exploit it over and over. Why do you think Luka does the too small/ can’t guard me thing? He’s testing guys masculinity.

If size equals masculinity then I am a girly man.
I can open the pickle jars and lift heavy furniture, but Luka could easily shoot over me.

[SF_Warriors]

Not sure if he can contribute anything at all in the POs. 15 games to get acclimated to the team and speed of the nba is not a lot of time for a 20 year old with such little experience. I say we just need to get him healthy through training camp and PS for next year.

[Big J]

Mental toughness is a real thing. Players sniff out weaknesses like hound dogs and exploit it over and over. Why do you think Luka does the too small/ can’t guard me thing? He’s testing guys masculinity.

If size equals masculinity then I am a girly man.
I can open the pickle jars and lift heavy furniture, but Luka could easily shoot over me.

No, he’s testing guys to see how they react to it.

[The-Power]

not sure what the coaches have been doing with him either. they should be stressing rim protection, rebounding and screen setting. that's it. that's all what he should be doing at this point.

Who said they haven't? Because he did some other things in a G-League game in which he participated for the sole reason of getting him some competitive experiences? I've actually watched him and there is no doubt that he was focused on rebounding, setting screens, and protecting the paint. He just also happened to do some other things on offense – which doesn't matter, until and unless he does it on the main team. If he does, feel free to start complaining and I'll join in. But let's at least wait for him to a play an actual NBA game this season before we talk about how he hasn't changed his approach and the coaches let him get away with it. That's just premature confirmation bias.

why is your opinion not confirmation bias?

Because I don't have an opinion on how Wiseman has (not) improved or (not) changed over the course of his recovery? I'm waiting to actually see him on the court for the main team for some time. My comment on the screen setting, rebounding and rim protection is based on his two G-League games and it's strictly limited to that. You, on the other hand, seem to already question the work of the coaches and project his approach with the main team – and that's just premature and based solely on the opinion you already had on him.

[clyde21]

Who said they haven't? Because he did some other things in a G-League game in which he participated for the sole reason of getting him some competitive experiences? I've actually watched him and there is no doubt that he was focused on rebounding, setting screens, and protecting the paint. He just also happened to do some other things on offense – which doesn't matter, until and unless he does it on the main team. If he does, feel free to start complaining and I'll join in. But let's at least wait for him to a play an actual NBA game this season before we talk about how he hasn't changed his approach and the coaches let him get away with it. That's just premature confirmation bias.

why is your opinion not confirmation bias?

Because I don't have an opinion on how Wiseman has (not) improved or (not) changed over the course of his recovery? I'm waiting to actually see him on the court for the main team for some time. My comment on the screen setting, rebounding and rim protection is based on his two G-League games and it's strictly limited to that. You, on the other hand, seem to already question the work of the coaches and project his approach with the main team – and that's just premature and based solely on the opinion you already had on him.

i said nothing about him improving or not improving, everything I've said is about his natural archetype as a player and what he SHOULD be focusing almost exclusively for the foreseeable future

[The-Power]

I think he’s blowing the coaches off man. He’s a head case who had to be told to get off of social media last year because it was affecting him so much. You could also see in his demeanor how personally he takes criticism.

Jesus Christ. This has to be one of the worst posts I've read in a while. You have a serious problem with your constant judgement of character from afar based on random, stupid things and you seem to not even realize that even after being called out on it. It's Cade Cunningham all over again.

Yea, except the Kerr social media ban was an actual thing that happened. Plus you could literally see the disappointment on his face when he’d get sent to the bench. These things are well known and documented.

First of all, it wasn't a ‘ban’ – it was something Kerr suggested both of them try out. And just because he struggled to deal with the Social Media frenzy and because he ‘looked disappointed’ when subbed out, you conclude that ‘he's blowing off coaches’ and is a ‘head case’. The fact that you believe that based on these two observations (one of them misconstrued) you can make such sweeping generalizations is exactly my point. That you cannot even see the problem in that despite being called out on it many times just goes to show your complete lack of maturity and ability to reflect.

[The-Power]

i said nothing about him improving or not improving, everything I've see is about his natural archetype as a player and what he SHOULD be focusing almost exclusively for the foreseeable future

I actually agree with your points on what he should focus on. I just took your comment that “not sure what the coaches have been doing with him either” as criticism of the coaches that worked with Wiseman during his recovery, and I wanted to point out that we won't see the results until he played some actual NBA games (not two warm-up G-League games). If I misinterpreted your comment then that's my bad, and I'll gladly acknowledge that my points shouldn't have been addressed to you specifically.