College/Draft thread. Knicks Currently have Picks 12 and 45

[nyk2017]

If the lotto gods give us the 4th pick and Giddey's growth opens OKC up to moving SGA before they have to pay him; who's giving up a package built around Ivey for SGA?

Again, teams are not trading young superstars that are under control for 4-5 years unless the player forces a trade.

[TerrenceClarke]

Good example of TyTy’s shot making ability…

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Good example of TyTy’s playmaking ability out of the PnR…

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What I like about TyTy is that I noticed he is extremely competitive and fiery. He plays very passionately and we lack passion in our starting line up. Our players are pretty dull if you ask me. TyTy seems very intense. RJ is intense, but he is not as passionate if that makes sense what I'm saying.

TyTy is a Scorpio so you can see the passion with the intensity oozing out of him.

[cgf]

If the lotto gods give us the 4th pick and Giddey's growth opens OKC up to moving SGA before they have to pay him; who's giving up a package built around Ivey for SGA?

Again, teams are not trading young superstars that are under control for 4-5 years unless the player forces a trade.

...you're kinda missing the point of a hypothetical question...

[2010]

Good example of TyTy’s shot making ability…

Watch on YouTube

Good example of TyTy’s playmaking ability out of the PnR…

Watch on YouTube

What I like about TyTy is that I noticed he is extremely competitive and fiery. He plays very passionately and we lack passion in our starting line up. Our players are pretty dull if you ask me. TyTy seems very intense. RJ is intense, but he is not as passionate if that makes sense what I'm saying.

TyTy is a Scorpio so you can see the passion with the intensity oozing out of him.

Yeah, he def got that fire in his belly. Kid is gonna be a gamer. Like you’ve been saying, these Kentucky guards show their full bag when they hit the NBA, in a league with better spacing and a pro game that features more individuality.

It’s wild to me how if we don’t move up, people wanna pass over a quality guard in the lottery again to take another wing when we already have RJ, Grimes, Cam, and still haven’t gotten rid of Fournier and Burks. We can’t keep ignoring the PG position forever.

[TheGreenArrow]

Berman says we want Ivey or Jabari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[WargamesX]

Berman says we want Ivey or Jabari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That makes sense… now let’s win the lottery and draft one of them

[nyk2017]

If the lotto gods give us the 4th pick and Giddey's growth opens OKC up to moving SGA before they have to pay him; who's giving up a package built around Ivey for SGA?

Again, teams are not trading young superstars that are under control for 4-5 years unless the player forces a trade.

...you're kinda missing the point of a hypothetical question...

Well... if we are going to get hypothetical and unrealistic, then why not build a package for Doncic, Maront, Trae. Why settle for SGA.

[cgf]

Again, teams are not trading young superstars that are under control for 4-5 years unless the player forces a trade.

...you're kinda missing the point of a hypothetical question...

Well... if we are going to get hypothetical and unrealistic, then why not build a package for Doncic, Maront, Trae. Why settle for SGA.

Because OKC could be hesitent about paying SGA what he wants if they think Giddey is going to be their primary ballhandler. That's not even a possibility with Dallas, Memphis, and Atlanta.

[knickstape4ever]

Berman says we want Ivey or Jabari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where he say that?

At least it's something the Knicks and I agree on. Jabari and Ivey are 1 and 1a for me. keep going back and forth

the bright side of Jabari is that Julius would clearly be traded.....and if we could land a mid-late lotto pick for Randle, we could get TyTy too.....


.....but this is all a moot point if we can't improve our odds. right now our odds aren't good (17.3% due to tie w/ NO)

if the Knicks were really smart, they'd actually tank. can't afford for the Lakers (pick to MEM or NO) or Wizards to pass us in the tank standings. sit Julius, since he hit his games played incentive

[nyk2017]

...you're kinda missing the point of a hypothetical question...

Well... if we are going to get hypothetical and unrealistic, then why not build a package for Doncic, Maront, Trae. Why settle for SGA.

Because OKC could be hesitent about paying SGA what he wants if they think Giddey is going to be their primary ballhandler. That's not even a possibility with Dallas, Memphis, and Atlanta.

Neither SGA nor Giddey will be FA until 2025 at the very earliest. They aren’t trading SGA unless they are certain that Giddey will become a huge superstar. Even if that happens, they could easily sign both to max contracts. SGA being traded this summer is just as unlilikely as Dallas, Memphis or Atlanta trading their star players. In fact, if Giddey becomes an All-Star, then OKC would trade some of their 10 million FRPs to acquire 1-2 superstars.

[nyk2017]

I have a feeling that if the Knicks can secure a bottom ten record, the NBA could look at us favorably in terms of how the draft order shakes out...

The Knicks got so much positive press last year for being a hardworking playoff team, imagine if there was actual elite young talent at MSG getting fans excited for the future and keeping the media coverage glowing.

I mean, the NBA put the Knicks on 29 nationally televised games this year following last year's success. Shows they were interested in putting us in front of more fans but obviously we failed those expectations this season. Maybe the draft order will work out for us.

Iono if it’s NBA rig-jobs or lottery gods but the Knicks are definitely due for moving up on lottery night for once.

If the NBA is going to rig a draft in favor of the Knicks, it should be the 2023 draft. We need a PG and Scoot Henderson is the one the league should want us to get.

[TheGreenArrow]

Berman says we want Ivey or Jabari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where he say that?

At least it's something the Knicks and I agree on. Jabari and Ivey are 1 and 1a for me. keep going back and forth

the bright side of Jabari is that Julius would clearly be traded.....and if we could land a mid-late lotto pick for Randle, we could get TyTy too.....


.....but this is all a moot point if we can't improve our odds. right now our odds aren't good (17.3% due to tie w/ NO)

if the Knicks were really smart, they'd actually tank. can't afford for the Lakers (pick to MEM or NO) or Wizards to pass us in the tank standings. sit Julius, since he hit his games played incentive

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[Marty McFly]

Berman says we want Ivey or Jabari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

which means Chet will turn into KD part II.

[nyk2017]

If we are drafting in the 6-8 range and can’t move up, then our FO would be smart to trade that draft pick, IQ and Deuce along with salary cap fillers for Dejonte Murray. San Antonio needs a lots of young players and we desperately need a PG. We may need to add another FRP as well. We would then resign Mitchell. Starting 5 of Murray, RJ, Reddish, Randle and Mitchell would be decent. Fournier, Rose, Grimes, Sims of the bench would be decent. Maybe good enough for #7-10 seed. Of course our FO is not creative enough or has the know how to pull off such a move. It is likely, we will move from 8 spot to 11 spot and add 3 SRPs.

[cgf]

Well... if we are going to get hypothetical and unrealistic, then why not build a package for Doncic, Maront, Trae. Why settle for SGA.

Because OKC could be hesitent about paying SGA what he wants if they think Giddey is going to be their primary ballhandler. That's not even a possibility with Dallas, Memphis, and Atlanta.

Neither SGA nor Giddey will be FA until 2025 at the very earliest. They aren’t trading SGA unless they are certain that Giddey will become a huge superstar. Even if that happens, they could easily sign both to max contracts. SGA being traded this summer is just as unlilikely as Dallas, Memphis or Atlanta trading their star players. In fact, if Giddey becomes an All-Star, then OKC would trade some of their 10 million FRPs to acquire 1-2 superstars.

SGA has a max extension that kicks in next season. He's no longer a cheap young kid and you would think that he's going to want to start competing sooner than later. Whereas if OKC likes Giddey more as the primary ballhandler, they may want to work more on his timeline than SGA's.

...especially if they have any reservations about paying SGA the 170M he is due over the next 5 years. In which case they might quietly see what kind of a bounty they could pull for him, and in this hypothetical scenario where we have the 4th overall pick, that pick plus a FRP in each of the next two drafts, isn't a nothing offer.

It's all super unlikely, but I was curious how high people where on Ivey & SGA, so I proposed a hypothetical that would test that.


With you on Murray, if SAS entertains any offers I'd be just as quick to jump on him as I would be SGA. He may not do as much for our spacing as SGA would, but Murray would be a huge help to our perimeter defense...even with Evan in the starting lineup...and our offense should run a lot more smoothly than it is atm.

[moocow007]

Berman says we want Ivey or Jabari!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Berman going out on a limb as always?

[moocow007]

If we are drafting in the 6-8 range and can’t move up, then our FO would be smart to trade that draft pick, IQ and Deuce along with salary cap fillers for Dejonte Murray. San Antonio needs a lots of young players and we desperately need a PG. We may need to add another FRP as well. We would then resign Mitchell. Starting 5 of Murray, RJ, Reddish, Randle and Mitchell would be decent. Fournier, Rose, Grimes, Sims of the bench would be decent. Maybe good enough for #7-10 seed. Of course our FO is not creative enough or has the know how to pull off such a move. It is likely, we will move from 8 spot to 11 spot and add 3 SRPs.

If the Spurs were willing, absolutely. Not sure the Spurs would be willing. But if they are I would be if I were the Knicks. Murray is a triple double machine and will fit in well on both ends. We're talking about a 25 year old all-star caliber 6'4"-6'5" PG that is averaging 20ppg/9apg/8rpg/2spg despite playing on a team that is even less talented than the Knicks and that can play on both ends of the floor.

[WargamesX]

If we are drafting in the 6-8 range and can’t move up, then our FO would be smart to trade that draft pick, IQ and Deuce along with salary cap fillers for Dejonte Murray. San Antonio needs a lots of young players and we desperately need a PG. We may need to add another FRP as well. We would then resign Mitchell. Starting 5 of Murray, RJ, Reddish, Randle and Mitchell would be decent. Fournier, Rose, Grimes, Sims of the bench would be decent. Maybe good enough for #7-10 seed. Of course our FO is not creative enough or has the know how to pull off such a move. It is likely, we will move from 8 spot to 11 spot and add 3 SRPs.

If the Spurs were willing, absolutely. Not sure the Spurs would be willing. But if they are I would be if I were the Knicks. Murray is a triple double machine and will fit in well on both ends. We're talking about a 25 year old all-star 6'4"-6'5" PG that is averaging 20ppg/9apg/8rpg/2spg guy that can play on both ends of the floor.

I don’t think the Spurs do this and why wouldn’t they ask for RJ back? The only reason they do this is if the Knicks pull a 1-4 pick.

[moocow007]

If we are drafting in the 6-8 range and can’t move up, then our FO would be smart to trade that draft pick, IQ and Deuce along with salary cap fillers for Dejonte Murray. San Antonio needs a lots of young players and we desperately need a PG. We may need to add another FRP as well. We would then resign Mitchell. Starting 5 of Murray, RJ, Reddish, Randle and Mitchell would be decent. Fournier, Rose, Grimes, Sims of the bench would be decent. Maybe good enough for #7-10 seed. Of course our FO is not creative enough or has the know how to pull off such a move. It is likely, we will move from 8 spot to 11 spot and add 3 SRPs.

If the Spurs were willing, absolutely. Not sure the Spurs would be willing. But if they are I would be if I were the Knicks. Murray is a triple double machine and will fit in well on both ends. We're talking about a 25 year old all-star 6'4"-6'5" PG that is averaging 20ppg/9apg/8rpg/2spg guy that can play on both ends of the floor.

I don’t think the Spurs do this and why wouldn’t they ask for RJ back? The only reason they do this is if the Knicks pull a 1-4 pick.

Yeah don't disagree. I don't see the Spurs taking this but hey if they were crazy to do it, bring it on.

[nyk2017]

If the Spurs were willing, absolutely. Not sure the Spurs would be willing. But if they are I would be if I were the Knicks. Murray is a triple double machine and will fit in well on both ends. We're talking about a 25 year old all-star 6'4"-6'5" PG that is averaging 20ppg/9apg/8rpg/2spg guy that can play on both ends of the floor.

I don’t think the Spurs do this and why wouldn’t they ask for RJ back? The only reason they do this is if the Knicks pull a 1-4 pick.

Yeah don't disagree. I don't see the Spurs taking this but hey if they were crazy to do it, bring it on.

We could add in the Dallas FRP. That would be 2 FRPs, Quickely, Duece. I say trade the pick if outside the top 5. This is a weaker draft and if we aren't getting Jabari, Chet, Panchero, Ivey or Sharpe then no one else is enticing enough to pick up.