Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[JimmyTheKid]

"We might get a 2nd for Love" is the new "The Love pick motivated Rodgers to play better."

[Ron Swanson]

"A rookie Patrick Queen or Tee Higgins would have definitely won us the last two Super Bowls". Both sides have come up with some really dumb arguments.

[ReddRum]

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[M-C-G]

"We might get a 2nd for Love" is the new "The Love pick motivated Rodgers to play better."

Which is just the new 'anyone with a brain could see a 36 year old Rodgers clearly had two MVP seasons in front of him, obviously'

[JimmyTheKid]

"A rookie Patrick Queen or Tee Higgins would have definitely won us the last two Super Bowls". Both sides have come up with some really dumb arguments.

Naming specific players was always dumb as we have no idea where the Packers ranked particular prospects in that draft. I personally have never claimed "we'd have another Super Bowl if player A was chosen instead of Love" as that is such a ridiculous jump to make.

It was always about the timeline combined with the fact that we needed help elsewhere to attempt to get over the hump. And our 1st round QB not becoming our starter, or the heir apparent, is exactly how many of us figured this would shake out. Because of that timeline. Yet people are still stubbornly defending the move. Just take the L. Not a big deal. Everyone has sh*t takes from time to time.

[Ron Swanson]

Douglas was an obvious sacrifice after the Campbell deal. Just gotta have faith that Jaire can stay healthy and you've still got your stud corner duo for the future between him and Stokes. Do we even have room for both Jaire and Davante extensions though? Losing either this year (Davante) or next (Jaire) and I fail to see how you can view this as a successful offseason.

[JimmyTheKid]

"We might get a 2nd for Love" is the new "The Love pick motivated Rodgers to play better."

Which is just the new 'anyone with a brain could see a 36 year old Rodgers clearly had two MVP seasons in front of him, obviously'

-Something not a single poster has typed on this forum

[Profound23]

There sure were a lot of people just a week or two ago that were claiming Rodgers wasn't looking for 50 mil a year and the media was making all of this up. Some of us stated that Rodgers was going to force the issue and become the highest paid QB again, making it so we have to get rid of some players (which of course in a year or two he can complain about how we cut Zadarius, Turner, and didn't re-sign guys like Douglas.....etc). I was told let's wait and see.....so I did.

Well, here we are and yes it was always about the money. With or without Love, Rodgers was going to do whatever possible to get this new deal. He has valued being the highest-paid QB a number of times in his career when Brady was taking team friendly deals. While I appreciate him pushing money into the future, this means there will either be one year where we take a huge hit from an over the hill or retired Rodgers.......or we have to spread it out over multiple years and hurt our cap over multiple years for a dude who isn't even on the team.

Now, they have every excuse in the book from those same people who like to do just that, make excuses for Rodgers and blame everyone else. It's Gute's fault, it's the media's fault.....just stop it already. We get to keep one of the best QBs in the league who might have another year or two before he dramatically falls off, but at what cost?

If this isn't Superbowl or bust then nothing is.

[coolhandluke121]

I don't really blame them for picking a QB under the circumstances. There was evidence of decline on the part of Rodgers, and Gute/MLF had their own futures to think of. IMO Rodgers was also frankly kind of an uncoachable dick in MLF's first two years, and I don't think the front office foresaw one of the more dysfunctional coach-QB dynamics in the league turning into such a productive partnership after they worked together to revamp the entire offense after MLF's second year.

Rodgers honestly deserves as much blame as anyone for them feeling they had to draft the QB of the future. For 3 years he acted like he would be able to buy time and throw 20+ yards downfield all the time, like he did in his prime. He revitalized his career by making more of the short passes to creative routes and letting receivers run after the catch, which is what MLF's offense was trying to get him to do all along.

I do blame the front office for the QB they chose though. I don't understand how ANY healthy first-round QB prospect can play as poorly as Love did in his last year of college against the schedule they played. It's kind of mind-boggling. Even Graham Mertz would have done much better IMO.

All in all, I'd be willing to bet a lot that history will show it was a terrible move, but I don't see the sense of harping on it when you have a really good gm. Gotta evaluate him on his overall body of work, which I think is outstanding. You don't get to be any madder than you would be at any wasted late first-rounder, which is not that unusual. It's just the cost of doing business in the NFL.

[M-C-G]

"We might get a 2nd for Love" is the new "The Love pick motivated Rodgers to play better."

Which is just the new 'anyone with a brain could see a 36 year old Rodgers clearly had two MVP seasons in front of him, obviously'

-Something not a single poster has typed on this forum

Oh contraire, we have had a number of people saying this was more likely than his demise.

[M-C-G]

Well, here we are and yes it was always about the money. With or without Love, Rodgers was going to do whatever possible to get this new deal. He has valued being the highest-paid QB a number of times in his career .

This is the part I think bothers me most; because it either means he was lying through his teeth about retirement, the people, etc. and all he really wanted to keep motivated was to be paid the most, again.

Or it means that only being paid the most was the reason he came back, which is even worse.

[M-C-G]

"A rookie Patrick Queen or Tee Higgins would have definitely won us the last two Super Bowls". Both sides have come up with some really dumb arguments.

Naming specific players was always dumb as we have no idea where the Packers ranked particular prospects in that draft. I personally have never claimed "we'd have another Super Bowl if player A was chosen instead of Love" as that is such a ridiculous jump to make.

It was always about the timeline combined with the fact that we needed help elsewhere to attempt to get over the hump. And our 1st round QB not becoming our starter, or the heir apparent, is exactly how many of us figured this would shake out. Because of that timeline. Yet people are still stubbornly defending the move. Just take the L. Not a big deal. Everyone has sh*t takes from time to time.

I've said before, he is not what I would have done with that pick. But I don't think there is an L to be taken for succession planning at the QB position, that is inherently a smart thing to do. Now if you want to say did we get the right guy, was it handled well, was it even the right time, then there is a discussion to be had.

[Mags FTW]

Silver lining when it comes to Douglas, we'll end up getting a comp pick for a guy Gute snagged off a practice squad.

[Profound23]

Well, here we are and yes it was always about the money. With or without Love, Rodgers was going to do whatever possible to get this new deal. He has valued being the highest-paid QB a number of times in his career .

This is the part I think bothers me most; because it either means he was lying through his teeth about retirement, the people, etc. and all he really wanted to keep motivated was to be paid the most, again.

Or it means that only being paid the most was the reason he came back, which is even worse.

And it would not bother me one bit if he was just honest about it. "I am the best QB in the league and I want to be paid like it." Don't hand me all these other excuses of how we let this huge list of players go......MOST OF THEM WERE LET GO BECAUSE YOU WERE THE HIGHEST PAID QB IN THE LEAGUE.

And stop getting on the media for printing "false information" when the information they are putting out there is 99% accurate about every move you have made so far. Just playing word games to shed the blame of everything to everyone else and his jock supporters are eating it up.

At the end of the day I am glad we will have high quality football for 1-3 years. It just would have been nice to work out a Herschel Walker type of deal and set up this franchise for another 15+ years.

[MickeyDavis]

Still 5 hours and $8 million to go

[stillgotgame]

Still 5 hours and $8 million to go

Cobb has to be a big chunk of this. No way we’re bringing him back with a salary of $7.8M, much less bringing him back at all.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/randall-cobb-7783/

[Ron Swanson]

"A rookie Patrick Queen or Tee Higgins would have definitely won us the last two Super Bowls". Both sides have come up with some really dumb arguments.

Naming specific players was always dumb as we have no idea where the Packers ranked particular prospects in that draft. I personally have never claimed "we'd have another Super Bowl if player A was chosen instead of Love" as that is such a ridiculous jump to make.

It was always about the timeline combined with the fact that we needed help elsewhere to attempt to get over the hump.

I love this argument. Every time someone asks for receipts on which player from the 2020 draft they think would have helped us over the hump and changed the outcome of the last two seasons, the default answer goes to "you can't pick a specific guy cuz that's not how this works", while then subtly implying in the very next paragraph that basically "anyone other than Jordan Love" would fit that criteria. Vague, circular logic 101, and can always claim "I wasn't wrong". Because of course, it's impossible for some people to look objectively and admit that the draft pick wouldn't have changed anything about the past two playoff choke jobs.

For the record, I also never bought into the "Rodgers was motivated by the Love pick" crap or that this had anything to do with Jordan Love/drafting a QB at all, and everything to do about money. But man......you sure did:

Post#588 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:10 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
This may be just hot air coming out my mouth right now, but I still circle back to the Love pick.


There is no doubt that was, and still is, the tipping point. And rightfully so. Aaron was upfront with the organization about wanting to play "well into his 40's" and literally the next draft, timelines be damned (also completely ignored), they trade up for a QB without giving him the courtesy of "hey Aaron, this is what we're doing, you're still our guy..." (even if that sentiment would have been complete nonsense)

Seriously, some of you guys couldn't do a 180 fast enough after gloating and lecturing people about how this wasn't about money, but rather "respect", or some dumb nonsense. I mean, I was always more than willing to "take an L" if/when the Love situation gets resolved, because that's just the cost of potential succession planning. Just make sure you keep up that same energy when the facts get in the way.

[MoMM]

"A rookie Patrick Queen or Tee Higgins would have definitely won us the last two Super Bowls". Both sides have come up with some really dumb arguments.

Naming specific players was always dumb as we have no idea where the Packers ranked particular prospects in that draft. I personally have never claimed "we'd have another Super Bowl if player A was chosen instead of Love" as that is such a ridiculous jump to make.

It was always about the timeline combined with the fact that we needed help elsewhere to attempt to get over the hump.

I love this argument. Every time someone asks for receipts on which player from the 2020 draft they think would have helped us over the hump and changed the outcome of the last two seasons, the default answer goes to "you can't pick a specific guy cuz that's not how this works", while then subtly implying in the very next paragraph that basically "anyone other than Jordan Love" would fit that criteria. Vague, circular logic 101, and can always claim "I wasn't wrong". Because of course, it's impossible for some people to look objectively and admit that the draft pick wouldn't have changed anything about the past two playoff choke jobs.

For the record, I also never bought into the "Rodgers was motivated by the Love pick" crap or that this had anything to do with Jordan Love/drafting a QB at all, and everything to do about money. But man......you sure did:

Post#588 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:10 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
This may be just hot air coming out my mouth right now, but I still circle back to the Love pick.


There is no doubt that was, and still is, the tipping point. And rightfully so. Aaron was upfront with the organization about wanting to play "well into his 40's" and literally the next draft, timelines be damned (also completely ignored), they trade up for a QB without giving him the courtesy of "hey Aaron, this is what we're doing, you're still our guy..." (even if that sentiment would have been complete nonsense)

Seriously, some of you guys couldn't do a 180 fast enough after gloating and lecturing people about how this wasn't about money, but rather "respect", or some dumb nonsense. I mean, I was always more than willing to "take an L" if/when the Love situation gets resolved, because that's just the cost of potential succession planning. Just make sure you keep up that same energy when the facts get in the way.

I said in a previous post that if we had picked any of the first 3 WRs picked after Love we would be in a way better shape. WR was a consensus need for our team, so logic applies.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

30 million a year for WRs? That's 22 million more than Sterling Sharpe earned in his entire 7 year career combined.

Craziness.

Well, Favre was also making $7m at his late 90s peak. Rodgers is going to make 7 years worth next year. Inflation is real lol

[MickeyDavis]

Still 5 hours and $8 million to go

Cobb has to be a big chunk of this. No way we’re bringing him back with a salary of $7.8M, much less bringing him back at all.

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/randall-cobb-7783/

Definitely. He either takes a big cut or gets cut