Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Besides the $50m salary next year, is there anything stopping Rodger from retiring next off-season? Would we even be able to field a team with Rodgers dead cap and committed salaries?
Hell, imagine a Henry Ruggs or Jayson Williams (lets go with the motorcycle accident for sensitivity sake) situation in the next month and he physically cant play anymore. Do we just keep him on the IR indefinitely?

[Ron Swanson]

So what does the WR room look like with Rodgers but no Davante? I'd imagine we'd wanna keep Cobb assuming he agrees to a massive pay cut, but you can't roll into the season with just Lazard, a 32-year old Cobb, and 3 rookies. Go out and get a veteran guy, but with what money? Just not seeing a situation where we feel fine with not bringing back Rodgers/Tae as a package deal, but it's looking more likely that might happen if they can't agree on a number.

[Treebeard]

So what does the WR room look like with Rodgers but no Davante? I'd imagine we'd wanna keep Cobb assuming he agrees to a massive pay cut, but you can't roll into the season with just Lazard, a 32-year old Cobb, and 3 rookies. Go out and get a veteran guy, but with what money? Just not seeing a situation where we feel fine with not bringing back Rodgers/Tae as a package deal, but it's looking more likely that might happen if they can't agree on a number.

Plus, some mystery at TE too. Will Tonyan be a cap casualty? Marcedes Lewis? I know Lewis is a locker room leader and has been a go-to guy for Rogers, but what's left in the tank? By default, that leaves Deguara, Davis, and Dafney on the current roster.

[M-C-G]

So what does the WR room look like with Rodgers but no Davante? I'd imagine we'd wanna keep Cobb assuming he agrees to a massive pay cut, but you can't roll into the season with just Lazard, a 32-year old Cobb, and 3 rookies. Go out and get a veteran guy, but with what money? Just not seeing a situation where we feel fine with not bringing back Rodgers/Tae as a package deal, but it's looking more likely that might happen if they can't agree on a number.

Was just thinking about this, here is what I came up with;
Get the extensions with Jaire and Amos done
Reduce Cobb to basically min pay
Sign Will Fuller to a 3-4M deal, if he won't play for that price, go lower and sign Sammy Watkins, this replaces the MVS role to some extent
Sign Jamison Crowder if you can't get Cobb to stick around

Then in the draft, I would target guys like Skyy Moore or Wandale Robinson to be your slot guys of the future but either guy should be capable of gadget worthy this season.

In that fourth or fifth round, basically get your new rookie version of MVS, Velus Jones Jr. You have also solved your kick return and possibly your punt return issue as well.

Assuming we trade Adams, I probably use a first to try to get Garret Wilson or Olave, as I think there are probably the two most Rodgers-ready WR in the draft.

WR: Fuller, Lazard, Cobb/Crowder, Moore/Robinson, Velus Jones, Rodgers (would have to probably make the team over Cobb/Crowder)

Then obviously if you traded Adams, you are adding one of the big names, ideally Wilson to this group, which shifts everybody else down a peg.

*If JuJu is looking for a prove it deal, he would be a great add too.

[Treebeard]

Notably absent from our WR discussions is Amari Rogers. The lack of speed is the bigger concern than the ball handling yips of last year. He looked like just another guy.

[M-C-G]

I'm strangely optimistic that there is a path to more cap we could squeeze out of this season but I am assuming Adams will be back.

[M-C-G]

Notably absent from our WR discussions is Amari Rogers. The lack of speed is the bigger concern than the ball handling yips of last year. He looked like just another guy.

Yeah, him taking any kind of jump to solidify anything would be great. Really not a fan of why you draft a guy like him and then not use him at all for the purpose you drafted him. He basically ran the Jimmy Graham slow mo two yard out all season.

[MickeyDavis]

Don't need to do an Adams deal today, just need to get under the cap, which will be done. Long time to yet a deal done.

[JimmyTheKid]

"A rookie Patrick Queen or Tee Higgins would have definitely won us the last two Super Bowls". Both sides have come up with some really dumb arguments.

Naming specific players was always dumb as we have no idea where the Packers ranked particular prospects in that draft. I personally have never claimed "we'd have another Super Bowl if player A was chosen instead of Love" as that is such a ridiculous jump to make.

It was always about the timeline combined with the fact that we needed help elsewhere to attempt to get over the hump.

I love this argument. Every time someone asks for receipts on which player from the 2020 draft they think would have helped us over the hump and changed the outcome of the last two seasons, the default answer goes to "you can't pick a specific guy cuz that's not how this works", while then subtly implying in the very next paragraph that basically "anyone other than Jordan Love" would fit that criteria. Vague, circular logic 101, and can always claim "I wasn't wrong". Because of course, it's impossible for some people to look objectively and admit that the draft pick wouldn't have changed anything about the past two playoff choke jobs.

For the record, I also never bought into the "Rodgers was motivated by the Love pick" crap or that this had anything to do with Jordan Love/drafting a QB at all, and everything to do about money. But man......you sure did:

Post#588 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Jul 28, 2021 8:10 pm

Matches Malone wrote:
This may be just hot air coming out my mouth right now, but I still circle back to the Love pick.


There is no doubt that was, and still is, the tipping point. And rightfully so. Aaron was upfront with the organization about wanting to play "well into his 40's" and literally the next draft, timelines be damned (also completely ignored), they trade up for a QB without giving him the courtesy of "hey Aaron, this is what we're doing, you're still our guy..." (even if that sentiment would have been complete nonsense)

Seriously, some of you guys couldn't do a 180 fast enough after gloating and lecturing people about how this wasn't about money, but rather "respect", or some dumb nonsense. I mean, I was always more than willing to "take an L" if/when the Love situation gets resolved, because that's just the cost of potential succession planning. Just make sure you keep up that same energy when the facts get in the way.

Yes, using a 1st round pick on literally any other position than the most cemented position on the team could have helped the Packers get over the hump. There is no possible way to know if it would have seeing as we don't know the player or position. But different players on the field would have yielded different looking box scores, different plays ran, and yes, potentially different outcomes. Who f**ing knows. Thats not being "vague" thats just the way it is. Because everything changes, game to game, at least a little, with different personnel. But, again, the point, for the thousandth time, is the decision to draft a 1st round QB after Rodgers, as opposed to Favre, was straightforward about his timeline, was a terrible one. Getting a 2nd for Love won't change that.

And if there is a "gotcha" moment in the rest of that post, I'm struggling to see it. You cite one of my comments from July that I've been very, very consistent about.

[Profound23]

So what does the WR room look like with Rodgers but no Davante? I'd imagine we'd wanna keep Cobb assuming he agrees to a massive pay cut, but you can't roll into the season with just Lazard, a 32-year old Cobb, and 3 rookies. Go out and get a veteran guy, but with what money? Just not seeing a situation where we feel fine with not bringing back Rodgers/Tae as a package deal, but it's looking more likely that might happen if they can't agree on a number.

If your QB wants 50 mil, he should be able to perform with a few average WRs so we can invest money elsewhere.......otherwise he isn't worth 50 mil.

[PintSizedBox10]

Again, the Packers FO offered Rodgers the contract. They can only blame themselves.
I suspect they'll also offer Adams a massive deal because they're desperate.

I'll never understand the weirdos who think athletes should take less money, and then go on to kiss the ass of the billion dollar organizations.

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[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

So what does the WR room look like with Rodgers but no Davante? I'd imagine we'd wanna keep Cobb assuming he agrees to a massive pay cut, but you can't roll into the season with just Lazard, a 32-year old Cobb, and 3 rookies. Go out and get a veteran guy, but with what money? Just not seeing a situation where we feel fine with not bringing back Rodgers/Tae as a package deal, but it's looking more likely that might happen if they can't agree on a number.

If your QB wants 50 mil, he should be able to perform with a few average WRs so we can invest money elsewhere.......otherwise he isn't worth 50 mil.

I agree with that but I also wouldn't mind just trying to be dominant on the offensive side, if not this year then next year. Take two Treys (Burks & McBride) in the first 2 rounds to give him some targets. We have 3 years with Rodgers and Jones, might as well go big. I think Rodgers is still a Top 5 QB next year, but will need help after that.

*Coming from a casual fan who doesn't watch college football that just wants to see an amazing offense.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Again, the Packers FO offered Rodgers the contract. They can only blame themselves.
I suspect they'll also offer Adams a massive deal because they're desperate.

I'll never understand the weirdos who think athletes should take less money, and then go on to kiss the ass of the billion dollar organizations.

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I agree overall, but Rodgers has complained about what is put around him. This isn't about the Packers being cheap, its about not having the cap room when you have a $50m. This isn't exactly like the Bucks passing on PJ Tucker.

[Profound23]

Again, the Packers FO offered Rodgers the contract. They can only blame themselves.
I suspect they'll also offer Adams a massive deal because they're desperate.

I'll never understand the weirdos who think athletes should take less money, and then go on to kiss the ass of the billion dollar organizations.

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I agree overall, but Rodgers has complained about what is put around him. This isn't about the Packers being cheap, its about not having the cap room when you have a $50m. This isn't exactly like the Bucks passing on PJ Tucker.

Exactly!

No clue why people don't see this.

[ReddRum]

Bill Huber
@BillHuberSI
· 19m
The #Packers will need a new punter. Preferably cheap and talented.

https://si.com/nfl/packers/news/green-bay-packers-will-not-re-sign-punter-corey-bojorquez

[MickeyDavis]

Not resigning Bojorquez. Let's get one who can actually hold on kicks.

[coolhandluke121]

So what does the WR room look like with Rodgers but no Davante? I'd imagine we'd wanna keep Cobb assuming he agrees to a massive pay cut, but you can't roll into the season with just Lazard, a 32-year old Cobb, and 3 rookies. Go out and get a veteran guy, but with what money? Just not seeing a situation where we feel fine with not bringing back Rodgers/Tae as a package deal, but it's looking more likely that might happen if they can't agree on a number.

Plus, some mystery at TE too. Will Tonyan be a cap casualty? Marcedes Lewis? I know Lewis is a locker room leader and has been a go-to guy for Rogers, but what's left in the tank? By default, that leaves Deguara, Davis, and Dafney on the current roster.

I wouldn't want Lewis back for free. It got to the point where I was surprised every time he caught the ball and didn't fumble. I knew there would be a costly one in the playoffs at some point, and sure enough there was. I've never seen a player hold the ball the way he did when he ran with it. I thought coaches were supposed to go nuclear on that crap, and the fact that you almost never see any player do it seems to imply that most coaches still do.

Deguara sucks so far. I actually think Dafney is a little better than him, which isn't saying much. I think Tonyan is a cap casualty and it's going to be just be an incredibly weak positive with D 'n D plus some rookie or journeyman.

[LittleRooster]

Bill Huber
@BillHuberSI
· 19m
The #Packers will need a new punter. Preferably cheap and talented.

https://si.com/nfl/packers/news/green-bay-packers-will-not-re-sign-punter-corey-bojorquez

This upsets me more than it should


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[PintSizedBox10]

Again, the Packers FO offered Rodgers the contract. They can only blame themselves.
I suspect they'll also offer Adams a massive deal because they're desperate.

I'll never understand the weirdos who think athletes should take less money, and then go on to kiss the ass of the billion dollar organizations.

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I agree overall, but Rodgers has complained about what is put around him. This isn't about the Packers being cheap, its about not having the cap room when you have a $50m. This isn't exactly like the Bucks passing on PJ Tucker.

Exactly!

No clue why people don't see this.

When has he complained about the team around him? I'd like some quotes.

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[M-C-G]

So what does the WR room look like with Rodgers but no Davante? I'd imagine we'd wanna keep Cobb assuming he agrees to a massive pay cut, but you can't roll into the season with just Lazard, a 32-year old Cobb, and 3 rookies. Go out and get a veteran guy, but with what money? Just not seeing a situation where we feel fine with not bringing back Rodgers/Tae as a package deal, but it's looking more likely that might happen if they can't agree on a number.

Plus, some mystery at TE too. Will Tonyan be a cap casualty? Marcedes Lewis? I know Lewis is a locker room leader and has been a go-to guy for Rogers, but what's left in the tank? By default, that leaves Deguara, Davis, and Dafney on the current roster.

I wouldn't want Lewis back for free. It got to the point where I was surprised every time he caught the ball and didn't fumble. I knew there would be a costly one in the playoffs at some point, and sure enough there was. I've never seen a player hold the ball the way he did when he ran with it. I thought coaches were supposed to go nuclear on that crap, and the fact that you almost never see any player do it seems to imply that most coaches still do.

Deguara sucks so far. I actually think Dafney is a little better than him, which isn't saying much. I think Tonyan is a cap casualty and it's going to be just be an incredibly weak positive with D 'n D plus some rookie or journeyman.

I don't know where we picked up a TE named Davis, but I really like what I saw of him as another big WR type guy.