Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[dTox]

Scottie Barnes thread that is literally a full page of people yapping on about Fred lol

It's the same guy or 2, writing the same thing over and over again, it's made this thread almost unbearable to read, at one point it was one of my favourite threads to follow, and its turned into a Fred bashing or Pecking order discussion.

Plenty of fans bringing up usage and attempts and same 2-3 guys complaining about nothing to see and Scottie is just fine as a #4 or #5 option right on a Scottie Barnes tread. You complainers should start thread for 3 other guys above Scottie, I mentioned that the other day and sure enough someone started a Siakam all NBA THREAD. Which I think is great, we have fans that are excited for Scottie and don't want to see him continue to be the garbage man center.

Did Dallas do this with Luka? Did Memphis do this with Morant? Did Atlanta do this with Young? Hey maybe you don't believe that Scottie is star material.

Seems like the bitching coming from the same 2-3 Siakam/ Fred worshippers on a Scottie Barnes thread…. makes sense

What are you talking about? I literally responded to you last week when you tried to brush me as a fvv or Siakam fanboy that I'm not opposed to trading both, and here you are again doing the same thing, brushing me again as a FVV/Siakam worshipper, seems like your stuck on repeat even when you defend yourself.
We get it, you want pecking order. Now can we talk about something else related to Scottie? We are not the coaching staff so constantly making the same post over and over again is just boring the readers of this board. We understand your take, no need to repeat it a 10000 times.

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[hype_2004]

It's the same guy or 2, writing the same thing over and over again, it's made this thread almost unbearable to read, at one point it was one of my favourite threads to follow, and its turned into a Fred bashing or Pecking order discussion.

Plenty of fans bringing up usage and attempts and same 2-3 guys complaining about nothing to see and Scottie is just fine as a #4 or #5 option right on a Scottie Barnes tread. You complainers should start thread for 3 other guys above Scottie, I mentioned that the other day and sure enough someone started a Siakam all NBA THREAD. Which I think is great, we have fans that are excited for Scottie and don't want to see him continue to be the garbage man center.

Did Dallas do this with Luka? Did Memphis do this with Morant? Did Atlanta do this with Young? Hey maybe you don't believe that Scottie is star material.

Seems like the bitching coming from the same 2-3 Siakam/ Fred worshippers on a Scottie Barnes thread…. makes sense

What are you talking about? I literally responded to you last week when you tried to brush me as a fvv or Siakam fanboy that I'm not opposed to trading both, and here you are again doing the same thing, brushing me again as a FVV/Siakam worshipper, seems like your stuck on repeat even when you defend yourself.
We get it, you want pecking order. Now can we talk about something else related to Scottie? We are not the coaching staff so constantly making the same post over and over again is just boring the readers of this board. We understand your take, no need to repeat it a 10000 times.

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C'mon guys, this will be settled in the offseason for better or worse, if everyone son board that Scottie will be the primary facilitor then the roster remains unchanged and if there is disagreements and guys not being on board there will be changes, no need to argue let Masai do his job for the best direction of the team.

[DreamTeam09]

Scottie Barnes thread that is literally a full page of people yapping on about Fred lol

It's the same guy or 2, writing the same thing over and over again, it's made this thread almost unbearable to read, at one point it was one of my favourite threads to follow, and its turned into a Fred bashing or Pecking order discussion.

Plenty of fans bringing up usage and attempts and same 2-3 guys complaining about nothing to see and Scottie is just fine as a #4 or #5 option right on a Scottie Barnes tread. You complainers should start thread for 3 other guys above Scottie, I mentioned that the other day and sure enough someone started a Siakam all NBA THREAD. Which I think is great, we have fans that are excited for Scottie and don't want to see him continue to be the garbage man center.

Did Dallas do this with Luka? Did Memphis do this with Morant? Did Atlanta do this with Young? Hey maybe you don't believe that Scottie is star material.

Seems like the bitching coming from the same 2-3 Siakam/ Fred worshippers on a Scottie Barnes thread…. makes sense

All those teams were a bad team when those players got drafted - The Raptors were coming off a 50 win season and had to relocate to another country to play home games in a shortened szn were many of our players were injured or dealing with Covid.

Mobley is on good team with similar USG rate

[WuTang_CMB]

Sadly, no body looks at metrics for awards.
Barnes should be ROY as of today as eye test and metrics beat out Mobley and Cunningham

[DG88]

Damn Scottie is still 3rd in the NBA.com rookie rankings

[Dalek]

This Ringer rookie class statistical comp article made me fall off my chair. The model is broken:

Cade Cunningham, Pistons (No. 1 Pick)
Top comps: (1) Cole Anthony, (2) Dennis Smith Jr., (3) Kemba Walker, (4) LaMelo Ball, (5) Brandon Jennings

Evan Mobley, Cavaliers (3)
Top comps: (1) Wendell Carter Jr., (2) Rui Hachimura, (3) Luol Deng, (4) Darius Miles, (5) Kelly Olynyk

What it means: As a reminder, these comps don’t look at defensive statistics, so they inherently miss a great deal of the appeal of a player like Mobley, who already looks like one of the top defenders in the league. I was in attendance at the Cavaliers’ loss in Chicago over the weekend and almost jumped out of my seat at this Mobley block:

What about Mobley’s offense? It’s no surprise to see some wings on his comps list, given that Mobley has mostly played as a forward next to the now-injured Jarrett Allen, and had to expand his shooting range and passing accordingly. But Carter, fittingly, looks like the best comp: Like Mobley, the rookie Carter displayed a deft touch around the rim and good passing chops for a big man, but he needed to grow into his jump shot. (And he has: Carter has attempted about twice as many 3s this season as he did in his entire career before now.)

Mobley’s a bit different in that he’s at least taking 3s in his first season, but like most members of this rookie class, he needs to improve his shooting. His current figures of 26 percent from 3-point range and 68 percent from the free throw line—both in line with Mobley’s numbers in college—won’t cut it for a superstar.

Scottie Barnes, Raptors (4)
Top comps: (1) Rui Hachimura, (2) Luol Deng, (3) Omri Casspi, (4) Kelly Olynyk, (5) R.J. Hampton

What it means: Barnes and Mobley have many commonalities. They’re the two leading contenders for Rookie of the Year; they’re stellar defenders; they’re playing multiple positions for a surprising Eastern playoff contender; and they have similar offensive stats, which explains why so many of their top comps overlap.

Per 75 possessions, Mobley is averaging 16 points, nine rebounds, and three assists; Barnes is at 16, eight, and four, respectively. Mobley has a 20 percent usage rate, Barnes 19 percent. Their true shooting percentages are separated by half a percentage point. So take almost all of the analysis in Mobley’s section and apply it here, too: In both rookies’ cases, there’s a lot to like about a player with such versatile offensive production and anchor-level defensive ability.

https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/3/15/22978146/nba-rookie-comps-cade-cunningham-jalen-green

These comparisons make my head hurt. If anyone, my comparison for Mobley would be Chris Bosh year two. He has that kind of in-game presence, but maybe the stats don't line-up exactly. Barnes I think is similar to year two Scottie Pippen.

Offensively Scottie lines up equally to Mobley, but if people look beyond those basic numbers they know that Scottie is creating his own way more while Mobley benefits from Garland setting him up for easy lobs. I think ultimately media should vote this as a co-ROY award. They both offer the same type of offensive impact and have unique defensive abilities. Mobley is a pretty elite rim protector while Scottie can guard elite players in the NBA and switch 1-5.

[Madhouse]

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[WuTang_CMB]

Kevin is smart and knows his stuff. Rest of voters arent and they dont watch any of our games nor r they going to dive in the actual stats of it. Thats the problem

Only way scottie wins it is if raps take over cavs in standings and scottie keeps playing like he has been since all str break. Guarding everyone, averaging 20 and 8 and 3 with some stls and blocks.

[pingpongrac]

Scottie Barnes thread that is literally a full page of people yapping on about Fred lol

It's the same guy or 2, writing the same thing over and over again, it's made this thread almost unbearable to read, at one point it was one of my favourite threads to follow, and its turned into a Fred bashing or Pecking order discussion.

Plenty of fans bringing up usage and attempts and same 2-3 guys complaining about nothing to see and Scottie is just fine as a #4 or #5 option right on a Scottie Barnes tread. You complainers should start thread for 3 other guys above Scottie, I mentioned that the other day and sure enough someone started a Siakam all NBA THREAD. Which I think is great, we have fans that are excited for Scottie and don't want to see him continue to be the garbage man center.

Did Dallas do this with Luka? Did Memphis do this with Morant? Did Atlanta do this with Young? Hey maybe you don't believe that Scottie is star material.

Seems like the bitching coming from the same 2-3 Siakam/ Fred worshippers on a Scottie Barnes thread…. makes sense

Those are silly comparisons though. Luka's best teammates in his rookie year were Harrison Barnes and THJ for the 33-win Mavs. Ja's best teammates were probably JV and JJJ for the 34-win Grizzlies. Trae's best teammate was a sophomore Collins for the 29-win Hawks. I'd go as far as to say that GTJ (our 4th best player outside of Scottie) is at least as good as all of the 2nd options that Luka+Ja+Trae had in their rookie years. Those rookies were fed extra possessions because 1) they came into the league as offensively driven players and 2) they had absolutely no help on their way to the lottery.

It's also odd to complain about Siakam and FVV taking away possessions from Scottie when they have still been a bit more efficient since the new year (+1 TS% and -.5 TOV% for Siakam and +1 TS% and -2 TOV% for FVV) in extra possessions. Obviously the long-term plan is to become a contender and the most likely way to achieve that goal is hope Scottie develops into a #1 option or trade OG/GTJ for a legit #1 -- but neither of those things are happening in the first 8 months of Scottie's NBA career.

It baffles my mind that some people don't realize how incredibly well Scottie is developing while contributing to a winning team. His USG% the last 3 months has been climbing and now it is back up to where it was at the beginning of the year without Siakam (21% in the first 8 games vs 19% in the last 30 games and 20% in 11 post-ASB games). Those first 8 games especially were great, but I'd much prefer this rookie version of Scottie that looks like he knows exactly what he wants to do whenever he gets the ball. He has been picking apart defences lately and he has become a vastly improved off-ball player despite not being a three-point threat.

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Scottie has been stuck at 3rd for 2 weeks now. Feel like he should be over Cade considering Barnes is winning in addition to the numbers he's putting up. Mobley holding onto the top stop feels very narrative driven. But he's a great prospect so whatever.

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[Madhouse]

Scottie has been stuck at 3rd for 2 weeks now. Feel like he should be over Cade considering Barnes is winning in addition to the numbers he's putting up. Mobley holding onto the top stop feels very narrative driven. But he's a great prospect so whatever.

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[dTox]

https://www.nba.com/news/raptors-rookie-scottie-barnes-continues-to-impress-and-improve

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[OakleyDokely]

If Cade wins the award with a 49 TS% over Mobley and Barnes the award should be eliminated forever.

[Johnny Bball]

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[Johnny Bball]

Not really just following the pecking order now that VanVleet is back, VanVleet and Siakam was waving him off a few times he was setting up for a post up, we won and that's all that matters.

I am sure Freddy ball hog is pissed he only got up 14 shots lol!, Masai needs to fix this for next season. I just cannot see Barnes having an opportunity to receive consistent amount of nightly attempts with 3 ball dominant players like Siakam/Trent and Fred around him. OG is the only other starter that is not ball dominant and willing to take less or sacrifice. He is also a player who can play off the ball and does not demand shots, along with our best defender.

I have seen many nights this season where even when Scottie is well on his way to a 30 plus point night they stop feeding him to get theirs. Trent is by far one of worse, even on games he does not have it going he just ignores Barnes to get his even if Scottie is waving his hands looking for a pass but then loves it when Barnes gets him a wide open look. That needs to end starting next season, because in this game it always about feeding the hot hand.

News flash to the 3 shot attempt piglets….. Scottie will not be getting you donuts next season if you're still even on this team. I personally think at least one of those 3 will bet traded before next season to allow the Raptors to start a true 5 and allow Scottie to move within the top 3 pecking order. No way anyone of those 3 will be willing to accept a lesser role and that means we would have Scottie still as a #4 option into his second season . NOT GOING TO HAPPEN and if this bothers you, move along because this is a Scottie Barnes thread. Getting tired of the pretend Barnes fans showing up on this thread telling people everything is fine and he does not get iced on some nights.


Scottie Barnes is so popular this is the second thread this season, that should tell you something. For the people who don't think he should be moving up in the pecking order. Start a tread for the 3 shot piglets.

Lots going on in this thread, and I'm not sure anybody needs to start a "tread for the 3 shot piglets" (whatever that means), but I'm pretty sure you have no idea how the offence functions, or how it's supposed to function.

I'll go with literally. Blaming any other players is just ridiculous.

[Johnny Bball]

It's the same dude regurgitating the same thing over and over again, about the pecking order. Nothing new, nothing insightful, just banging the same drum over and over like we didn't read it a thousand times before.

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None of these guys saying that even understood what Fred was trying to say. Anyone that thinks he was setting it up so there was one is just agenda driven and just doesn't even understand. Right over their heads.

[Johnny Bball]

OK.

FVV is 50th in the league in FGA per36 (slightly behind Siakam and GTJ) and 52nd in USG% among qualified players. He is absolutely not trying to be "the guy," and there is no evidence that he wouldn't take a lesser role in the offence if it makes the team better.

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I have a feeling this “Fred’s ego is too big to take a lesser role” is going to age as badly as all of their other hot takes from the past year.

The guy fits anywhere on a team and has had no ego the whole time. Having a chip on your shoulder or believing in yourself is not having a huge ego. Do people really think anyone with confidence in themselves has a huge ego?>

Once again people attempting to make this a group vs group or player vs player thing. How about they have some independence and just make a valid point for themselves.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie's worst game in the last 2 weeks and still ended up with 15/4.

Ridiculous.

[Madhouse]

yeah he wasn't great although the defensive assignments in this game were nuts again. That he isn't getting calls is frustrating.