2021-22 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2.0

[Tripod]

Let's be honest, they are going to talk to GTJ and find out what his plans are and the money he expects, then make the decision if he is even here next year. That's the 1st move/decision to make.

[Mr Swagtastic]

That's an interesting idea. I like the prospects in the return where one day can be starters so it's not like we're trading Fred just for bench pieces. That said, for now I'm guessing both sides will say no. Things might change depending on playoff results.

Fred although not fitting the 6'9 archetype has been a key player and the definitive leader. FO also appears to be super high on him.

Caruso has a huge impact on winning. Very underrated.

For sure, I like him. He's a big part of improving the Bulls defense this year.

Chicago isn't moving Ayopo Dosunmu and Williams and Curuso for Freddy. I get VanVleet is from Chicago and arguably better than Ayo not but he's not that much better. I think Chicago is happy with what they have and probably looking to add a defensive minded PF

[Spida888]

I agree it might be too rich for Chicago and that’s why in my original post I think both sides will probably say no.

Ayo has been really good for a rookie, a great steal for where he was drafted. But cmon now, Fred is definitely better than Ayo right now lol.

[Raptorfan2012]

Let's be honest, they are going to talk to GTJ and find out what his plans are and the money he expects, then make the decision if he is even here next year. That's the 1st move/decision to make.

GTJ is such a hard read. Some nights he looks like a star and other nights he is an inefficient chucker. If Barnes can continue to add to his offensive game, then maybe we can trade GTJ for a C who can also hit some 3s.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

I would do anything to try and move OG for Wiseman. Insurance for Draymond for the Warriors, we get our big who is mobile and can play with our core.

I rather have Barnes at the 3 anyway. Can bully in the post and easily guard the position

[Morse Code]

Lol. Siakam has a lot more value than that.

top 3 pick type value?

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

I'm baffled some of yall still don't get the concept of what we're building here with truly positionless basketball. Chet doesn't need to play C. Or pf, or sf, or sg, or pg. There's certain actions on the court and spaces we would need him to fill but whether he can play C or not is irrelevant for a team like the one we're building. I know its hard but you gotta try and erase your traditional thoughts on positions and how players fit into them.

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[Tripod]

top 3 pick type value?

There's a lot of SF and PF in this draft (Smith, Holmgren, Griffin, Banchero, Jovic, Murry) we already have three capable starters vying for those two positions. Holmgren cannot play center the kid is 195lbs. So unless you think Ivey is going to be a star I wouldn't move Siakam (who is having his best season) for draft capital.

I'm baffled some of yall still don't get the concept of what we're building here with truly positionless basketball. Chet doesn't need to play C. Or pf, or sf, or sg, or pg. There's certain actions on the court and spaces we would need him to fill but whether he can play C or not is irrelevant for a team like the one we're building. I know its hard but you gotta try and erase your traditional thoughts on positions and how players fit into them.

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Until Fred is moved, we are not going all in on this line of thinking, though.

[CanadaB-Ball]

Caruso has a huge impact on winning. Very underrated.

For sure, I like him. He's a big part of improving the Bulls defense this year.

Chicago isn't moving Ayopo Dosunmu and Williams and Curuso for Freddy. I get VanVleet is from Chicago and arguably better than Ayo not but he's not that much better. I think Chicago is happy with what they have and probably looking to add a defensive minded PF

Not that much better? Are you serious? I understand that Fred’s played like **** while injured, but we’re talking about a guy who still ranks in the top-20 in consolidated impact metrics. Top-20 in the NBA. Ayo barely cracks the top-200.

[Kingsway_fan]

Let's be honest, they are going to talk to GTJ and find out what his plans are and the money he expects, then make the decision if he is even here next year. That's the 1st move/decision to make.

Sounds right... I think he has to be number one trade option....

[Kingsway_fan]

Fred at 41 percent shooting for the season.. Trent similar. Do we have the worst shooting backcourt of playoff teams?

[PoundTown]

Fred at 41 percent shooting for the season.. Trent similar. Do we have the worst shooting backcourt of playoff teams?

Might want to look at true shooting percentage unless you want to discount the value of their 3s. I think they are an above average backcourt especially considering their defensive metrics have been solid this year.

[Madhouse]

Fred at 41 percent shooting for the season.. Trent similar. Do we have the worst shooting backcourt of playoff teams?

Might want to look at true shooting percentage unless you want to discount the value of their 3s. I think they are an above average backcourt especially considering their defensive metrics have been solid this year.

They are one of the top backcourts as long as FVV is healthy which he isn't right now.

[Morris_Shatford]

I would do anything to try and move OG for Wiseman. Insurance for Draymond for the Warriors, we get our big who is mobile and can play with our core.

I rather have Barnes at the 3 anyway. Can bully in the post and easily guard the position

A healthy James Wiseman is very intriguing;
But to to lean on tales of woe from the past; assuming he plays every single remaining regular season game (which appears unlikely) he will still have played less games over his first two seasons compared to Greg Oden.

Unless he shows very quickly that he can stay healthy I don't think he commands that sort of value at this point.

[YelloC]

Without taking into account the strength of next years you draft which I have no opinion of yet, I wonder if we could package next years 1st and this years 2nd to potentially move up ahead of the 1st we traded to the Spurs.
If the front office really likes a player, I wouldn’t be against doing this since the focus should be on surrounding Scottie and the core with high end talent considering Scottie is ahead of schedule in his development.

[PhilBlackson]

I would do anything to try and move OG for Wiseman. Insurance for Draymond for the Warriors, we get our big who is mobile and can play with our core.

I rather have Barnes at the 3 anyway. Can bully in the post and easily guard the position

If there's any young guy I'd be gunning for it would be Kuminga.

I would trade OG + our DET 2nd. If (like it's much of a question) the Raptors can develop Kuminga as they did OG, nevermind even getting to Pascal's level....Kuminga would be an easy all-star and likely bordering on superstar for the sheer fact he's EXPLOSIVE as an athlete, like a mini-Bron type of explosion and strength. People keep forgetting he's Chet's age, Ivery is older than him. Get this kid the kind of ball handling and shooting work OG got and he'd be one of the best wings in the league.

My only issue is if that cat is already too much out of the bag and the Warriors are all in on his potential....and idc if I get flamed for it but I said it at the draft and even with how damn gooooood Pascal has been ballin, he just really earned tfo of my respect this season because he looks a lot better and more fluid and like a real all-star. Some will kill me but I still just don't see him being good enough where his absolute prime will coincide with Scottie being at the level he needs to be to win a chip. Usually a superstar isn't truly ready to win until they're AT LEAST 25+ years old. Look at LeBron, KD, Giannis, Curry etc etc...those guys didn't win a chip at 23. In 3 years from now Pascal is 31 y/o...most of those guys didn't win until they were 26 so tack on another 3 years, are we banking on 34 y/o Pascal who literally runs himself into the ground, up and down the court like suicides to be healthy & more importantly still quick enough to do what he does?! Maybe, but I doubt it.

On the flipside, I can't even imagine what a monster Kuminga would be if we even got him to the level of OG's refinement with his type of crazy athleticism. Keeping in mind as a ballhandler Kuminga is light years ahead of where OG was as a rookie, despite Kuminga being really actually a college kid and OG being a 2 year college player. Like I said look at where guys like OG and Pascal started, raw as hell...both Scottie AND Kuminga are FAR ahead where those 2 were rookies, we're seeing what it's doing already for Scottie...do that with Kuminga. That's easily the most exciting duo here since VC/TMac and I'd argue with Scottie's passing & court vision would actually have a higher ceiling if developed properly.

All that said I know we'd likely not gamble that hard by trading Pascal but I would find some sort of package around OG for Kuminga, I think he'd become a star here.

[Scottie4Bro]

I would look to inquire about what kind of packages Fred and GTJ each could give us in return, if traded.

Not saying they should be, but I think offers should be explored. I like Siakam as the #1 option for the time being but I'm not high on GTJ or Fred and I don't feel they are great fits for the team.

[Spida888]

I would look to inquire about what kind of packages Fred and GTJ each could give us in return, if traded.

Not saying they should be, but I think offers should be explored. I like Siakam as the #1 option for the time being but I'm not high on GTJ or Fred and I don't feel they are great fits for the team.

Agreed. Pretty much no one is untouchable except for Scottie. If Pascal performs at a high level in the playoffs well then he might be next to untouchable.

I don't mind keeping both Fred and Gary if they are on similar contracts to what they have now.

Fred would get a bump because of the all-star status but I would hope to cap it at 25M max per year.

Gary I think he's a little overpaid right now but he has shown some potential. My biggest complaint about him is his shooting is so inconsistent. If he's a more consistent player and we get him under 20M I want to keep him around.

[Madhouse]

I would look to inquire about what kind of packages Fred and GTJ each could give us in return, if traded.

Not saying they should be, but I think offers should be explored. I like Siakam as the #1 option for the time being but I'm not high on GTJ or Fred and I don't feel they are great fits for the team.

I would much rather explore packages for GTJ and OG.

I see those 2 having lots of value in the league.

I think Fred brings back a meh return and has more value to the Raptors.

[Madhouse]

I would do anything to try and move OG for Wiseman. Insurance for Draymond for the Warriors, we get our big who is mobile and can play with our core.

I rather have Barnes at the 3 anyway. Can bully in the post and easily guard the position

Wiseman is such a wildcard though. If I move OG I need to get back a talent upgrade and the only way I see that is packaging him with GTJ.

[Los_29]

Caruso has a huge impact on winning. Very underrated.

For sure, I like him. He's a big part of improving the Bulls defense this year.

Chicago isn't moving Ayopo Dosunmu and Williams and Curuso for Freddy. I get VanVleet is from Chicago and arguably better than Ayo not but he's not that much better. I think Chicago is happy with what they have and probably looking to add a defensive minded PF

There is no way you just said that Fred is arguably better than Ayo.

Come on man, if we offered Fred for that awful package, Chicago would be packing Ayo, Williams and Caruso's bags and driving them to the airport. It's a lopsided deal where Chicago is getting an all-star caliber player for bench players and fringe starters.