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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1281 » by stillgotgame » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:03 pm

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M-C-G wrote:I thought Cobb looked spry…until he got hurt and then didn’t.




Yeah, I feel like people are sometimes too eager to imply that a guy past his prime is basically a corpse. If you're not asking the guy to do too much, it could work out beautifully. If he continues to have nagging injuries, then he's useless, but they barely paid him any more than his dead cap hit and it's the right gamble IMO. He can at least maybe be a trusted first down target who knows how to find gaps in the defense.

Amari Rodgers is the real issue, and that's why they need to roll the dice on Cobb's health. I defend Gute's overall body of work, but that was a really bad pick. I have absolutely no hope left for him. I think he's awful.

Will miss MVS, assuming he's gone. Never got the complaints about his drops. Yeah, he dropped some touchdowns, but most of those were only going to be touchdowns because he's so good at getting open deep in the first place. That doesn't cancel out all the deep touchdowns he scored, and he brought a certain gravity to the field that helped others get open even when he was just a decoy. IMO he's still better than a so-called deep threat with much better hands who barely even gets open.


My take is what we last saw of Cobb and Amari was two backend of the roster guys filling essentially the same role and under-performing even there. There's little speed and elusiveness in either guys game, at least by what I saw. Cobb once had both, but Father Time seems to have caught up with him. At least he has the craft to find the occasional and situational open spot on the field. If he's covered by a quick defender, then he's no help.

To me, and I think others have mentioned this too, Lazard is almost a TE/WR hybrid.

Davante has world class elusiveness and top end speed, but of course, that makes him a marked man.

Also obviously, at this date, there's no burner on the roster, if MVS is gone. Malik Taylor's still on the roster, but he's another JAG, with some speed. Given the tight cap, the need for speed probably can only be filled via the draft this year.


Well said. Cobb or Amari by themselves on the roster would be ok. To have them both another year is redundant. Does any other team in the league have 2 small & slow receivers? I know Gute wants receivers that can block but little guys should be burners. They should run reverses, return punts and take the top off the defense.
Get us someone dynamic Gute!
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1282 » by MoMM » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:06 pm

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The Packers gave new punter Pat O’Donnell a two-year, $4 million contract. It includes a $950,000 roster bonus and a total guarantee of $1.6 million.

:crazy:


That type of money signals he's probably the guy and not some camp body. There goes the Araiza dream... :nonono:

Pat O'Donnell? We signed Pat O'Connor too...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/pat-oconnor-21992/

Damn, this is confusing!!!
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1283 » by M-C-G » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:06 pm

Swan Vox wrote:I guess I don’t understand this from a money prospective, but like MD said, maybe he’s a great holder? He winter-tested in Chicago, so I guess there’s that.


This dude has never even been in the top half of Y/P in the last 4 seasons. So yeah, better be the worlds greatest holder to warrant this or maybe he is super great with pinning opponents inside the 20, but this doesn't really give me any confidence that we have a plan to not have **** ST again this year.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1284 » by coolhandluke121 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:19 pm

I'm much more worried about blocking, returns, and coverage than I am about actual kicking and punting. The marginal differences of a higher percentage of missed fg's and shorter punts will definitely add up, don't get me wrong, but I just want to avoid the absolute back-breakers on special teams. That alone would be a huge improvement, even if the actual kicking and punting are bad.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1285 » by Treebeard » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:23 pm

MoMM wrote:
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The Packers gave new punter Pat O’Donnell a two-year, $4 million contract. It includes a $950,000 roster bonus and a total guarantee of $1.6 million.

:crazy:


That type of money signals he's probably the guy and not some camp body. There goes the Araiza dream... :nonono:

Pat O'Donnell? We signed Pat O'Connor too...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/pat-oconnor-21992/

Damn, this is confusing!!!


O'Connor as a Lancaster replacement?
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1286 » by coolhandluke121 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:24 pm

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My take is what we last saw of Cobb and Amari was two backend of the roster guys filling essentially the same role and under-performing even there. There's little speed and elusiveness in either guys game, at least by what I saw. Cobb once had both, but Father Time seems to have caught up with him. At least he has the craft to find the occasional and situational open spot on the field. If he's covered by a quick defender, then he's no help.



Well said. Cobb or Amari by themselves on the roster would be ok. To have them both another year is redundant. Does any other team in the league have 2 small & slow receivers? I know Gute wants receivers that can block but little guys should be burners. They should run reverses, return punts and take the top off the defense.
Get us someone dynamic Gute!


I think Amari is a just a sunk cost. Put it on the bad side of Gute's ledger by all means, but I don't think it can be allowed to affect your grade of the Cobb deal. The difference in his salary and his dead cap is almost negligible. The upside obviously isn't great either, but it's more than worth the net cost, which is what, $250k or something? I honestly think he's still faster than Amari when healthy.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1287 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:41 pm

I think a legitimately great punter can be a field-tilting weapon and pays off on the margins more than people realize. The money's whatever. I just thought that you could have either kept Bojo or gone out and got a better guy.

He's never graded out as anything more than a mediocre dude in both distance and accuracy. The fact that we have to target guys with "placeholding" skills is kind of embarrassing. Why we can't just coach a guy up instead, is beyond me.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1288 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:26 pm

I'm **** furious.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1289 » by Profound23 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:46 pm

MoMM wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:
ReddRum wrote:Rob Demovsky
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The Packers gave new punter Pat O’Donnell a two-year, $4 million contract. It includes a $950,000 roster bonus and a total guarantee of $1.6 million.

:crazy:


That type of money signals he's probably the guy and not some camp body. There goes the Araiza dream... :nonono:

Pat O'Donnell? We signed Pat O'Connor too...
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/pat-oconnor-21992/

Damn, this is confusing!!!



It is St. Patty's Day!

Honestly, not sure about O'Donnell. He did not impress me in the Bears games and from what I remember there are a lot of line drives.

Hopefully, I am wrong. Now go get a long snapper who can actually hold the door......Hodor.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1290 » by Mags FTW » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:52 pm

Is having the awareness to side-step the free rusher and throwing a Hail Mary to a gunner when it's obvious your punt is about to get blocked a thing? It should be.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1291 » by Treebeard » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:56 pm

Is it possible the contract wires are crossed? The contract numbers shown for punter O'Connell is what is listed on Sportstrac for DE O'Connor. (kudos to MoMM for that find)

Several recent media postings say no contract numbers were given for O'Connell :-?
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1292 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:15 pm

They should definitely draft some pass catchers. I don't really view that as an area that they can afford to spend much money. Adams is going to continue to get a **** ton of targets and both Dillion and Jones need opportunities both running and catching. There just isn't the targets available to justify spending on the 2-5 WR group IMO.

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1293 » by stillgotgame » Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:16 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:I'm **** furious.


You’ve had a rough couple days. Damn.

Sucks when a professional football team is worried so much about the frikkin holder that we give away field position. High school level stuff.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1294 » by Big Dog Yank » Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:57 pm

Treebeard wrote:Is it possible the contract wires are crossed? The contract numbers shown for punter O'Connell is what is listed on Sportstrac for DE O'Connor. (kudos to MoMM for that find)

Several recent media postings say no contract numbers were given for O'Connell :-?


I think you may be onto something here...or maybe it's just wishful thinking.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1295 » by Matches Malone » Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:19 pm

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Post#1296 » by Ryan5UW » Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:31 pm

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1297 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:32 pm

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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1298 » by ReasonablySober » Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:34 pm

The Raiders are giving up #22 and more.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Campbell Back - 5/50 

Post#1299 » by sdn40 » Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:34 pm

Now that's a trade that makes sense.
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Re: Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders 

Post#1300 » by WeekapaugGroove » Thu Mar 17, 2022 11:35 pm

I'm very surprised.

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