When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

basketballRob · Post #921 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:41 pm

tiderulz wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
tiderulz wrote:how did you get that?
He's already doing full-contact and just needs a long ramp. These are facts. What you're talking about is speculation.

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if he was up to full contact, why couldnt he do that with the team? get in a few games. and he has had plenty of a long ramp

Fultz had full-contact for months before he was playing in games. They have no pressure to win so why rush it?

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basketballRob · Post #922 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 4:43 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
tiderulz wrote:how did you get that?
He's already doing full-contact and just needs a long ramp. These are facts. What you're talking about is speculation.

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Well, the fact is that he's not doing full contact 5v5 with the team at practice - I think the speculation is that he'll be good to go for training camp since he still needs to improve to get there. It's a pretty likely assumption because at that point something would've had to have gone terribly wrong to not be a full participant after 24 months of rehab - but it's still speculation.

He's doing 5 vs 5 in the half-court as far as I know. Are you breaking some news?

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Magic_Kingdom · Post #923 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:10 pm

basketballRob wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:
basketballRob wrote:He's already doing full-contact and just needs a long ramp. These are facts. What you're talking about is speculation.

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Well, the fact is that he's not doing full contact 5v5 with the team at practice - I think the speculation is that he'll be good to go for training camp since he still needs to improve to get there. It's a pretty likely assumption because at that point something would've had to have gone terribly wrong to not be a full participant after 24 months of rehab - but it's still speculation.
He's doing 5 vs 5 in the half-court as far as I know. Are you breaking some news?

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I listened to the whole Isaac interview and I heard him say that he was doing "some contact work" in the half-court. It seems like you are the one breaking news by adding "5-on-5" and "full-contact" to what the man said.

I swear basketballRob is an Isaac burner account. Every single discussion about JI includes these weird, irrational arguments supported by made-up facts. I just don't understand the point -- it seems like you are constantly promoting some narrative that he is absolutely fine and we're all being alarmists because we don't like JI? I honestly don't get it.

JBSouthpaw · Post #924 » by **JBSouthpaw** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 5:53 pm

Magic_Kingdom wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:
Well, the fact is that he's not doing full contact 5v5 with the team at practice - I think the speculation is that he'll be good to go for training camp since he still needs to improve to get there. It's a pretty likely assumption because at that point something would've had to have gone terribly wrong to not be a full participant after 24 months of rehab - but it's still speculation.
He's doing 5 vs 5 in the half-court as far as I know. Are you breaking some news?

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I listened to the whole Isaac interview and I heard him say that he was doing "some contact work" in the half-court. It seems like you are the one breaking news by adding "5-on-5" and "full-contact" to what the man said.

I swear basketballRob is an Isaac burner account. Every single discussion about JI includes these weird, irrational arguments supported by made-up facts. I just don't understand the point -- it seems like you are constantly promoting some narrative that he is absolutely fine and we're all being alarmists because we don't like JI? I honestly don't get it.

My thought was from the GM's interview, where he JI was ready, but the ramp up time would finish at the end of the season, so no need to ramp him up.

pepe1991 · Post #925 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:42 pm

basktballRob spent whole October, November, December , January, February proclaiming Isaac is returning "next week" so yea, i would not lose much energy in that debates

basketballRob · Post #926 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:48 pm

Magic_Kingdom wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
swarlesbarkley wrote:
Well, the fact is that he's not doing full contact 5v5 with the team at practice - I think the speculation is that he'll be good to go for training camp since he still needs to improve to get there. It's a pretty likely assumption because at that point something would've had to have gone terribly wrong to not be a full participant after 24 months of rehab - but it's still speculation.
He's doing 5 vs 5 in the half-court as far as I know. Are you breaking some news?

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I listened to the whole Isaac interview and I heard him say that he was doing "some contact work" in the half-court. It seems like you are the one breaking news by adding "5-on-5" and "full-contact" to what the man said.

I swear basketballRob is an Isaac burner account. Every single discussion about JI includes these weird, irrational arguments supported by made-up facts. I just don't understand the point -- it seems like you are constantly promoting some narrative that he is absolutely fine and we're all being alarmists because we don't like JI? I honestly don't get it.

Where does he say it's not 5 on 5. Do you and Swarles have a source? I'm not even sure how you guys come up with this stuff. Is there a type of basketball game that's played with less than 5 on each team?

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basketballRob · Post #927 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:50 pm

pepe1991 wrote:basktballRob spent whole October, November, December , January, February proclaiming Isaac is returning "next week" so yea, i would not lose much energy in that debates

Pepe spent a year saying Dennis Smith Jr was better than Fultz. Plus he said Fultz would never play again and he was just trying to get money for nothing.

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pepe1991 · Post #928 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:57 pm

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:basktballRob spent whole October, November, December , January, February proclaiming Isaac is returning "next week" so yea, i would not lose much energy in that debates
Pepe spent a year saying Dennis Smith Jr was better than Fultz. Plus he said Fultz would never play again and he was just trying to get money for nothing.

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SO... is Isaac comming back next week?

Unlike you, when i'm wrong, i admit it and move on ,and poke fun at myself often.
If i'm you i would be hiding after Bamba 3 years hype that turned into collosal fiasco.

basketballRob · Post #929 » by **basketballRob** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:05 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:basktballRob spent whole October, November, December , January, February proclaiming Isaac is returning "next week" so yea, i would not lose much energy in that debates
Pepe spent a year saying Dennis Smith Jr was better than Fultz. Plus he said Fultz would never play again and he was just trying to get money for nothing.

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SO... is Isaac comming back next week?

Unlike you, when i'm wrong, i admit it and move on ,and poke fun at myself often.
If i'm you i would be hiding after Bamba 3 years hype that turned into collosal fiasco.

That's right according to you Bamba wouldn't be able to play full games because he'd foul out. He wouldn't be able to start because he'd be injured.

Isaac will be back for training camp next season.
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pepe1991 · Post #930 » by **pepe1991** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:20 pm

basketballRob wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
basketballRob wrote:Pepe spent a year saying Dennis Smith Jr was better than Fultz. Plus he said Fultz would never play again and he was just trying to get money for nothing.

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SO... is Isaac comming back next week?

Unlike you, when i'm wrong, i admit it and move on ,and poke fun at myself often.
If i'm you i would be hiding after Bamba 3 years hype that turned into collosal fiasco.
That's right according to you Bamba wouldn't be able to play full games because he'd foul out. He wouldn't be able to start because he'd be injured.

Isaac will be back for training camp next season.
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And you claimed he would be averaging 20 points, 15 rebounds 5 blocks if he gets Vuc PT

I don't want to argue with you nor i care about your opinion, but it's so obvious that you have burning desire to fight everybody who says anything that isn't 100% positive about Isaac just like you fighted everybody who said anything bad about Bamba.

Isaac will be back for training camp next season.

If he doesn't he is probably medically retired anyway, since October of 2022 will mark 26 months since injury occured.

Klay Thompson missed 31 month and in that time period had both ACL tear and achillie tear.

drsd · Post #931 » by **drsd** » Thu Mar 17, 2022 9:40 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:Well, the fact is that he's not doing full contact 5v5 with the team at practice - I think the speculation is that he'll be good to go for training camp since he still needs to improve to get there. It's a pretty likely assumption because at that point something would've had to have gone terribly wrong to not be a full participant after 24 months of rehab - but it's still speculation.

PBO Weltman stated that Isaac is doing full contact in half-court sets. He is not doing anything full court. I interpret that to "Isaac is healthy but not ready" more than anything else.

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LDNMagic90 · Post #932 » by **LDNMagic90** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:38 pm

Read on Twitter

I doubt this is the reason why he is not coming back this season, but he's picked up another injury. I can't read the article because I'm in the UK, but I'm assuming he's picked up this injury whilst doing drills or something?

Tarheel · Post #933 » by **Tarheel** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:42 pm

Shams just tweeted that he'd had surgery on the hamstring, but then deleted.

Don't know if the O-Sen article mentions it as am in the UK and can't access.

Magic_Kingdom · Post #934 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:42 pm

The Magic press release says that Isaac had a "small surgical procedure" for a "minor hamstring injury". I think if you injure your hamstring so badly that you need surgery it's not minor. They typically just rest hamstring injuries.

Weltman's quote: "Obviously, this was unexpected." Really?

LDNMagic90 · Post #935 » by **LDNMagic90** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:43 pm

Tarheel wrote:Shams just tweeted that he'd had surgery on the hamstring, but then deleted.

Don't know if the O-Sen article mentions it as am in the UK and can't access.

Saw that, but yeah he deleted it so I removed it from the original embedded post

Magic_Kingdom · Post #936 » by **Magic_Kingdom** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:44 pm

Tarheel wrote:Shams just tweeted that he'd had surgery on the hamstring, but then deleted.

Don't know if the O-Sen article mentions it as am in the UK and can't access.

The Magic press release confirms he had surgery on the hamstring.

https://www.nba.com/magic/orlando-magic-jonathan-isaac-injury-update-right-hamstring-procedure-20220322?slider=undefined

BDill012 · Post #937 » by **BDill012** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:46 pm

One injury on top of another for JI

cedric76 · Post #938 » by **cedric76** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 2:51 pm

This really sucks :-(

PrimeThyme · Post #939 » by **PrimeThyme** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:02 pm

It turns out, after all this time, this wasn’t some 8D grand chess move on Weltman’s part to improve our lottery chances. I know that will be really shocking for some considering his brilliance.

Many of us have remained steady with our posts all year speculating that he suffered some sort of setback. It seemed obvious, even if our GM felt the need to keep fans of the team in complete darkness and act like he hadn’t.

With that being said, this is a disaster scenario for Isaac. Another injury to add to his long list. He doesn’t have the body for high level basketball, the proof of that dates all the way back to high school. I think it’s pretty much over people.

The best thing to do would probably be to cut our losses bar this point but Weltman with his foolish pride would never do it.

Spoiler:

3ddman23 · Post #940 » by **3ddman23** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 3:02 pm

Wow, I'm honestly so over this guy. Let's just keep it moving I don't factor him into the future anymore.