Are darkskin nba players graded on a curve more than lightskin nba players by the nba media?

HardenandWilt · Post #1 » by **HardenandWilt** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:21 am

So just got done listening to the ringer and the lowe podcast with zach lowe and windhorst... and they lit into james harden and dismissed embiid for mvp. It seems like the nba media who votes on all-nba and mvp selections seems to be bias in favor of lightskin or not fully dark nba players. For instance we saw this play out in 2019 in the harden vs giannis mvp race when i figured skintone played more of a role in that mvp race. My suspicions were confirmed when 3 years later steph curry went insane in 2021 and averaged 32.1 ppg.. but despite not making the playoffs was still seemingly almost given mvp over jokic. You mean too tell me if stephen curry averaged 36 and was the 4th seed in the west with all the injuries that the rockets had that year curry( who is lightskin) wouldnt have won mvp over giannis.

Other instances where skintone i felt played a part
brogdon winning roty over embiid
simmons winning roty over spida mitchell

it seems that this year the media was in a hurry to sort of plant steph curry above ja and derozan for 1st team all-nba. But steph currys injury ruined their plan, now they have to include james harden on their all-nba selections.. RIGHT, they did not last year and james harden was incredible in 2021

I remember when brian windhorst who is an nba voter said he would vote fred van vleet over james harden for all-star game.

whats my fix to solving this, these awards should be computer generated by basketball reference. No different than the way basketball reference has their mvp tracker

HardenandWilt · Post #2 » by **HardenandWilt** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:22 am

also the myth that stephen curry is punished because he is lightskin. That maybe true by his peers, but it is certainly not true when it comes to awards and accolades.. the 2015 finals mvp race had iggy rightsfully win because when iggy was on the court the stats showed that the warriors were a plus 10 points better than the cavs

tripa · Post #3 » by **tripa** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:33 am

The average RealGM poster isn't mature enough for this conversation. Might as well lock this up now. Colorism is too deep.

whatisacenter · Post #4 » by **whatisacenter** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:36 am

tripa wrote:The average RealGM poster isn't mature enough for this conversation. Might as well lock this up now. Colorism is too deep.

some of the truest words on RealGM.

rate_ · Post #5 » by **rate_** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:37 am

I do agree that darker skinned players generally are more demonized in NBA/sports. But, this thread will be locked up 100% because they won't admit it.

bradybunch · Post #6 » by **bradybunch** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:45 am

Are white players graded based on their athleticism potential or their actual talent?

I've seen a lot of very capable white players sit the bench or forced to Europe because they didn't have athleticism potential, but had plenty of basketball skill.

Tracymcgoaty · Post #7 » by **Tracymcgoaty** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:46 am

rate_ wrote:I do agree that darker skinned players generally are more demonized in NBA/sports. But, this thread will be locked up 100% because they won't admit it.

Are we talking about fans or higher up than that?

Because if we are talking fans i 100% agree and it's especially evident in Football/Soccer.

Media i would say it depends on what country we are talking about i guess.

I think if you look at Italy and it's treatment of Balotelli it's quite clear that the media disliked him. so much that they dismissed any racist abuse towards him.

Lockdown504090 · Post #8 » by **Lockdown504090** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:47 am

i would love to have this convo on reddit, not here. ill say this. Its like eminem, the critical acclaim comes at the cost of the "cultural" acclaim. I wish it wasnt the case, but its reality. I try my best not to see it, but when i look at Ja morant i see a guy who got it out the mud like i did, when i see curry, i see the kid we were all jealous of.... Still love his game. its not as pronounced with players anymore, but steph really had to prove himself to his peers more than other players would have with his talent and success.

Tracymcgoaty · Post #9 » by **Tracymcgoaty** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:54 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:i would love to have this convo on reddit, not here. ill say this. Its like eminem, the critical acclaim comes at the cost of the "cultural" acclaim. I wish it wasnt the case, but its reality. I try my best not to see it, but when i look at Ja morant i see a guy who got it out the mud like i did, when i see curry, i see the kid we were all jealous of.... Still love his game. its not as pronounced with players anymore, but steph really had to prove himself to his peers more than other players would have with his talent and success.

I remember Kobe telling Clarkson that he's going to the hole like a light skin lol. I guess there is an underlying feeling that Light skin = Weak??

Maybe im off here.

VanWest82 · Post #10 » by **VanWest82** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 2:59 am

It cuts both ways though. Case and point: Jokic finished 2nd in the most recent media poll for MVP largely due to being completely left off a number of ballots despite being the runaway leader in most advanced metrics. So you have the natural bias and the unnatural backlash.

Lockdown504090 · Post #11 » by **Lockdown504090** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:01 am

Tracymcgoaty wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:i would love to have this convo on reddit, not here. ill say this. Its like eminem, the critical acclaim comes at the cost of the "cultural" acclaim. I wish it wasnt the case, but its reality. I try my best not to see it, but when i look at Ja morant i see a guy who got it out the mud like i did, when i see curry, i see the kid we were all jealous of.... Still love his game. its not as pronounced with players anymore, but steph really had to prove himself to his peers more than other players would have with his talent and success.

I remember Kobe telling Clarkson that he's going to the hole like a light skin lol. I guess there is an underlying feeling that Light skin = Weak??

Maybe im off here.

yes, but because the assumption is that dark skinned people have to be tougher. lightskinned people just get treated better, its not just a black thing, its every race that has a caste system.... difference is that ours is based in reality because lightskinned slaves got easier work to do than the dark ones. its more complicated than that, but we really need to get away from letting colonizers be the basis of our culture.

Saint Lazarus · Post #12 » by **Saint Lazarus** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:10 am

Jesus what is this thread

Optms · Post #13 » by **Optms** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:10 am

Curry was not "almost" given the MVP in 2021. Jokic's MVP was close to unanimous.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/awards/awards_2021.html

I can easily reverse this and say that because Jokic is a WHITE man, that he took more votes away from players who should have gotten more votes but I will not go there. Because I don't buy any of it. There is no evidence for this. And several things contradict the argument. Light vs Darker shade of skin tones plays no role into how the media generally votes or passes judgement on players. Jordan was dark AF and he is widely regarded as the GOAT and is adored by everyone. I can give countless examples as well all night. So the answer to the question is no. Darker players are not judged more on a curve based on their skin.

Tracymcgoaty · Post #14 » by **Tracymcgoaty** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:10 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:
Tracymcgoaty wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:i would love to have this convo on reddit, not here. ill say this. Its like eminem, the critical acclaim comes at the cost of the "cultural" acclaim. I wish it wasnt the case, but its reality. I try my best not to see it, but when i look at Ja morant i see a guy who got it out the mud like i did, when i see curry, i see the kid we were all jealous of.... Still love his game. its not as pronounced with players anymore, but steph really had to prove himself to his peers more than other players would have with his talent and success.

I remember Kobe telling Clarkson that he's going to the hole like a light skin lol. I guess there is an underlying feeling that Light skin = Weak??

Maybe im off here.

yes, but because the assumption is that dark skinned people have to be tougher. lightskinned people just get treated better, its not just a black thing, its every race that has a caste system.... difference is that ours is based in reality because lightskinned slaves got easier work to do than the dark ones. its more complicated than that, but we really need to get away from letting colonizers be the basis of our culture.

I believe China were obsessed with skin back in the days as well if not still. Where you could tell what caste someone was just by their skin color. Darker skin tone usually meant you were a farmer or laborer and worked outside in the sun. And whiter skin mean't you were royalty spending their time inside away from the sun.

When i traveled around asia i used to see droves of people with their umbrellas up with the sun boiling hot. Never understood it until i read up on it.

Prestige · Post #15 » by **Prestige** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:20 am

It has more to do with having a clean-cut image and marketability than straight up skin tone. And likely the physical attractiveness of a player.

Pachinko_ · Post #16 » by **Pachinko_** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:20 am

I must admit it took me a while to realise you're talking about shades of dark skin between black people. I had no idea this was a thing (probably tells you how sheltered my life has been)

SinceGatlingWasARookie · Post #17 » by **SinceGatlingWasARookie** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:24 am

Lockdown504090 wrote:i would love to have this convo on reddit, not here. ill say this. Its like eminem, the critical acclaim comes at the cost of the "cultural" acclaim. I wish it wasnt the case, but its reality. I try my best not to see it, but when i look at Ja morant i see a guy who got it out the mud like i did, when i see curry, i see the kid we were all jealous of.... Still love his game. its not as pronounced with players anymore, but steph really had to prove himself to his peers more than other players would have with his talent and success.

No downvoting here.

Are you saying reddit is a more mature group or that self censorship from fear of a possible downvote is a good thing?

joeschmo · Post #18 » by **joeschmo** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:27 am

This is a racist thread that should be locked. Its offensive to people with darker skin and screams of trolling.

GreatWhiteStiff · Post #19 » by **GreatWhiteStiff** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:29 am

Is every thread you start some sort of bizarre agenda against steph curry?

sunless01 · Post #20 » by **sunless01** » Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:38 am

Tracymcgoaty wrote:
Lockdown504090 wrote:i would love to have this convo on reddit, not here. ill say this. Its like eminem, the critical acclaim comes at the cost of the "cultural" acclaim. I wish it wasnt the case, but its reality. I try my best not to see it, but when i look at Ja morant i see a guy who got it out the mud like i did, when i see curry, i see the kid we were all jealous of.... Still love his game. its not as pronounced with players anymore, but steph really had to prove himself to his peers more than other players would have with his talent and success.

I remember Kobe telling Clarkson that he's going to the hole like a light skin lol.

lol thats pretty funny