Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[dshearn]

Saw someone post a shot chart of Booker and Mitchell in the GB thread in argument of how Donovan Mitchell isn't a 3 level scorer and I wanted to see how Herro compares to both of them.

Spoiler:

Could make a thread out of this, very interesting.


Herro is holding his own somewhere in the middle. If you value more volume from 3 it is hard to argue against Herro's volume from anywhere beyond the arch.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Booker is a mid range assassin. It was like a month ago but I saw something showing he shot 70%-80% from mid range in the clutch

Jimmy and Bam will shut that **** down in the finals. Bam for DPOY

[BenoUdrihFTL]

Breaking down those 3 SGs shot selection:

Mitchell
51.8% 2pt rate making 53.6%
48.2% 3pt rate making 35.9%
21.6% FT rate making 84.1%
57.4% TS

Booker
65.0% 2pt rate making 49.9%
35.0% 3pt rate making 37.6%
23.2% FT rate making 86.6%
56.5% TS

Herro
60.7% 2pt rate making 47.5%
39.3% 3pt rate making 39.3%
19.8% FT rate making 86.7%
55.8% TS

Herro is right at the doorstep of these other guys. He and Spo just need to focus on cutting down the low % midrangers

[IceColdCubano]

Breaking down those 3 SGs shot selection:

Mitchell
51.8% 2pt rate making 53.6%
48.2% 3pt rate making 35.9%
21.6% FT rate making 84.1%
57.4% TS

Booker
65.0% 2pt rate making 49.9%
35.0% 3pt rate making 37.6%
23.2% FT rate making 86.6%
56.5% TS

Herro
60.7% 2pt rate making 47.5%
39.3% 3pt rate making 39.3%
19.8% FT rate making 86.7%
55.8% TS

Herro is right at the doorstep of these other guys. He and Spo just need to focus on cutting down the low % midrangers

Just looking at the above, Herro is closer to Booker's shot selection than Mitchell's. Herro has a higher 3pt rate than booker and hits at at a higher clip than both Booker & Mitchell. He needs to elevate his FT rate, because he is also shooting a higher % than them as well there. Herro is literally underperforming those guys at the rim, and midrange but by very little percentage.

[twix2500]

Breaking down those 3 SGs shot selection:

Mitchell
51.8% 2pt rate making 53.6%
48.2% 3pt rate making 35.9%
21.6% FT rate making 84.1%
57.4% TS

Booker
65.0% 2pt rate making 49.9%
35.0% 3pt rate making 37.6%
23.2% FT rate making 86.6%
56.5% TS

Herro
60.7% 2pt rate making 47.5%
39.3% 3pt rate making 39.3%
19.8% FT rate making 86.7%
55.8% TS

Herro is right at the doorstep of these other guys. He and Spo just need to focus on cutting down the low % midrangers

if you look at Herro shot chart his strength is 3 pt shooting and midrangers. He struggles around the rim. Ideally you want the player to shoot where he is more efficient.


Green = Highly efficient
Orange = Good efficiency
Red = Low efficiency

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[somerandomdude]

Cavs lost, Raps won.

Next opponents:

Raps -> Lakers
Cavs -> Nuggets

Raps lost, Cavs won

[dshearn]

Breaking down those 3 SGs shot selection:

Mitchell
51.8% 2pt rate making 53.6%
48.2% 3pt rate making 35.9%
21.6% FT rate making 84.1%
57.4% TS

Booker
65.0% 2pt rate making 49.9%
35.0% 3pt rate making 37.6%
23.2% FT rate making 86.6%
56.5% TS

Herro
60.7% 2pt rate making 47.5%
39.3% 3pt rate making 39.3%
19.8% FT rate making 86.7%
55.8% TS

Herro is right at the doorstep of these other guys. He and Spo just need to focus on cutting down the low % midrangers

if you look at Herro shot chart his strength is 3 pt shooting and midrangers. He struggles around the rim. Ideally you want the player to shoot where he is more efficient.


Green = Highly efficient
Orange = Good efficiency
Red = Low efficiency

Regarding those areas marked in red, It is worth pointing out that his Low efficiency at the rim is 3% below league average. The stuff beyond the free throw line is 20% below league average. That really is a crap shot for Tyler.

The other stuff including some of the rim stuff is Tyler still working on his offhand shooting.... i think.


I really don't look at the other two shot charts and get envious, Tyler already looks great and we are watching him ascend before our very eyes.

[somerandomdude]

I'm not big into defensive stats, but some of you guys might find it interesting.

Herro is #4 among SGs in Def. Rating.

And I bet it'd be better if he played with the starters, where our best defenders are all stacked.

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/top-sg-defensive-rating-2022

[somerandomdude]

There are people who believe this guy knows anything about basketball

Head clown of Heat Twitter

[puppa bear]

There are people who believe this guy knows anything about basketball

Head clown of Heat Twitter

So he implies our role players (eg Duncan, Caleb, Strus) are playing well because Spo has put them in the right system and he’s a clown?

There’s a reason why some of these guys were undrafted and/or released: they don’t fit every team. Our FO has done an amazing job finding the low-risk, low-cost gems that fit the Heat and Spo has done a great job maximising many of them.

We have some All-Star level talents and we have a bunch of system guys. That’s the perfect way to construct an NBA roster.

[RexBoyWonder]

Saw someone post a shot chart of Booker and Mitchell in the GB thread in argument of how Donovan Mitchell isn't a 3 level scorer and I wanted to see how Herro compares to both of them.

Spoiler:

Very interesting stuff, this meets the eye test - Herro is a great shooter and the area he needs to focus on his finishing in the paint and getting to the line more.

He's been extremely impressive lately, I keep getting surprised by how easily he gets to his spots.

Defense and paint finishing are the areas to work on going forward. He has great guys to learn from in both area with Lowry and Jimmy.

[Tony15]

There are people who believe this guy knows anything about basketball

Head clown of Heat Twitter

So he implies our role players (eg Duncan, Caleb, Strus) are playing well because Spo has put them in the right system and he’s a clown?

There’s a reason why some of these guys were undrafted and/or released: they don’t fit every team. Our FO has done an amazing job finding the low-risk, low-cost gems that fit the Heat and Spo has done a great job maximising many of them.

We have some All-Star level talents and we have a bunch of system guys. That’s the perfect way to construct an NBA roster.

Any particular reason you're sidestepping the obvious? Clear omission from homeboys list is Herro. Either he's being purposefully obtuse and trying to troll, or just doesn't know any better. And anyway, too early in Herros career to determine if he's a product of system or not imo.....playoffs are on the horizon. We'll have a better idea then.

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[rate_]

Anyone thinking Herro is a byproduct of the system must be blind. He is the system. Majority of his FG makes this season are unassisted, meaning he's creating his scoring most of the time; that's how you know if a player is truly a byproduct of the system or not.

[twix2500]

Its interesting but worrisome that the Heat are still experimenting with different lineups this late in the season. How many games is enough to have the core players play with each other before the playoffs?

[al bondiga]

There are people who believe this guy knows anything about basketball

Head clown of Heat Twitter

So he implies our role players (eg Duncan, Caleb, Strus) are playing well because Spo has put them in the right system and he’s a clown?

There’s a reason why some of these guys were undrafted and/or released: they don’t fit every team. Our FO has done an amazing job finding the low-risk, low-cost gems that fit the Heat and Spo has done a great job maximising many of them.

We have some All-Star level talents and we have a bunch of system guys. That’s the perfect way to construct an NBA roster.

people who think other people imply, are ninety-nine percent of the time wrong

[carnageta]

Its interesting but worrisome that the Heat are still experimenting with different lineups this late in the season. How many games is enough to have the core players play with each other before the playoffs?

We experimented a lot in the 2019-2020 season as well. In fact, Spo even went as far as changing the starting lineup the very first game of the postseason that year (inserting in Dragic; removing Nunn).

I don't think the changes are ideal either, but Spo's philosophy is built around adaptability and the players understand that, which is why I'm not too worried.

[BenoUdrihFTL]

This is interesting. I've been arguing on and off all season with Hawks fans on the GB who've been trying to play off their shambles season as due to injuries/covid lmao

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[Bishop45]

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At this point I've settled with the reality that it won't happen

[Kobewade11]

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At this point I've settled with the reality that it won't happen

Same. And its a shame because I really believe Bam could be a top 5-10 player in this league if he had a more aggressive mentality. As it stands he’s pretty close to his peak I guess which is a 20/10 perennial dpoy candidate. Not bad but there’s no way someone with his athletic profile and skill shouldn’t be able to get 25-26 a night.