Who comes back??

[bigfoot]

Suns have a lot of players under contract for the 22/23 season. CP3, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Payne, Johnson, Craig, Shamet, and Saric are the nine returning players.

Curious what posters think about the probability of each player not under contract is to be re-signed by the Suns.

Ayton
McGee
Kaminsky
Holiday
Payton
Biyombo
Wainwright
Gabriel Lundberg

FYI Suns don't have a draft pick in 2022 so technically everyone could be back.

[Qwigglez]

Too early to have a good feel on what's to come. But I'm hoping Ayton, McGee, Holiday, Biyombo come back. I could see Frank coming back on a vets minimum as likely no other team will take him and the Suns have to fill the roster anyway. So pretty much everyone

[bwgood77]

I think they will probably bring Holiday back unless someone wants to offer him a lot of money. Possibly Ayton, but I also think they'd prefer to spend $10-$15 million less on a more middle of the road C so they can keep some of the peripheral guys like Shamet, Craig and possibly Saric. I think they'd bring onlly one of McGee or Biyombo back if they are near the minimum, especially if they are keeping Saric, since he's had a lot of good games at backup C. He's been bad too but then you would have the other big. He gives us a bit of a different look too. If they do let Ayton go maybe they could somehow try to get Holmes. If they could do Craig and Shamet for Holmes and filler that would give us a pretty good starting C.

[Mulhollanddrive]

I would do:

Paul, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton
Payne, Holiday, Craig, Johnson, McGee
Biyombo

Let Go - Payton, Kaminsky
Salary Dump - Shamet, Saric

With that we're looking at a luxury tax bill of around $25m which should be doable for a contender.

[RaisingArizona]

I would do:

Paul, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton
Payne, Holiday, Craig, Johnson, McGee
Biyombo

Let Go - Payton, Kaminsky
Salary Dump - Shamet, Saric

With that we're looking at a luxury tax bill of around $25m which should be doable for a contender.

Yeah, this.

[pj0tr]

I would do:

Paul, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton
Payne, Holiday, Craig, Johnson, McGee
Biyombo

Let Go - Payton, Kaminsky
Salary Dump - Shamet, Saric

With that we're looking at a luxury tax bill of around $25m which should be doable for a contender.

Agree with this.

I think 2023 is a Run-it-back situation one more time with this core group of supporting pieces around CP3, Book, Ayton, Bridges, and Johnson, and then 2024 is where you'll see significant changes to the supporting cast.

[ImNotMcDiSwear]

I would do:

Paul, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton
Payne, Holiday, Craig, Johnson, McGee
Biyombo

Let Go - Payton, Kaminsky
Salary Dump - Shamet, Saric

With that we're looking at a luxury tax bill of around $25m which should be doable for a contender.

Count me in, too.

We can't give up on Ayton. It'd be punting on our future for the sake of saving $$$. It might be another ten, twenty or even fifty years before we get back to this level if we let Ayton go. Best record in the league and franchise history. We'd be the biggest fools in the world to give it up.

[bwgood77]

Who knows how much McGee and Biyombo get offered though? I think if both Cs take the minimum or close to we might keep both but if one got $5-$6 milllion or more and one got the minimum, we'd keep the minimum guy. I think Biyombo would probably or at least possibly be a better backup to McGee next year. McGee is getting older and you can tell his minutes are very limited. They could get offered more though...perhaps even if just a 1 year MLE deal from someone. Doubtful but possible. If McGee and Craig both were making around the same and Ayton got close to a max, I can't see them keeping both McGee and Craig when it is amplifyng the tax so much.

[Saberestar]

It's a must to bring back Ayton.

After him there is no real "need" for any of our FAs, but I would like to sign McGee again as a backup C. He would be my first choice between all those role players.

I would try to get Holiday back but on a cheap deal as a fith PG/SG.

Then I would try to sign Kaminsky and Biyombo to minimum deals to give us nice depth at PF/C.

I wouldn't try to sign Payton, Wainright or Lundberg.

[Snacks]

This is actually what I'm here to ask-- Will they bring back Ayton, will your cheap owner prefer something like Mitchel Robinson/ and or Noel--- or do they go for a cheap bandaid at C and bring in a player like Siakam?

[Revived]

I would do:

Paul, Booker, Bridges, Crowder, Ayton
Payne, Holiday, Craig, Johnson, McGee
Biyombo

Let Go - Payton, Kaminsky
Salary Dump - Shamet, Saric

With that we're looking at a luxury tax bill of around $25m which should be doable for a contender.

In a perfect world, yeah this.

But I highly doubt we’ll be able to bring Biyombo back as 3rd string C. He’s shown more than enough to be the backup C somewhere.

With the Wiseman situation being murky for the Warriors, you can almost guarantee the Warriors will go hard after Biyombo next summer to make him their starting C or 2nd string which is already way more mins than he would get here.

I’d love for him to stay though, I love our big man depth it’s such an underrated piece of the team.

[pj0tr]

Who knows how much McGee and Biyombo get offered though? I think if both Cs take the minimum or close to we might keep both but if one got $5-$6 milllion or more and one got the minimum, we'd keep the minimum guy. I think Biyombo would probably or at least possibly be a better backup to McGee next year. McGee is getting older and you can tell his minutes are very limited. They could get offered more though...perhaps even if just a 1 year MLE deal from someone. Doubtful but possible. If McGee and Craig both were making around the same and Ayton got close to a max, I can't see them keeping both McGee and Craig when it is amplifyng the tax so much.

I could see both McGee and Biyombo coming back, especially if they win the title.

McGee loves being in Phoenix, and I'd guess the same for Biyombo. Both are great locker room guys.

[SkyBill40]

I don't see them dumping Shamet's salary even though doing so would be beneficial since he's not been remotely close to the player he's being paid to be.

Saric is probably a casualty and no matter how good his rehab may have progressed, he's not a fit any for this team. Kaminsky is likely gone as well despite him being a nice fit here and a skilled big man in the cheap.

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[lonea]

If Sarver sells the team, everybody is coming back

[Biff]

Hopefully not Sarver.

[pj0tr]

I don't see them dumping Shamet's salary even though doing so would be beneficial since he's not been remotely close to the player he's being paid to be.

Saric is probably a casualty and no matter how good his rehab may have progressed, he's not a fit any for this team. Kaminsky is likely gone as well despite him being a nice fit here and a skilled big man in the cheap.

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Disagree on Saric. Saric is an excellent fit on this team with his ability to stretch the floor as a 5 (and even a 4 in certain matchups), as well as his passing. And not only on this team, his skillset is very valuable in the NBA. Could see a situation where they either trade him prior to the deadline, or keep him next season on his contract, which is very team friendly.

Kaminsky I agree with. Just don't think hes back again, since I think McGee and/or Biyombo potentially return on the vet minimum.

[bwgood77]

I don't see them dumping Shamet's salary even though doing so would be beneficial since he's not been remotely close to the player he's being paid to be.

Saric is probably a casualty and no matter how good his rehab may have progressed, he's not a fit any for this team. Kaminsky is likely gone as well despite him being a nice fit here and a skilled big man in the cheap.

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Disagree on Saric. Saric is an excellent fit on this team with his ability to stretch the floor as a 5 (and even a 4 in certain matchups), as well as his passing. And not only on this team, his skillset is very valuable in the NBA. Could see a situation where they either trade him prior to the deadline, or keep him next season on his contract, which is very team friendly.

Kaminsky I agree with. Just don't think hes back again, since I think McGee and/or Biyombo potentially return on the vet minimum.

I imagine we will need to cut or stretch 2 of Craig, Saric and Shamet. Saric may come down to who we are able to sign for minimum or close to (or re-sign). Our more effective backup Cs are a fraction of his cost.

Shamet has been playing well, which is good for multiple reasons. He is more tradable for one.

But remember these contracts are the ones that put us into the tax (assuming we list players in order of importance) so their real cost is like 3x their contract amount (so Shamet and Saric cost us more like $27 million and Craig $18 million). It's actually more like $3.25 I think, at least at some point so it could be more like $30 million cost for first two and $20 for Craig.

[pj0tr]

I don't see them dumping Shamet's salary even though doing so would be beneficial since he's not been remotely close to the player he's being paid to be.

Saric is probably a casualty and no matter how good his rehab may have progressed, he's not a fit any for this team. Kaminsky is likely gone as well despite him being a nice fit here and a skilled big man in the cheap.

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Disagree on Saric. Saric is an excellent fit on this team with his ability to stretch the floor as a 5 (and even a 4 in certain matchups), as well as his passing. And not only on this team, his skillset is very valuable in the NBA. Could see a situation where they either trade him prior to the deadline, or keep him next season on his contract, which is very team friendly.

Kaminsky I agree with. Just don't think hes back again, since I think McGee and/or Biyombo potentially return on the vet minimum.

I imagine we will need to cut or stretch 2 of Craig, Saric and Shamet. Saric may come down to who we are able to sign for minimum or close to (or re-sign). Our more effective backup Cs are a fraction of his cost.

Shamet has been playing well, which is good for multiple reasons. He is more tradable for one.

But remember these contracts are the ones that put us into the tax (assuming we list players in order of importance) so their real cost is like 3x their contract amount (so Shamet and Saric cost us more like $27 million and Craig $18 million). It's actually more like $3.25 I think, at least at some point so it could be more like $30 million cost for first two and $20 for Craig.

Agree, but remember, Saric provides skills McGee and Biyombo don't with his passing ability and ability to shoot the 3.

[Saberestar]

I don't see them dumping Shamet's salary even though doing so would be beneficial since he's not been remotely close to the player he's being paid to be.

Saric is probably a casualty and no matter how good his rehab may have progressed, he's not a fit any for this team. Kaminsky is likely gone as well despite him being a nice fit here and a skilled big man in the cheap.

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Disagree on Saric. Saric is an excellent fit on this team with his ability to stretch the floor as a 5 (and even a 4 in certain matchups), as well as his passing. And not only on this team, his skillset is very valuable in the NBA. Could see a situation where they either trade him prior to the deadline, or keep him next season on his contract, which is very team friendly.

Kaminsky I agree with. Just don't think hes back again, since I think McGee and/or Biyombo potentially return on the vet minimum.

I imagine we will need to cut or stretch 2 of Craig, Saric and Shamet. Saric may come down to who we are able to sign for minimum or close to (or re-sign). Our more effective backup Cs are a fraction of his cost.

Shamet has been playing well, which is good for multiple reasons. He is more tradable for one.

But remember these contracts are the ones that put us into the tax (assuming we list players in order of importance) so their real cost is like 3x their contract amount (so Shamet and Saric cost us more like $27 million and Craig $18 million). It's actually more like $3.25 I think, at least at some point so it could be more like $30 million cost for first two and $20 for Craig.

The Suns are not trading Shamet just after his extension.

At his age and with his skillset he is a nice fit next to our strong core. He can play next to Booker on the backcourt or next to CP3/Payne.

I can see James Jones trading Saric + 2nd (or Craig) to a team that can absorb his salary. But I wouldn't be surprised if we retain most of the team and Sarver pays a big luxury tax.

[bwgood77]

Disagree on Saric. Saric is an excellent fit on this team with his ability to stretch the floor as a 5 (and even a 4 in certain matchups), as well as his passing. And not only on this team, his skillset is very valuable in the NBA. Could see a situation where they either trade him prior to the deadline, or keep him next season on his contract, which is very team friendly.

Kaminsky I agree with. Just don't think hes back again, since I think McGee and/or Biyombo potentially return on the vet minimum.

I imagine we will need to cut or stretch 2 of Craig, Saric and Shamet. Saric may come down to who we are able to sign for minimum or close to (or re-sign). Our more effective backup Cs are a fraction of his cost.

Shamet has been playing well, which is good for multiple reasons. He is more tradable for one.

But remember these contracts are the ones that put us into the tax (assuming we list players in order of importance) so their real cost is like 3x their contract amount (so Shamet and Saric cost us more like $27 million and Craig $18 million). It's actually more like $3.25 I think, at least at some point so it could be more like $30 million cost for first two and $20 for Craig.

Agree, but remember, Saric provides skills McGee and Biyombo don't with his passing ability and ability to shoot the 3.

Oh, I agree, but how important is that given how well we've played? He was not playing well a lot of last year and who knows what he will look like after injury?

I doubt this is possible but if we could stretch and re-sign to minimum that would be ideal.