Packers 2022 Offseason Thread - Adams Traded to Raiders for 2022 1st and 2nd Rd Picks

[th87]

Very weird timing given we have just watched Watson and Wilson get traded, just a year after Stafford was traded and Brady was a FA the year before that both won super bowls.

So trade back for Rodgers (or similar) in two years? What would be the point?

Your argument was franchise qb or no point. I’m demonstrating franchise qbs being acquired. You connect the dots or more likely not.


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I'm specifically discussing your scenario. Trade Rodgers, get a ton of picks, hit on most, and you have a strong QB-less team in 2-3 years. At that point, you can *try* to trade for whoever is on the outs, which itself is a huge variable, because you don't know who worthwhile (if anyone) will be available. And that will cost the equivalent draft capital you got back with Rodgers.

Or you can roll with Rodgers, use the Adams picks to shore up weaknesses, and the cash savings to do the same.

I just don't see the upside in your strategy, which requires more to go right, and you've sacrificed the rest of the current window to pursue it.

[M-C-G]

So trade back for Rodgers (or similar) in two years? What would be the point?

Your argument was franchise qb or no point. I’m demonstrating franchise qbs being acquired. You connect the dots or more likely not.


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I'm specifically discussing your scenario. Trade Rodgers, get a ton of picks, hit on most, and you have a strong QB-less team in 2-3 years. At that point, you can *try* to trade for whoever is on the outs, which itself is a huge variable, because you don't know who worthwhile (if anyone) will be available. And that will cost the equivalent draft capital you got back with Rodgers.

Or you can roll with Rodgers, use the Adams picks to shore up weaknesses, and the cash savings to do the same.

I just don't see the upside in your strategy, which requires more to go right, and you've sacrificed the rest of the current window to pursue it.

Well as you know I am a fan of draft and develop but I mean Watson is 26 and just traded plus there are a number of other franchise qbs that got found in the draft. More art than science for sure but I think if you have picks and a good roster you can close the gap on the franchise qb, albeit easier said than done.


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[MickeyDavis]

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[Wisky4life]

I have a feeling that Julio will sign a 1 year here.

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[paulpressey25]

Any of you have access to productivity stats for rookie WR’s? Feel like it’s low, but could be wrong.

[Gianstoppable]

I'd love Lockett and his contract is nice but his dead cap is really high wouldnt he cut into our entire remaining cap?bor does the trading team pay the signing bonus off?

Id love any of
Lockett
Jarvis
Fuller
Julio (only if cheap)
Armstead
Wagner
Z Smith
Calais Campbell
Fletcher Cox
JC Tretter

[LikeABosh]

Any of you have access to productivity stats for rookie WR’s? Feel like it’s low, but could be wrong.

In the last 5 seasons, there were on average 3-4 rookies with 800 or more yards receiving and among that group, you would expect them to score 6 TD's

So you can definitely get a productive WR but more often than not, it's gonna cost a mid to high 1st.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Any of you have access to productivity stats for rookie WR’s? Feel like it’s low, but could be wrong.

In the last 5 seasons, there were on average 3-4 rookies with 800 or more yards receiving and among that group, you would expect them to score 6 TD's

So you can definitely get a productive WR but more often than not, it's gonna cost a mid to high 1st.

Yeah now that college teams throw more WRs seem to come in more ready. Now the packers/Rodgers specifically haven't had a lot of success with rookie WRs. But part of that is they haven't had to.

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[Daver]

I have a feeling that Julio will sign a 1 year here.

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Give me julio n landry snd use 1 st rounder on wr from usc or ohio state.
I like MVS but not at 10 million for a fut who is basically a jeff Janus 2.0 would bring him back also if not expensive

[humanrefutation]

While it is generally rare to be better off losing an all-time great, HOF talent, I think this is one situation where that could be the case.

For one, the recent evidence on WR production once guys hit 30 is pretty damning. Now, in general, some of HOF greats have bucked that trend, but it's still a possibility that Adams isn't producing anywhere close to his contract for the back half.

Now, that doesn't help us at all for 2022. But that said, if this allows us to retain Douglas, add Juju and/or keep MVS, and draft one or two WR in the first four picks, we could be a better team in 2022.

My biggest complaint with this deal is that if they knew DA wanted out (and from all reports this has been brewing for a while), you need to trade him prior to the WR FA market drying up. Because while draft picks are nice, counting almost exclusively on rookies (and meh talent like Lazard, Cobb, Amari) is a very risky proposition for an "all in" team.

Right now my hope is Juju, MVS, and Olave.

Except that trades weren't allowed prior to 4PM on March 16 (assuming I'm reading this correctly).

2022 NFL Important Dates

Apparently, this deal was dead as of Wednesday before being resurrected on Thursday.

That being said, they could have reached an agreement with a WR without signing on the dotted line until this deal was done.

[Profound23]

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And the #5 pick will get a contract for about 32-35 mil with 20 mil in a signing bonus. So if you do that, you better be 100% right on your pick.

This year's draft has more value later on anyways. I would rather have our two picks than pick #5.

[RRyder823]

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And the #5 pick will get a contract for about 32-35 mil with 20 mil in a signing bonus. So if you do that, you better be 100% right on your pick.

This year's draft has more value later on anyways. I would rather have our two picks than pick #5.

I think you could make a argument for consolidating the 2 seconds into a late 1st if the right guy at the right position is there and ending up with 3 1sts but trading up into the top half of round one just seems like wanting to be aggressive for the sake of being aggressive

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[Treebeard]

While it is generally rare to be better off losing an all-time great, HOF talent, I think this is one situation where that could be the case.

For one, the recent evidence on WR production once guys hit 30 is pretty damning. Now, in general, some of HOF greats have bucked that trend, but it's still a possibility that Adams isn't producing anywhere close to his contract for the back half.

Now, that doesn't help us at all for 2022. But that said, if this allows us to retain Douglas, add Juju and/or keep MVS, and draft one or two WR in the first four picks, we could be a better team in 2022.

My biggest complaint with this deal is that if they knew DA wanted out (and from all reports this has been brewing for a while), you need to trade him prior to the WR FA market drying up. Because while draft picks are nice, counting almost exclusively on rookies (and meh talent like Lazard, Cobb, Amari) is a very risky proposition for an "all in" team.

Right now my hope is Juju, MVS, and Olave.

Except that trades weren't allowed prior to 4PM on March 16 (assuming I'm reading this correctly).

2022 NFL Important Dates

Apparently, this deal was dead as of Wednesday before being resurrected on Thursday.

That being said, they could have reached an agreement with a WR without signing on the dotted line until this deal was done.

If there was a break in the trade talks, that probably nobbled several potential free-agent discussions too. I can imagine there's a fair amount of back and forth between teams and agents, and some teams (Packers....) hopping in at the last minute are at a disadvantage, especially with doubtful assurance that a free-agent deal can be struck. The proverbial "bird in the hand being better than a wispy maybe" would win the day. It could be done, and has been done, but a more difficult proposition.

[M-C-G]

This year's draft has more value later on anyways. I would rather have our two picks than pick #5.

I think this is spot on. I'd actually consider trading down with one of the first if I can't get one of the top 3 WR and/or one of the top DT.

[msiris]

I have a feeling that Julio will sign a 1 year here.

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Give me julio n landry snd use 1 st rounder on wr from usc or ohio state.
I like MVS but not at 10 million for a fut who is basically a jeff Janus 2.0 would bring him back also if not expensive

I do not know why people want guys who cant stay on the field.

[jakecronus8]

So if Watson gets three 1’s after a year off with 22 sexual assault allegations and a civil trial pending, Aaron nets…?

[Profound23]

So if Watson gets three 1’s after a year off with 22 sexual assault allegations and a civil trial pending, Aaron nets…?

Couple of differences on the other side:
1.) Watson decided to go to the highest bidder and forced Cleveland to offer more picks/more guaranteed money. The trade to Cleveland was dead two days before because they wouldn't up their offers.

2.) Watson is younger



But yes the sexual allegation has to be taken into consideration. I think we could have at least acquired two firsts/two seconds including the #9 pick.

[VooDoo7]

With the new cap, there's been a lot of stupid money being thrown around this off-season to some pretty mediocre players. Rodgers deserved every penny he got.

[FAH1223]

I’m fine with Julio. Just make sure we massage his hamstring every week.

[RRyder823]

With the new cap, there's been a lot of stupid money being thrown around this off-season to some pretty mediocre players. Rodgers deserved every penny he got.

I mean that happens every FA period

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