Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[PhilBlackson]

Just pause and think...we got a ROOKIE that just put up 25/10/8 on Jokic AND then 31/17/6 on LeBron.

I would expect other MVP candidates to post numbers like that, he's just starting his journey. It's truly unbelievable how lucky we got and how much it shows tanking does work

You wanted Jalen Green so badly pre draft. And in many respects you were dead on on what can can become, no one can stay in front of him.

Potential wise knowing how dynamic green of an offensive player he can become, if Houston offered Green for Barnes straight up, would you swap?

Obviously not anymore lol

NO ONE knew Scottie was THIS good, if they did he goes top 2 (period). Scottie didn't show even 1/4 of what he has in his rookie season in college. He made a DRASTIC improvement and just impacts too many facets of the game. Heck when the draft rolled around I was praying for Mobley and was bummed he went one pick ahead, thought there was no one I would take ahead of him....Scottie is improving so much, I'm not so sure Scottie might not end up being the best player in the draft.

[Vampirate]

I never thought i'd say this but Barnes is a better shooter than Mobley this year.

Overall, i'd say only Wagner is a better shooter than Barnes definitively, not sure how to judge Cade, or even Green at this point given quality of teammates. I'd say Barnes strengths (heh) give him an edge.

[XTC]

yeah, I'm pretty baffled. This isn't nearly as big of a surprise as people think.

He was a top 5 recruit and top 5 pick. He was expected to be very, very good. This also was not some genius pick. We picked the best player on the board, an absolute elite athlete with insane skills for his size.

Huge Scottie fan before the draft. I wrote on the draft forum that Scottie had the highest ceiling in the draft. A guy that big, long strong, athleticism, handle doesn't come by very often.

Anyways I feel it was mostly Raptor fans who where upset because they wanted Suggs. Barnes pre-draft was viewed as OG Anunoby on this board which never made sense other than the fact they both played defense. Barnes scoring repertoire, handles, vision, and general offensive talent was something OG never had, so the comparison was so lazy.

I had him as my number 2 prospect in the draft with a higher ceiling than Mobley but less likely to reach it so I placed Mobley ahead of him because he looked better in college. But Scottie has already caught up to Mobley, so I can't take Mobley over him anymore.

Mobley is going to be a great defender and all around big man, a perennial DPOY candidate who can give you 20 a night.

Barnes is going to be someone you can build an offense around, because of his ability to facilitate and score the ball. He's also going to be a positive on defense.

The fact Barnes is close to putting 16/8/4 while being the #5 option us crazy to me. Out of Mobley, Cunningham, Wagner, Green, and Giddey... Scottie Barnes has the lowest usage. I really do think if Barnes was on a team like Detroit, Orlando, OKC, Houston, or Cleveland he would be putting up 20/8/4 this year. So happy this kid is a Raptor.

[Madhouse]

I never thought i'd say this but Barnes is a better shooter than Mobley this year.

Overall, i'd say only Wagner is a better shooter than Barnes definitively, not sure how to judge Cade, or even Green at this point given quality of teammates. I'd say Barnes strengths (heh) give him an edge.

The mid range is going to be there consistently soon, already at 44% right now.

The 3 ball could take a bit longer although you see a lot of 2nd year players make a jump there. Vince jumped from 29 to 40%.

[Vampirate]

I never thought i'd say this but Barnes is a better shooter than Mobley this year.

Overall, i'd say only Wagner is a better shooter than Barnes definitively, not sure how to judge Cade, or even Green at this point given quality of teammates. I'd say Barnes strengths (heh) give him an edge.

The mid range is going to be there consistently soon, already at 44% right now.

The 3 ball could take a bit longer although you see a lot of 2nd year players make a jump there. Vince jumped from 29 to 40%.

Anywhere within 10 feet he's a pretty good bet to score.

From 11- 3pt line he's at 40% basically.

And of course at the 3 point line is where he struggles the most.

In terms of his weaknesses it's as advertised, but no one saw him being this good from 3-10 feet out, shooting a tad over 50%. He's really smart and crafty with the ball which is a huge trait.

I really want to see how he does against Giannis, don't care about the results. That matchup would probably be the hardest for the rook.

[Madhouse]

The fact Barnes is close to putting 16/8/4 while being the #5 option us crazy to me. Out of Mobley, Cunningham, Wagner, Green, and Giddey... Scottie Barnes has the lowest usage. I really do think if Barnes was on a team like Detroit, Orlando, OKC, Houston, or Cleveland he would be putting up 20/8/4 this year. So happy this kid is a Raptor.

Scottie is already pushing historical boundaries with that.

Only 1 rookie in NBA history has ever put up 15/7/3 with that type of usage.



And completely ignoring usage, if he somehow were to go on a major hotstreak to end the season (tough to do because of the assists) and finish 16.0+/8.0+/4.0+, we are talking about extremely rare company on his current efficiency.

16/8/4 on 55% TS:
K. Abdul Jabbar (1970)
O. Robertson (1961)

[Psubs]

Just pause and think...we got a ROOKIE that just put up 25/10/8 on Jokic AND then 31/17/6 on LeBron.

I would expect other MVP candidates to post numbers like that, he's just starting his journey. It's truly unbelievable how lucky we got and how much it shows tanking does work

You wanted Jalen Green so badly pre draft. And in many respects you were dead on on what can can become, no one can stay in front of him.

Potential wise knowing how dynamic green of an offensive player he can become, if Houston offered Green for Barnes straight up, would you swap?

Obviously not anymore lol

NO ONE knew Scottie was THIS good, if they did he goes top 2 (period). Scottie didn't show even 1/4 of what he has in his rookie season in college. He made a DRASTIC improvement and just impacts too many facets of the game. Heck when the draft rolled around I was praying for Mobley and was bummed he went one pick ahead, thought there was no one I would take ahead of him....Scottie is improving so much, I'm not so sure Scottie might not end up being the best player in the draft.

Early this season, I thought his ceiling would be Chris Webber but now it's Giannis level. More powerful, less fluid Magic Johnson.

[WuTang_CMB]

He is everyone's type of player. Just a great basketball player.

For sure but he wasn’t doing any of this in college. All of his skills are masai esque. Long, iq, defense, playmaking

He spent his one year in college learning to play point. But if you watch him in high school...he was doing a lot more than he showed in college.

No where near the level he’s at now and he never dominated due to his stacked HS team. definitely underrated in college because he came off the bench after his injury early on and didnt take much of a scoring role as he deferred a lot. Raps stole him at 4. He should have went 1/2.

[TrustFundBaby]

How many wing duos are better than Siakam/Scottie?

PG/Kawhi (aging+ injury prone but easily the best when healthy)
Giannis/Middleton (MVP+Fringe All Star)
The Jays (All NBA +Fringe All Star)
Booker/Bridges (for this season, I think by next season Raps duo overtake)

I'll take the Raptors duo over Zion/Ingram, DD/Lavine pretty clearly

[Vampirate]

Giannis does what he does because he's one of a kind. GS fans saying Kuminga reminds them of Giannis is also silly.

Giannis has the height of a centre with the body control, agility of a guard.

Barnes is much closer to Kawhi, physically but aside from pure strength, I think he's going to have a different impact to the game than Kawhi has.

[Madhouse]

I think Scottie improves his 3pt shot the same way Kawhi did during the lockout. They are both more crafty than explosive. The advantage Scottie will have that he does not need to get right to the rim to consistently finish like absolute peak level athletes are able to do. The elite touch makes up for that even though I think his athletic ability is elite just not on the level of Giannis, Ja etc.

[Vampirate]

I think Scottie improves his 3pt shot the same way Kawhi did during the lockout. They are both more crafty than explosive. The advantage Scottie will have that he does not need to get right to the rim to consistently finish like absolute peak level athletes are able to do. The elite touch makes up for that even though I think his athletic ability is elite just not on the level of Giannis, Ja etc.

The thing is with players like Ja, you wonder how they fare once their athletisism fades.

This goes the same with Jalen green and to an extent Kuminga.

The 2 best attributes that age the best are height, strength, the 3rd is shooting.

It's one of the reasons why Lebron has been so good for so long.

[Madhouse]

I think Scottie improves his 3pt shot the same way Kawhi did during the lockout. They are both more crafty than explosive. The advantage Scottie will have that he does not need to get right to the rim to consistently finish like absolute peak level athletes are able to do. The elite touch makes up for that even though I think his athletic ability is elite just not on the level of Giannis, Ja etc.

The thing is with players like Ja, you wonder how they fare once their athletisism fades.

This goes the same with Jalen green and to an extent Kuminga.

The 2 best attributes that age the best are height, strength, the 3rd is shooting.

It's one of the reasons why Lebron has been so good for so long.

It's probably curtains for Ja late 20s, early 30s, just like that one injury completely derailed Rose. Kuminga should have a better chance because he is big and strong.

[DG88]

I was a Suggs Stan but knowing that Barnes was someone we were looking at I made sure to get a look at him. He reminded me of a bigger Iguodala, which was still a fantastic player. But looking at him now he just reminds of me of Magic Johnson. The size, flair, strength and IQ. He ain't Magic now but shades of him are there. Again I'm going to be following his summer workouts. Can't wait for year 2 Scottie!

[Brinbe]

he's magic barnes for a reason. scottie is generational, enjoy it fam.

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[Reeko]

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Kid looks like he's ready to lead us to the Promised Land right now. He might be the first MVP in this franchise's history.

[cbosh4mvp]

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Just realized that those two moves were with his left. I just thought about it, Barnes is pretty good going to his left. That’s big at his age. Demar couldn’t go left until like year 3.

[AbC?]

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[Vampirate]

Pretty sure the US media was hyping up Fultz at the time too.