So, does Simmons really have a back issue or is he mentally too stressed to play?

[ArtMorte]

I'm not a Ben Simmons fan at all (yes I'm aware he's on my team) but the constant doubting of this back injury regarding him is quite frankly pathetic and sad. People out here really think there's a conspiracy and that he's lying about the whole thing, when this has actually been diagnosed by the Nets medical/performance staff.

Can you link the news about the diagnosis?

[Hipster Doofus]

The Curious Case of Benjamin "Button" Simmons.

Dude is messed up.

[Jabroni Lames]

Simmons does have a back issue. He wants his money BACK.

[dautjazz]

Ok the mental stuff was fake, but why would the Nets pay him and fake an injury?

[Pointgod]

You don’t get an epidural to “fake” a back issue. This is a really stupid take and the whole random person knows Ben Simmons is lying is just a garbage part of sports fandom. Fans need to get over it. He’s left Philly, it’s over move on.

[Flash4thewin]

The real question is when is the Time to file the grievance to try to get back his 19 million?

If the deadline has passed to reclaim the money. Than back injury may be real. If the deadline has not passed. Than the back injury is being part of the klutch strategy to build a case.

He passed the Nets team physical for the trade so his was cleared by the Nets medical staff. That means he's healthy at that time and he is now under contract with the Nets. To try to argue an grievance when the trade shows your healthy, the medical staff signs off on it is just beyond idiotic. He got hurt after he was no longer part of the 76ers, thus how can one file a grievance on the 76ers?

[bebopdeluxe]

You don’t get an epidural to “fake” a back issue. This is a really stupid take and the whole random person knows Ben Simmons is lying is just a garbage part of sports fandom. Fans need to get over it. He’s left Philly, it’s over move on.

This Sixers fan has happily moved on. Sixers averaging 124.5 points per 100 possessions (from Cleaning The Glass) since Harden arrived, which is in the 100th percentile of NBA teams. +4.1 net rating - and that includes the Nets loss. So many people on the GB thought that Morey would never fill that inside straight on the river card..but he did.

If Simmons' back issue is something that is chronic...wow. Bullet dodged there.

[KembaWalker]

I don't understand, Brooklyn was so desperate to dump Harden that they took Simmons without even doing due diligence on his health? Did they even perform a physical? There's no way we're getting anything close to the full or true story here, just doesn't make any sense

[AussieCeltic]

Ben Simmons is a fraud.

Last time he was seen playing he looked completely fine. He hasn’t played a single NBA minute yet since, and it has been almost a year. He’s also like 25, either he completely dogged it the entire year and not kept in shape at all, or he is straight up faking it to avoid playing while getting paid.

Yes because players only get injuries when playing in real games. Jesus

[gavran]

Laying on your couch for half a year will do that to you.

[Not2BeBothered]

Is there a diagnosed problem in his back, or is it like Kawhi's quad injury that it can hurt or be sore any time he feels like taking some time off, but there is no real word on what the issue actually is?

Back soreness? lol.

I’m not sure how much I believe it but he did receive an epidural because one of the disc in his spine was swollen/inflamed

[Not2BeBothered]

I don't understand, Brooklyn was so desperate to dump Harden that they took Simmons without even doing due diligence on his health? Did they even perform a physical? There's no way we're getting anything close to the full or true story here, just doesn't make any sense

Harden did not want to be there and was purposely playing like trash to hurt the Nets, if Simmons never plays a game for the Nets getting curry and 2 pick was worth it, because harden coulda left in the off-season as an unrestricted free agent.

[jpengland]

The real question is when is the Time to file the grievance to try to get back his 19 million?

If the deadline has passed to reclaim the money. Than back injury may be real. If the deadline has not passed. Than the back injury is being part of the klutch strategy to build a case.

He passed the Nets team physical for the trade so his was cleared by the Nets medical staff. That means he's healthy at that time and he is now under contract with the Nets. To try to argue an grievance when the trade shows your healthy, the medical staff signs off on it is just beyond idiotic. He got hurt after he was no longer part of the 76ers, thus how can one file a grievance on the 76ers?

It's a myth that the medical is a 'pass or fail'. Essentially the medical staff advise on the risk involved in a player. The GM/owner then signs off on that based on the risk/reward.

[Sofia]

No real doctor would give an epidural just because, and those that would, wouldn’t be allowed to go anywhere near a player with well over $100m on the contract.

[kuclas]

No real doctor would give an epidural just because, and those that would, wouldn’t be allowed to go anywhere near a player with well over $100m on the contract.

Tons of pain docs would. U just don’t know the medical system in the USA. And it’s not malpractice either. These are grey areas as we say In medicine. Even surgery is grey area for back surgery. It’s not as clear cut as you think.

And yes I’m in the speciality. Opinions will vary on the same matter.

[Flash4thewin]

The real question is when is the Time to file the grievance to try to get back his 19 million?

If the deadline has passed to reclaim the money. Than back injury may be real. If the deadline has not passed. Than the back injury is being part of the klutch strategy to build a case.

He passed the Nets team physical for the trade so his was cleared by the Nets medical staff. That means he's healthy at that time and he is now under contract with the Nets. To try to argue an grievance when the trade shows your healthy, the medical staff signs off on it is just beyond idiotic. He got hurt after he was no longer part of the 76ers, thus how can one file a grievance on the 76ers?

It's a myth that the medical is a 'pass or fail'. Essentially the medical staff advise on the risk involved in a player. The GM/owner then signs off on that based on the risk/reward.

It looks like there is a pass or fail system with some grey also but basically if the doctors see something wrong its their duty to point it out. In the link below you have four examples of trades voided because the player literally failed his physical. Yes some teams will wave a physical but then if anything happens, its on them and makes insurance unlikely. So back to the original point, the Nets doctors check Simmons out and at that time he had no medial issues that would warrant voiding the trade. Again that means he was healthy when he was traded to the Nets. Most likely he aggravated his back trying to get into playing shape asap, why he wasn't anywhere near playing shape is another topic of speculation. Allegedly being mentally stressed doesn't excuse one from the inability to get on a tread mill and stay in game shape.

https://clutchpoints.com/4-nba-trades-torn-up-after-issues-discovered-during-physical/

[jpengland]

He passed the Nets team physical for the trade so his was cleared by the Nets medical staff. That means he's healthy at that time and he is now under contract with the Nets. To try to argue an grievance when the trade shows your healthy, the medical staff signs off on it is just beyond idiotic. He got hurt after he was no longer part of the 76ers, thus how can one file a grievance on the 76ers?

It's a myth that the medical is a 'pass or fail'. Essentially the medical staff advise on the risk involved in a player. The GM/owner then signs off on that based on the risk/reward.

It looks like there is a pass or fail system with some grey also but basically if the doctors see something wrong its their duty to point it out. In the link below you have four examples of trades voided because the player literally failed his physical. Yes some teams will wave a physical but then if anything happens, its on them and makes insurance unlikely. So back to the original point, the Nets doctors check Simmons out and at that time he had no medial issues that would warrant voiding the trade. Again that means he was healthy when he was traded to the Nets. Most likely he aggravated his back trying to get into playing shape asap, why he wasn't anywhere near playing shape is another topic of speculation. Allegedly being mentally stressed doesn't excuse one from the inability to get on a tread mill and stay in game shape.

https://clutchpoints.com/4-nba-trades-torn-up-after-issues-discovered-during-physical/

I don't deny that guys can 'fail'. But that's not a medical decision. That's a business decision. The medical just provides the physical condition of the player. The GM/Owner then weighs that up against the potential benefits.

Same thing happens in Soccer over here. Most medical teams will evaluate the player and then give the guy making the transfer decisions a grade and some detailed background. The decision maker then factors that in and decides whether to go ahead or not.

Essentially, two teams may get the exact same medical report, but team A's GM would carry on with the trade and therefore the played 'passed' the medical whereas team B GM says no and the guy would have 'failed'.