Suns Just Another Team

IamBBAnalysis · Post #41 » by **IamBBAnalysis** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:05 pm

Lalouie wrote:phx hasn't won anything
gsw had with the pedigree they have

Yeah, but my contention is if it was Philly or Boston things would be different. We would be talking about a CLEAR favorite type of thing.

vxmike · Post #42 » by **vxmike** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:06 pm

SkyBill40 wrote:
kuclas wrote:Suns record after cp3 went out is misleading. It’s actually a good time for him to be out

They really haven’t beaten anyone since the injury. I guess at Miami is a good win (no butler). But had a pretty cupcake schedule since all star break.

If cp3 is healthy they could go far. As far as cp3 takes them. Another finals run is my prediction.

Uh, what? They beat the hell out of Chicago the other night and they're seen as contenders in the East. But I guess that doesn't count, right?

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Chicago is decimated by injuries and Lavine is hobbled by a bad knee. They aren’t close to contenders right now.

IamBBAnalysis · Post #43 » by **IamBBAnalysis** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:09 pm

realball wrote:It's because almost all the teams they will face in the playoffs will have the best payer on the court. Curry, Luka, Jokic, KAT, Lebron/AD... only the Jazz and Clippers don't have better first options.

Yeah, this is definitely part of it. Is that right though? Again, I say look at the Pistons teams with Billups and the Spurs with Duncan/Parker. These were "teams" that were solid as a team on offense and played great defense. Very similar to the Suns. And the Suns are great in the clutch also. You can't really blame the media but what about hear on RealGM?

Mr Puddles · Post #44 » by **Mr Puddles** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:09 pm

pj0tr wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:Suns are a great team but I dont see them winning a chip. I still think a healthy Lakers can eliminate them in a series but thats asking for too much

If CP3 is out for Round 1, Lakers should and will be favored over the Suns in a 7 game series.

That is why the Suns do not get talked about.

EDIT: Even if CP3 is healthy, the Lakers will have the 2 best players in a series between the Suns by far.

So, why would they be favored? Teams with superstars win in the postseason, and if the Lakers 2 superstars are healthy, well... Suns will not be favored.

The Lakers have beaten the Suns 3 times in 13 meetings since Chris Paul joined the Suns, yet the whole " a healthy lakers team can beat them" narrative keeps popping up.

This season, the Lakers have gone 0-3 against the Suns losing by an average of 19 ppg in those meetings.

If they can't even beat the suns 4 times in two seasons combined what makes you say they can beat them in a single playoff series?

Mr Puddles · Post #45 » by **Mr Puddles** » Sun Mar 20, 2022 11:47 pm

kuclas wrote:Suns record after cp3 went out is misleading. It’s actually a good time for him to be out

They really haven’t beaten anyone since the injury. I guess at Miami is a good win (no butler). But had a pretty cupcake schedule since all star break.

If cp3 is healthy they could go far. As far as cp3 takes them. Another finals run is my prediction.

You GUESS beating the team with the best record in the east by 21 points, on the second night of a back-to-back, on the road while playing without Paul and Cam Johnson... is a good win?

That's mighty generous of you.

schnakenpopanz · Post #46 » by **schnakenpopanz** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:08 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
pj0tr wrote:
iLLmatic860 wrote:Suns are a great team but I dont see them winning a chip. I still think a healthy Lakers can eliminate them in a series but thats asking for too much

If CP3 is out for Round 1, Lakers should and will be favored over the Suns in a 7 game series.

That is why the Suns do not get talked about.

EDIT: Even if CP3 is healthy, the Lakers will have the 2 best players in a series between the Suns by far.

So, why would they be favored? Teams with superstars win in the postseason, and if the Lakers 2 superstars are healthy, well... Suns will not be favored.

The Lakers have beaten the Suns 3 times in 13 meetings since Chris Paul joined the Suns, yet the whole " a healthy lakers team can beat them" narrative keeps popping up.

This season, the Lakers went 0-3 against losing by an average of 19 ppg in those meetings.

If they can't even beat the suns 4 times in two seasons combined what makes you say they can beat them in a single playoff series?

Don't bother them with facts. the narrative is clear, relocate this roster to LA or NY we would hear 24/7 about them in the media. that's just life. a poop from leabron would get more media coverrage than the suns winning a chip.

Godymas · Post #47 » by **Godymas** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:11 am

Just had this realization

The reason the Suns are doing so well is because they are the most stable team by far. Every other team has had inconsistent performances, off the court BS, players not playing to expectations

The Suns just came out hot and stayed that way all year.

Like look at all the other teams in the league..Clippers and Nuggets depleted by injuries. Warriors are in this semi rebuild while reinvigorating their core phase. Utah still haven’t recovered from last years collapse.

Lakers completely dismantled. Nets having their issues. Philly just barely getting over their roster problems. Miami always injured.

No team has managed to achieve a stable middle ground.

Although the Bucks deserve a little criticism but they also are a team that seems content with coasting the regular season.

SF_Warriors · Post #48 » by **SF_Warriors** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:43 am

Suns dont have a superstar player. Cp3 is one the goat pgs, but he is approaching 37. We also do not know how he holds up in the POs. We also know that a true superstar is not needed to get the best record in the league (see jazz last season).

That said, they should be the favorites in the west and they have enough to take out the east champs.

SkyBill40 · Post #49 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:45 am

SF_Warriors wrote:Suns dont have a superstar player. Cp3 is one the goat pgs, but he is 37. We also do not know how he holds up in the POs. We also know that a true superstar is not needed to get the best record in the league (see jazz last season).

That said, they should be the favorites in the west and they have enough to take out the east champs.

LOL.

Devin Booker enters the chat

SF_Warriors · Post #50 » by **SF_Warriors** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:47 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
kuclas wrote:Suns record after cp3 went out is misleading. It’s actually a good time for him to be out

They really haven’t beaten anyone since the injury. I guess at Miami is a good win (no butler). But had a pretty cupcake schedule since all star break.

If cp3 is healthy they could go far. As far as cp3 takes them. Another finals run is my prediction.

You GUESS beating the team with the best record in the east by 21 points, on the second night of a back-to-back, on the road while playing without Paul and Cam Johnson... is a good win?

That's mighty generous of you.

Tbf booker did not play in the first game of that b2b, and jimmy butler was out when they played the heat..

Lala870 · Post #51 » by **Lala870** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:47 am

SkyBill40 wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:Suns dont have a superstar player. Cp3 is one the goat pgs, but he is 37. We also do not know how he holds up in the POs. We also know that a true superstar is not needed to get the best record in the league (see jazz last season).

That said, they should be the favorites in the west and they have enough to take out the east champs.

LOL.

Devin Booker enters the chat

I don't think anyone would really put him in the same tier as a Lebron/Kawhi level player though. He can score though

SF_Warriors · Post #52 » by **SF_Warriors** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:48 am

SkyBill40 wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:Suns dont have a superstar player. Cp3 is one the goat pgs, but he is 37. We also do not know how he holds up in the POs. We also know that a true superstar is not needed to get the best record in the league (see jazz last season).

That said, they should be the favorites in the west and they have enough to take out the east champs.

LOL.

Devin Booker enters the chat

Devin booker is a superstar? Cmon man what a trash take and im a huge fan of his game.

John Murdoch · Post #53 » by **John Murdoch** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:49 am

Op sounds like a raps fan

SkyBill40 · Post #54 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:51 am

SF_Warriors wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:Suns dont have a superstar player. Cp3 is one the goat pgs, but he is 37. We also do not know how he holds up in the POs. We also know that a true superstar is not needed to get the best record in the league (see jazz last season).

That said, they should be the favorites in the west and they have enough to take out the east champs.

LOL.

Devin Booker enters the chat

Devin booker is a superstar? Cmon man what a trash take and im a huge fan of his game.

He's the face of the franchise and is their best player. "Superstar" is a highly inflated moniker and is about as subjective as it comes, but whatever works for you. He's a game changer and difference maker for sure and if that doesn't put him into your lofty level of expectation, I don't know what will.

timO · Post #55 » by **timO** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:53 am

for me they are gonna win the west easily

but if they meet the Bucks again, Giannis will kill them again

schnakenpopanz · Post #56 » by **schnakenpopanz** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:54 am

Booker is not considered a superstar based on narrative.
but in fact he should not care, I would take the Pistons/Spirs kind of championships any day.

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Mr Puddles · Post #57 » by **Mr Puddles** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:54 am

SF_Warriors wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
kuclas wrote:Suns record after cp3 went out is misleading. It’s actually a good time for him to be out

They really haven’t beaten anyone since the injury. I guess at Miami is a good win (no butler). But had a pretty cupcake schedule since all star break.

If cp3 is healthy they could go far. As far as cp3 takes them. Another finals run is my prediction.

You GUESS beating the team with the best record in the east by 21 points, on the second night of a back-to-back, on the road while playing without Paul and Cam Johnson... is a good win?

That's mighty generous of you.

Tbf booker did not play in the first game of that b2b, and jimmy butler was out when they played the heat..

To be fair, it was a blowout victory.

The Suns are 12-4 now without Chris Paul, counting last year's conference finals.

During that span they also missed:
Cam Johnson: 9 games.
Booker: 4 games
Crowder: 3 games
Payne: 3 games (not insignificant, since he's CP3's replacement).

How many teams in the league can go 12-4 with that many starters and key bench players missing?

When the Suns went on that 18 game win streak we had to hear about every Tom, Dick and Harry of the opposing team that was out. Now the Suns are continuing to beat opposing teams while being severely short-handed and we're putting asterisks next to their victories again.

SF_Warriors · Post #58 » by **SF_Warriors** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:57 am

SkyBill40 wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
LOL.

Devin Booker enters the chat

Devin booker is a superstar? Cmon man what a trash take and im a huge fan of his game.

He's the face of the franchise and is their best player. "Superstar" is a highly inflated moniker and is about as subjective as it comes, but whatever works for you.

Superstar to me is mvp caliber. Is booker that? So yea excuse me for not putting him in the same category as giannis, embiid, KD, jokic..you honestly cant tell the difference between booker and those guys?

SkyBill40 · Post #59 » by **SkyBill40** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:58 am

SF_Warriors wrote:
SkyBill40 wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:
Devin booker is a superstar? Cmon man what a trash take and im a huge fan of his game.

He's the face of the franchise and is their best player. "Superstar" is a highly inflated moniker and is about as subjective as it comes, but whatever works for you.

Superstar to me is mvp caliber. Is booker that? So yea excuse me for not putting him in the same category as giannis, embiid, KD, jokic..you honestly cant tell the difference between booker and those guys?

Whatever fits your narrative. :roll:

SF_Warriors · Post #60 » by **SF_Warriors** » Mon Mar 21, 2022 12:59 am

Mr Puddles wrote:
SF_Warriors wrote:
Mr Puddles wrote:
You GUESS beating the team with the best record in the east by 21 points, on the second night of a back-to-back, on the road while playing without Paul and Cam Johnson... is a good win?

That's mighty generous of you.

Tbf booker did not play in the first game of that b2b, and jimmy butler was out when they played the heat..

To be fair, it was a blowout victory.

The Suns are 12-4 now without Chris Paul, counting last year's conference finals.

During that span they also missed:
Cam Johnson: 9 games.
Booker: 4 games
Crowder: 3 games
Payne: 3 games (not insignificant, since he's CP3's replacement).

How many teams in the league can go 12-4 with that many starters and key bench players missing?

Not saying what they are doing isnt impressive, because it is...just saying its not as simple as beat the #1 eastern team on a b2b. Lots of context is lost there.