Suns Just Another Team

[SF_Warriors]

He's the face of the franchise and is their best player. "Superstar" is a highly inflated moniker and is about as subjective as it comes, but whatever works for you.

Superstar to me is mvp caliber. Is booker that? So yea excuse me for not putting him in the same category as giannis, embiid, KD, jokic..you honestly cant tell the difference between booker and those guys?

Whatever fits your narrative.

You think booker is as good as giannis? Why you gotta double down on such a terrible take?

[SkyBill40]

Superstar to me is mvp caliber. Is booker that? So yea excuse me for not putting him in the same category as giannis, embiid, KD, jokic..you honestly cant tell the difference between booker and those guys?

Whatever fits your narrative.

You think booker is as good as giannis? Why you gotta double down on such a terrible take?

For what he contributes,TO HIS TEAM, absolutely. Placing them head-to-head for the sake of a direct comparison is an utterly asinine take seeing they play completely different positions. Give me a break, man. Seriously.

Your differing OPINION is noted for precisely what it is and nothing more.

[Hsker4Life]

Tbf booker did not play in the first game of that b2b, and jimmy butler was out when they played the heat..

To be fair, it was a blowout victory.

The Suns are 12-4 now without Chris Paul, counting last year's conference finals.

During that span they also missed:
Cam Johnson: 9 games.
Booker: 4 games
Crowder: 3 games
Payne: 3 games (not insignificant, since he's CP3's replacement).

How many teams in the league can go 12-4 with that many starters and key bench players missing?

Not saying what they are doing isnt impressive, because it is...just saying its not as simple as beat the #1 eastern team on a b2b. Lots of context is lost there.

They didn’t just beat that Heat team, they blew them out of the water. To even imply that that wasn’t a very good win just screams of ignorance,

[SF_Warriors]

Whatever fits your narrative.

You think booker is as good as giannis? Why you gotta double down on such a terrible take?

For what he contributes,TO HIS TEAM, absolutely. Placing them head-to-head for the sake of a direct comparison is an utterly asinine take seeing they play completely different positions. Give me a break, man. Seriously.

Theres nuance to categorizing players. If you cant/wont understand that..then I dont know what to tell you. Just because a guy is the best player on a high seeded team, does not necessarily put him in the grouping of best players. Are rudy gobert and donovan mitchell superstars because the jazz were the top seeded team last year?

You think comparing two players is asinine now? What a joke poster

[sp6r=underrated]

Right now the Suns are on pace to win around 65 games or so. Without the injury to Chris Paul maybe they could have gotten to 68-69. Impressive, right? A high # usually reserved for teams that are considered clear favorites to win a title. The next best team in the NBA will not even win 60 games this year.

Yet I get the impression with the media and fans that the Suns are just barely at the top of a list of teams that could win the title this year...along with the Bucks, Sixers, Nets, Heat, Celtics, and Warriors. Does anyone else find this kind of odd? This was a team that almost won last year and is WAY better this year...with improved play at EVEHypRY position plus adding key frontcourt depth.

Hypothetically, what if the Warriors and Suns switched records? What would the talk be? Or just the Celtics or 76ers even? Is this just the media just doing their usual thing or is there some reason for all this? Just because the Suns have not won a title yet? That seems flimsy.

I don't get that impression at all when I see the Suns discussed on TV. Rather than being dismissed they're just underdiscussed. The reason is obvious. NBA coverage is built around players not teams unlike the NFL or MLB. There are only a few exceptions of teams with large enough fanbases that can command coverage Lakers & Knicks. Celtics to a much lesser degree.

While Booker and crew are respected none of them are currently seen as real MVP level players. Which quite frankly is correct. As such the announcers don't discuss em beyond very vague cliches "those guys really play like a team" or "they came so close last year and want to finish the job this year."

You can't blame the announcers for this. Basketball fans have made clear we are interested in discussing players not teams. A majority of non-stickied threads on the General Board are player centric not Team Centric:

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Jalen Smith appreciation thread!!!!
Evan Mobley a generational defender?
What Would Another Bucks Ring Do For Middleton's Career?

Also out of the teams you listed I don't see the Suns treated the worse or even the same as the Heat. Celtics get a little more coverage for the reason I discussed above. The rest of those teams get discussed in the context of their superstars

[SF_Warriors]

To be fair, it was a blowout victory.

The Suns are 12-4 now without Chris Paul, counting last year's conference finals.

During that span they also missed:
Cam Johnson: 9 games.
Booker: 4 games
Crowder: 3 games
Payne: 3 games (not insignificant, since he's CP3's replacement).

How many teams in the league can go 12-4 with that many starters and key bench players missing?

Not saying what they are doing isnt impressive, because it is...just saying its not as simple as beat the #1 eastern team on a b2b. Lots of context is lost there.

They didn’t just beat that Heat team, they blew them out of the water. To even imply that that wasn’t a very good win just screams of ignorance,

To me, every win is a good win, especially when the winning team has major injuries. But the best team in the east was missing their best offensive player which makes it less impressive. How "ignorant" would a person have to be to ignore that fact?

[SkyBill40]

You think booker is as good as giannis? Why you gotta double down on such a terrible take?

For what he contributes,TO HIS TEAM, absolutely. Placing them head-to-head for the sake of a direct comparison is an utterly asinine take seeing they play completely different positions. Give me a break, man. Seriously.

Theres nuance to categorizing players. If you cant/wont understand that..then I dont know what to tell you. Just because a guy is the best player on a high seeded team, does not necessarily put him in the grouping of best players. Are rudy gobert and donovan mitchell superstars because the jazz were the top seeded team last year?

You think comparing two players is asinine now? What a joke poster

Yes..Yes, you are. We're done here.

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[SF_Warriors]

For what he contributes,TO HIS TEAM, absolutely. Placing them head-to-head for the sake of a direct comparison is an utterly asinine take seeing they play completely different positions. Give me a break, man. Seriously.

Theres nuance to categorizing players. If you cant/wont understand that..then I dont know what to tell you. Just because a guy is the best player on a high seeded team, does not necessarily put him in the grouping of best players. Are rudy gobert and donovan mitchell superstars because the jazz were the top seeded team last year?

You think comparing two players is asinine now? What a joke poster

Yes..Yes, you are. We're done here.

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Does anyone else actually think booker is a superstar ffs...

[Hsker4Life]

Not saying what they are doing isnt impressive, because it is...just saying its not as simple as beat the #1 eastern team on a b2b. Lots of context is lost there.

They didn’t just beat that Heat team, they blew them out of the water. To even imply that that wasn’t a very good win just screams of ignorance,

To me, every win is a good win, especially when the winning team has major injuries. But the best team in the east was missing their best offensive player which makes it less impressive. How "ignorant" would a person have to be to ignore that fact?

And the Suns were missing CP3, as well as their 6th man. And it was the 2nd night of a back to back road game. And they didn’t just win, they dominated.

Take all things into account, and it was a very good win. Period.

[SF_Warriors]

They didn’t just beat that Heat team, they blew them out of the water. To even imply that that wasn’t a very good win just screams of ignorance,

To me, every win is a good win, especially when the winning team has major injuries. But the best team in the east was missing their best offensive player which makes it less impressive. How "ignorant" would a person have to be to ignore that fact?

And the Suns were missing CP3, as well as their 6th man. And it was the 2nd night of a back to back road game. And they didn’t just win, they dominated.

Take all things into account, and it was a very good win. Period.

I didnt say it wasnt impressive..just that i would take caution when saying a team beat the #1 east team when they werent completely healthy.

[IamBBAnalysis]

Right now the Suns are on pace to win around 65 games or so. Without the injury to Chris Paul maybe they could have gotten to 68-69. Impressive, right? A high # usually reserved for teams that are considered clear favorites to win a title. The next best team in the NBA will not even win 60 games this year.

Yet I get the impression with the media and fans that the Suns are just barely at the top of a list of teams that could win the title this year...along with the Bucks, Sixers, Nets, Heat, Celtics, and Warriors. Does anyone else find this kind of odd? This was a team that almost won last year and is WAY better this year...with improved play at EVEHypRY position plus adding key frontcourt depth.

Hypothetically, what if the Warriors and Suns switched records? What would the talk be? Or just the Celtics or 76ers even? Is this just the media just doing their usual thing or is there some reason for all this? Just because the Suns have not won a title yet? That seems flimsy.

I don't get that impression at all when I see the Suns discussed on TV. Rather than being dismissed they're just underdiscussed. The reason is obvious. NBA coverage is built around players not teams unlike the NFL or MLB. There are only a few exceptions of teams with large enough fanbases that can command coverage Lakers & Knicks. Celtics to a much lesser degree.

While Booker and crew are respected none of them are currently seen as real MVP level players. Which quite frankly is correct. As such the announcers don't discuss em beyond very vague cliches "those guys really play like a team" or "they came so close last year and want to finish the job this year."

You can't blame the announcers for this. Basketball fans have made clear we are interested in discussing players not teams. A majority of non-stickied threads on the General Board are player centric not Team Centric:

Code: Select all

Jalen Smith appreciation thread!!!!
Evan Mobley a generational defender?
What Would Another Bucks Ring Do For Middleton's Career?

76ers
Also out of the teams you listed I don't see the Suns treated the worse or even the same as the Heat. Celtics get a little more coverage for the reason I discussed above. The rest of those teams get discussed in the context of their superstars

Agree. I more blame RealGm. The takes on this thread around about 10-1 poor to good IMO. Sure, there are other teams that could put it together and end up winning. That's ALWAYS possible. But right now it should be more "man, it is impressive what the Suns are doing, no other team is within 10 games of them and they have had tons of injuries lately. When was the last time only one team one 60 games!?" instead of "If the Nets put it all together", "Boston is red-hot, they are the best team", "Golden State with a full roster is...". Just saying...

[Jaqua92]

Because they aren't going to win it all and aren't the favorite. There's better teams.

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[pj0tr]

Because they aren't going to win it all and aren't the favorite. There's better teams.

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Celtics, Bucks, and fully healthy Warriors are just better than Phoenix.

Talent matters, and the Suns wouldn't have the 1st or 2nd best players in any of those series.

[Hsker4Life]

To me, every win is a good win, especially when the winning team has major injuries. But the best team in the east was missing their best offensive player which makes it less impressive. How "ignorant" would a person have to be to ignore that fact?

And the Suns were missing CP3, as well as their 6th man. And it was the 2nd night of a back to back road game. And they didn’t just win, they dominated.

Take all things into account, and it was a very good win. Period.

I didnt say it wasnt impressive..just that i would take caution when saying a team beat the #1 east team when they werent completely healthy.

Let’s find common ground:

A not completely healthy PHX team, on the 2nd night of a back to back road trip, dominated a not completely Miami team.

There. We did it.

[Hsker4Life]

Because they aren't going to win it all and aren't the favorite. There's better teams.

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Celtics, Bucks, and fully healthy Warriors are just better than Phoenix.

Talent matters, and the Suns wouldn't have the 1st or 2nd best players in any of those series.

Suns vs Celtics: who are you saying are the 2 best players in that series?

[pj0tr]

Because they aren't going to win it all and aren't the favorite. There's better teams.

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Celtics, Bucks, and fully healthy Warriors are just better than Phoenix.

Talent matters, and the Suns wouldn't have the 1st or 2nd best players in any of those series.

Suns vs Celtics: who are you saying are the 2 best players in that series?

Talent wise? Brown and Tatum.

Talent matters, thats why people are skeptical about Phoenix.

They have depth, but that advantage shrinks in a 7 game series, where rotations are only 6-8 guys max, where all the starters are playing more minutes.

In terms of pure talent, Phoenix does not have a very talented roster.

Boston I'd argue has way more talent overall than Phoenix does.

Another factor? FTs - the Suns don't shoot a lot of FTs. The Celtics would own them in FT disparity.

[Hsker4Life]

Celtics, Bucks, and fully healthy Warriors are just better than Phoenix.

Talent matters, and the Suns wouldn't have the 1st or 2nd best players in any of those series.

Suns vs Celtics: who are you saying are the 2 best players in that series?

Talent wise? Brown and Tatum.

Talent matters, thats why people are skeptical about Phoenix.

They have depth, but that advantage shrinks in a 7 game series, where rotations are only 6-8 guys max, where all the starters are playing more minutes.

In terms of pure talent, Phoenix does not have a very talented roster.

Boston I'd argue has way more talent overall than Phoenix does.

Another factor? FTs - the Suns don't shoot a lot of FTs. The Celtics would own them in FT disparity.

Brown over Booker? I think you’re in the minority in thinking that.

Booker is the better player.

[pj0tr]

Suns vs Celtics: who are you saying are the 2 best players in that series?

Talent wise? Brown and Tatum.

Talent matters, thats why people are skeptical about Phoenix.

They have depth, but that advantage shrinks in a 7 game series, where rotations are only 6-8 guys max, where all the starters are playing more minutes.

In terms of pure talent, Phoenix does not have a very talented roster.

Boston I'd argue has way more talent overall than Phoenix does.

Another factor? FTs - the Suns don't shoot a lot of FTs. The Celtics would own them in FT disparity.

Brown over Booker? I think you’re in the minority in thinking that.

Booker is the better player.

Is Booker more talented? No.

He is definitely not more athletic, and definitely not better than Brown as a defender - the stats back all of that up.

Brown only averages 2 PPG less than Booker, while not being their primary scorer.

Its close, but Brown > Booker.

[dribble1614]

Booker is not a superstar, not even close. He’s an all-star level player but if you put him on a different team he wouldn’t be talked about much at all.

[pj0tr]

Booker is not a superstar, not even close. He’s an all-star level player but if you put him on a different team he wouldn’t be talked about much at all.

The Suns don't have a top 20 player at all in the NBA right now. Its hard to win a title when a team doesn't have top talent. That is why Phoenix will be doubted until they actually win a title.