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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1261 » by ComboGuardCity » Mon Mar 21, 2022 4:51 pm

I’m personally not inclined to trade Grant unless we’re getting back an equally tiered Big, Guard or we get a top 5 pick 4 (Banchero or Smith). Otherwise, we are trading him for spare parts or a pick we can only hope will be as good as Grant in 3-5 years.

There’s 3 scenarios in my mind.

1. Draft a guard:
Cade
Mathurin or Sharpe
Bey
Grant
Big

2. Draft a 4 and trade Grant for a guard
Cade
Grant replacement
Bey
Jabari or Paolo
Big in FA

3. Draft a 4 and trade Grant for a big

Cade
FA 2
Bey
Jabari or Paolo
Grant replacement big
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1262 » by Cowology » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:14 pm

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Yeah would like the Pelicans pick. Not sure how the salaries need to work for the trade or if the Blazers have a ton of cap space giving the Pistons a trade exception that maybe could turn into taking a big, terrible contract for another lottery pick?

Seems like a lot of talent in this draft 1-15, but no superstars. Get 3 of them and hope 2 turn into fringe all-stars to go along with Cade.

Absolutely also need a tall, super athletic lob catcher for Cade/Hayes for obvious reasons.
I would absolutely jump at the chance to swap Grant for Eric Bledsoe & a pick in the 10-15 range. I have zero interest in resigning Grant and Bledsoe fills the veteran guard role that I've repeatedly said I'd want in a Grant move. He also expires after next season, preserving our current cap flexibility.

I actually don't care that much about the pick, aside from it being an asset. We don't really need any more youth, but it's a decent chip and having another prospect isn't the worst thing ever.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1263 » by mattao313 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:26 pm

Pelly pick is around 11 who'd we pick in that place

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Post#1264 » by MotownMadness » Mon Mar 21, 2022 5:44 pm

Is that to high to take Mark Williams?
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Post#1265 » by whitehops » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:05 pm

Cowology wrote:I would absolutely jump at the chance to swap Grant for Eric Bledsoe & a pick in the 10-15 range. I have zero interest in resigning Grant and Bledsoe fills the veteran guard role that I've repeatedly said I'd want in a Grant move. He also expires after next season, preserving our current cap flexibility.

his ~$19 mil salary in 2023 is only guaranteed for $3.9 mil so we could feasibly cut him and save the $15 million for free agency in case there are other vet guards we'd like too. either way, it gives flexibility.
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Post#1266 » by bstein14 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:12 pm

The best part about trading before the draft, to the Blazers for Eric Bledsoe is that we'd only be on the hook for $3.9 million which means we have an extra $17 million in cap space to work with this summer... minus whatever the cap hold is for the draft pick.

The 10th pick in the draft starts out at $4 million so we'd still net an extra $13 million in cap space. We don't have a ton of extra roster spots to add two draft picks and multiple FAs so we might need to get a bit creative using cap space to acquire a future pick, or perhaps make a trade to open up an extra roster spot or two. Perhaps all of those things happen in one deal similar to what we did last year dumping Okafor and Sekou and getting 4 2nds for taking on Jordan's contract.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1267 » by bstein14 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:17 pm

It feels like there isn't much different between 5 and 11/12 in this draft... its kind of like 2020 where you had guys like Haliburton, Cole Anthony, Obi Toppin, etc all possible guys talked about as picks in the 5 to 10 range and someone has to fall out of the top 10.

There are seemingly 4 guys that are likely top 5 or 6 picks and then just a bunch of guys all over the place after that. Of course things could/will get a bit more certain as we get closer to the draft.
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Post#1268 » by mattao313 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:20 pm

bstein14 wrote:The best part about trading before the draft, to the Blazers for Eric Bledsoe is that we'd only be on the hook for $3.9 million which means we have an extra $17 million in cap space to work with this summer... minus whatever the cap hold is for the draft pick.

The 10th pick in the draft starts out at $4 million so we'd still net an extra $13 million in cap space. We don't have a ton of extra roster spots to add two draft picks and multiple FAs so we might need to get a bit creative using cap space to acquire a future pick, or perhaps make a trade to open up an extra roster spot or two. Perhaps all of those things happen in one deal similar to what we did last year dumping Okafor and Sekou and getting 4 2nds for taking on Jordan's contract.
Can Portland just absorb his contract fully?

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1269 » by Cowology » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:23 pm

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Cowology wrote:I would absolutely jump at the chance to swap Grant for Eric Bledsoe & a pick in the 10-15 range. I have zero interest in resigning Grant and Bledsoe fills the veteran guard role that I've repeatedly said I'd want in a Grant move. He also expires after next season, preserving our current cap flexibility.

his ~$19 mil salary in 2023 is only guaranteed for $3.9 mil so we could feasibly cut him and save the $15 million for free agency in case there are other vet guards we'd like too. either way, it gives flexibility.
Wow, wasn't even aware of the partial guarantee.

It's possible I have a very skewed perception of Grant's value around the league; would a team like the Blazers really give up a mid-1st and absorb an additional $15 mil to get him?
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1270 » by zeebneeb » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:49 pm

Cowology wrote:
whitehops wrote:
Cowology wrote:I would absolutely jump at the chance to swap Grant for Eric Bledsoe & a pick in the 10-15 range. I have zero interest in resigning Grant and Bledsoe fills the veteran guard role that I've repeatedly said I'd want in a Grant move. He also expires after next season, preserving our current cap flexibility.

his ~$19 mil salary in 2023 is only guaranteed for $3.9 mil so we could feasibly cut him and save the $15 million for free agency in case there are other vet guards we'd like too. either way, it gives flexibility.
Wow, wasn't even aware of the partial guarantee.

It's possible I have a very skewed perception of Grant's value around the league; would a team like the Blazers really give up a mid-1st and absorb an additional $15 mil to get him?
Man I would kill for that deal to happen. Can you imagine getting say the 6th pick, and the 10th pick, or better?

Damn. Lots you can do with that kind of draft capital.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1271 » by mattao313 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:54 pm

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whitehops wrote:his ~$19 mil salary in 2023 is only guaranteed for $3.9 mil so we could feasibly cut him and save the $15 million for free agency in case there are other vet guards we'd like too. either way, it gives flexibility.
Wow, wasn't even aware of the partial guarantee.

It's possible I have a very skewed perception of Grant's value around the league; would a team like the Blazers really give up a mid-1st and absorb an additional $15 mil to get him?
Man I would kill for that deal to happen. Can you imagine getting say the 6th pick, and the 10th pick, or better?

Damn. Lots you can do with that kind of draft capital.
Meh if we don't get a top 4 pick I'd be disappointed. After 4 it's a drop off imo

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1272 » by Pharaoh » Mon Mar 21, 2022 6:59 pm

The CJ TPE is just large enough for Portlabd to absorb Grant without them giving up a player.

If they'd give one of their Lotto picks we'd have to consider it

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1273 » by Snakebites » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:28 pm

I’ve more or less given up on the prospect of Grant being traded.
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Post#1274 » by vege » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:42 pm

ComboGuardCity wrote:I’m personally not inclined to trade Grant unless we’re getting back an equally tiered Big, Guard or we get a top 5 pick 4 (Banchero or Smith). Otherwise, we are trading him for spare parts or a pick we can only hope will be as good as Grant in 3-5 years.

There’s 3 scenarios in my mind.

1. Draft a guard:
Cade
Mathurin or Sharpe
Bey
Grant
Big

2. Draft a 4 and trade Grant for a guard
Cade
Grant replacement
Bey
Jabari or Paolo
Big in FA

3. Draft a 4 and trade Grant for a big

Cade
FA 2
Bey
Jabari or Paolo
Grant replacement big


Those FAs have name already. Jalen Brunson is the guard, Mitchell Robinson is the big, but yes, imo you are correct.
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Post#1275 » by vege » Mon Mar 21, 2022 7:50 pm

We must trade a well above average starter with a great skillset, who fit very well with our other 2 core players (Cade and Bey) for that 1st round pick.

#7 - Killian Hayes
#15 - Sekou Doumbouya
#12 - Luke Kennard
#18 - Henry Ellenson
#8 - Stanley Johnson
#8 - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
#9 - Andre Drummond
#8 - Brandon Knight
#7 - Greg Monroe

Lotto pick >>>>>>>>>> all

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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1276 » by Manocad » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:07 pm

I'm pretty much in the middle of the road with Grant at this point. It wouldn't break my heart to see him traded but I also am not on board with the "a really high draft pick is always better" line of thinking. And clearly there have been games when the Big 3 all played well together and looked pretty awesome. But I certainly think it should be a goal of the team to look for trade options for Grant that are not only of equal value but better fit/makes the team better overall. I have definitely abandoned the idea that he must be moved no matter what; I think he's proved at this point that he can be positive element of the team. The question is whether there's another option out there (shooting guard, defensive big) of equal value who fits better with what this team needs.
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Post#1277 » by bstein14 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:54 pm

The hardest part about keeping Grant will be if we land a top 3 or 4 pick that Weaver feels fits best at PF. Grant is a versatile player but moving him to C or SF likely isn't the most ideal scenario.... plus him wanting the 4 year $112 extension this summer.

I agree, if we do trade Grant for essentially just a pick its likely a set back on the path to the playoffs.

That said.... Our Pick + Another top 12 pick + FA $$$ to resign Bagley, add Mitchell Robinson, and add Jalen Brunson would likely be a huge get for us. If you moved Grant in a deal that essentially fills out the rotation really well.

C: Robinson / Stew
PF: Chet, Smith, or Banchero/ Bagley
SF: Bey / #11
SG: Brunson / Diallo
PG: Cade / Hayes (or CoJo)

Essentially use #11 to get a backup SG or SF and let Diallo back up the other spot next season. Pass on keeping Frank Jackson unless we want him as a $3 million 3rd string shooting guard.
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Post#1278 » by bstein14 » Mon Mar 21, 2022 8:55 pm

vege wrote:We must trade a well above average starter with a great skillset, who fit very well with our other 2 core players (Cade and Bey) for that 1st round pick.

#7 - Killian Hayes
#15 - Sekou Doumbouya
#12 - Luke Kennard
#18 - Henry Ellenson
#8 - Stanley Johnson
#8 - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
#9 - Andre Drummond
#8 - Brandon Knight
#7 - Greg Monroe

Lotto pick >>>>>>>>>> all

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It's easy to keep Grant if we fall in the draft a bit... but if we land a top pick that's best suited for PF it makes keeping him a bit harder when he wants that $112 million extension this summer. I think that's why Weaver waited to make the move... to see where things fall in the draft lottery.
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Post#1279 » by vege » Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:02 pm

bstein14 wrote:
vege wrote:We must trade a well above average starter with a great skillset, who fit very well with our other 2 core players (Cade and Bey) for that 1st round pick.

#7 - Killian Hayes
#15 - Sekou Doumbouya
#12 - Luke Kennard
#18 - Henry Ellenson
#8 - Stanley Johnson
#8 - Kentavious Caldwell-Pope
#9 - Andre Drummond
#8 - Brandon Knight
#7 - Greg Monroe

Lotto pick >>>>>>>>>> all

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It's easy to keep Grant if we fall in the draft a bit... but if we land a top pick that's best suited for PF it makes keeping him a bit harder when he wants that $112 million extension this summer. I think that's why Weaver waited to make the move... to see where things fall in the draft lottery.


Yeap, I agree, ComboGuardCity posted the possibilities and I agree with everything he said in that post.

But even if we draft Smith or Banchero, doesn't mean we should get a bad player (mr I don't want to be here) and a meh pick in return for Grant.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1280 » by edmunder_prc » Mon Mar 21, 2022 9:58 pm

Pharaoh wrote:The CJ TPE is just large enough for Portlabd to absorb Grant without them giving up a player.

If they'd give one of their Lotto picks we'd have to consider it

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If there were 4 or 5 great players in unrestricted free agency, then it would be good to talk to some of them and make this kind of trade.

But otherwise it means we trade Grant to have a bunch of money for Brunson, Mitchell, and those guys are fine but they dont move the needle.

It all depends on the draft though.

But if all the Pistons get back are draft picks, its a bad deal for the Pistons because there isnt anyone to sign.

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