15-17 Stephen Curry vs 20-22 Nikola Jokic

[Narigo]

Who has a better 3 year peak

[No-more-rings]

Probably have to go Curry for now, but i might switch to Jokic depending on how his playoffs go.

[falcolombardi]

jokic, i feel his game has been a bit more resilient in the playoffs compared to curry in 15 and 16

[dygaction]

If Giannis can win another ring, I will for sure take his 20-22 over Curry 15-17, not Joker's.

[70sFan]

If Giannis can win another ring, I will for sure take his 20-22 over Curry 15-17, not Joker's.

But if he has thr best playoffs of his career, but lose in ECF because, say, Khris gets injured, then he wouldn't be over Curry?

How about if he plays as poorly as he did in 2019 ECF, but Bucks will win anyway because they are stacked?

Why ring is so important in this evaluation?

[dygaction]

If Giannis can win another ring, I will for sure take his 20-22 over Curry 15-17, not Joker's.

But if he has thr best playoffs of his career, but lose in ECF because, say, Khris gets injured, then he wouldn't be over Curry?

Does "for sure" imply what you described?

How about if he plays as poorly as he did in 2019 ECF, but Bucks will win anyway because they are stacked?

Don't see it happen and Bucks are not stacked, not even close to 2017 GS.

Why ring is so important in this evaluation?

Because you are comparing against b2b MVP, the franchise player of the winningest team in the past decade. Again, no ring for Giannis would not be the end of discussion, but the justification needs further scrutiny.

[70sFan]

Don't see it happen and Bucks are not stacked, not even close to 2017 GS.

It's not impossible, better players than Giannis had underwhelming postseason runs in their winning seasons. Giannis isn't crystal postseason performer either, he struggled a lot before 2021 in playoffs.

You don't have to be on 2017 Warriors level to be called stacked. With that logic, no other team was ever stacked because GSW had the most talented roster ever that year. There is no team on 2017 Warriors level in the league right now. Bucks are certainly among the most talented teams in the league. I don't find it impossible for them to win the ring with Giannis struggling. Not saying that it's a sure thing, but it's not impossible.

Would you take Giannis over Curry easily then?

Because you are comparing against b2b MVP, the franchise player of the winningest team in the past decade. Again, no ring for Giannis would not be the end of discussion, but the justification needs further scrutiny.

So another ring would make him easily better than "b2b MVP, the franchise player of the winningest team in the past decade"? I don't agree, there would be still reasons to pick Curry over Giannis. I'm not sure I'd agree with that argumentation, but Curry is good enough to be compared to anyone.

Still fail to see what one ring changes without any discussion about the level of play Giannis will present in postseason. I mean, Giannis won the ring last year and not everybody is willing to take him over peak Curry anyway.

[dygaction]

Don't see it happen and Bucks are not stacked, not even close to 2017 GS.

It's not impossible, better players than Giannis had underwhelming postseason runs in their winning seasons. Giannis isn't crystal postseason performer either, he struggled a lot before 2021 in playoffs.

You don't have to be on 2017 Warriors level to be called stacked. With that logic, no other team was ever stacked because GSW had the most talented roster ever that year. There is no team on 2017 Warriors level in the league right now. Bucks are certainly among the most talented teams in the league. I don't find it impossible for them to win the ring with Giannis struggling. Not saying that it's a sure thing, but it's not impossible.

Would you take Giannis over Curry easily then?

Because you are comparing against b2b MVP, the franchise player of the winningest team in the past decade. Again, no ring for Giannis would not be the end of discussion, but the justification needs further scrutiny.

So another ring would make him easily better than "b2b MVP, the franchise player of the winningest team in the past decade"? I don't agree, there would be still reasons to pick Curry over Giannis. I'm not sure I'd agree with that argumentation, but Curry is good enough to be compared to anyone.

Still fail to see what one ring changes without any discussion about the level of play Giannis will present in postseason. I mean, Giannis won the ring last year and not everybody is willing to take him over peak Curry anyway.

Giannis might struggle offensively but his defense is always there. Not like Curry is a great playoff performer so most likely yes.
You always seem to confuse what I think with what you think I am forcing everyone to rethink.

[70sFan]

Giannis might struggle offensively but his defense is always there.

I thought you were always on a side that offense is much more important than defense. You don't use the same logic for Garnett, why?

Not like Curry is a great playoff performer so most likely yes.
You always seem to confuse what I think with what you think I am forcing everyone to rethink.

I don't confuse anything, we're here to discuss basketball. If you don't like that, I can stop quoting you. Wouldn't it be lazy to stop engaging with people we disagree though?

[dygaction]

Giannis might struggle offensively but his defense is always there.

I thought you were always on a side that offense is much more important than defense. You don't use the same logic for Garnett, why?

Not like Curry is a great playoff performer so most likely yes.
You always seem to confuse what I think with what you think I am forcing everyone to rethink.

I don't confuse anything, we're here to discuss basketball. If you don't like that, I can stop quoting you. Wouldn't it be lazy to stop engaging with people we disagree though?

You are good. Apparently I put a lot more weight on the results.

[feyki]

Any year of Curry pretty similar to each other that span, but 2020 Jokic was clearly a tier below than 2021 while 2022 significantly better than 2021. Voted Jokic, but he has not been as lucky as Curry, though, couldn't see his game in the playoffs much(we've seen in the 2020 playoffs).

[70sFan]

Giannis might struggle offensively but his defense is always there.

I thought you were always on a side that offense is much more important than defense. You don't use the same logic for Garnett, why?

Not like Curry is a great playoff performer so most likely yes.
You always seem to confuse what I think with what you think I am forcing everyone to rethink.

I don't confuse anything, we're here to discuss basketball. If you don't like that, I can stop quoting you. Wouldn't it be lazy to stop engaging with people we disagree though?

You are good. Apparently I put a lot more weight on the results.

Team results, you should add

Again, why defensive component doesn't work with Garnett?

[dygaction]

I thought you were always on a side that offense is much more important than defense. You don't use the same logic for Garnett, why?


I don't confuse anything, we're here to discuss basketball. If you don't like that, I can stop quoting you. Wouldn't it be lazy to stop engaging with people we disagree though?

You are good. Apparently I put a lot more weight on the results.

Team results, you should add

Again, why defensive component doesn't work with Garnett?

Of course it works for Garnett. I think you also agreed, his offense would be close to bottom 5 in ATG top 30, and there should be also players not 30 having a strong argument offensively, but KG is ranked in top 20 in most of the rankings.

[70sFan]

You are good. Apparently I put a lot more weight on the results.

Team results, you should add

Again, why defensive component doesn't work with Garnett?

Of course it works for Garnett. I think you also agreed, his offense would be close to bottom 5 in ATG top 30, and there should be also players not 30 having a strong argument offensively, but KG is ranked in top 20 in most of the rankings.

You know that Giannis also would be among the weakest offensive players in the top 30 right? Yet you talk about his potential as top 10 player, not barely top 20.

[dygaction]

Team results, you should add

Again, why defensive component doesn't work with Garnett?

Of course it works for Garnett. I think you also agreed, his offense would be close to bottom 5 in ATG top 30, and there should be also players not 30 having a strong argument offensively, but KG is ranked in top 20 in most of the rankings.

You know that Giannis also would be among the weakest offensive players in the top 30 right? Yet you talk about his potential as top 10 player, not barely top 20.

Did I say I value a lot about the results? He led a much more winning team with 2x regular season MVPs, and this year is super close we will see. He was also the indisputable leader last year to the championship.
KG's offensive is a few tiers below Giannis. KG had 9 playoffs games with 30 or more points and career high of 35. Giannis already had 25 games with 30 or more points, 5 games 40 or more points, and career high 50. This is at age 27, KG at this point had not won a playoffs series. That's why Giannis is projecting so much higher.

[WintaSoldier1]

Curry has a better peak, Just look at the achievement perspective. Curry revolutionized basketball, and the 3 point shot within the span of 3 years, along with winning basketball and this begun the assertion of curry in the top-20 all-time. Basically they have similar regular season achievements, but Curry cemented himself as the GOAT Shooter in a 3-4 Year run along with 2 Chips + The Greatest regular season record ever.

Curry
-2x MVP
-Greatest Regular Season Record
-3X All-Star
-3x-All NBA
-2 Chips
-3 Trips to the Finals
Jokic
-1 MVP(About to be 2)
-3x All-Nba
-3x-All Star
-3 Playoff Appearances
-1 WCF Appearance

[70sFan]

Of course it works for Garnett. I think you also agreed, his offense would be close to bottom 5 in ATG top 30, and there should be also players not 30 having a strong argument offensively, but KG is ranked in top 20 in most of the rankings.

You know that Giannis also would be among the weakest offensive players in the top 30 right? Yet you talk about his potential as top 10 player, not barely top 20.

Did I say I value a lot about the results? He led a much more winning team with 2x regular season MVPs, and this year is super close we will see. He was also the indisputable leader last year to the championship.
KG's offensive is a few tiers below Giannis. KG had 9 playoffs games with 30 or more points and career high of 35. Giannis already had 25 games with 30 or more points, 5 games 40 or more points, and career high 50. This is at age 27, KG at this point had not won a playoffs series. That's why Giannis is projecting so much higher.

Garnett was also undisputed leader of Celtics championship team. I still fail to understand your appeal to individual scoring.

[dygaction]

You know that Giannis also would be among the weakest offensive players in the top 30 right? Yet you talk about his potential as top 10 player, not barely top 20.

Did I say I value a lot about the results? He led a much more winning team with 2x regular season MVPs, and this year is super close we will see. He was also the indisputable leader last year to the championship.
KG's offensive is a few tiers below Giannis. KG had 9 playoffs games with 30 or more points and career high of 35. Giannis already had 25 games with 30 or more points, 5 games 40 or more points, and career high 50. This is at age 27, KG at this point had not won a playoffs series. That's why Giannis is projecting so much higher.

Garnett was also undisputed leader of Celtics championship team. I still fail to understand your appeal to individual scoring.

He had 1b and 2nd while Giannis had 2nd and 3rd.
I also fail to see how we can talk about basketball but completely ignore individual scoring. Not like KG was a lot better in playmaking. When you say "Giannis also would be among the weakest offensive players in the top 30" just sounds off with Giannis being top 5 in scoring with by far the highest efficiency the past 4 years in a row. You would think it is easier to put up big numbers on a bad team but KG finished in top 5 once in his entire career.

[70sFan]

He had 1b and 2nd while Giannis had 2nd and 3rd.

Pierce wasn't 1b to Garnett, KG was by far the best basketball player on that Celtics team. I think you confuse this year to some older iterations of Celtics after KG injury in 2009.

I also fail to see how we can talk about basketball but completely ignore individual scoring. Not like KG was a lot better in playmaking.

I don't ignore individual scoring, I just look at other things as well. You think that I ignore scoring when I say we should look at other things as well.

When you say "Giannis also would be among the weakest offensive players in the top 30" just sounds off with Giannis being top 5 in scoring with by far the highest efficiency the past 4 years in a row. You would think it is easier to put up big numbers on a bad team but KG finished in top 5 once in his entire career.

By far the highest efficiency? From what I know, Curry has been more efficient than Giannis in the last four years.

Who would you take Giannis over the top 30 offensively? He certainly would be in the bottom half.

[dygaction]

He had 1b and 2nd while Giannis had 2nd and 3rd.

Pierce wasn't 1b to Garnett, KG was by far the best basketball player on that Celtics team. I think you confuse this year to some older iterations of Celtics after KG injury in 2009.

I also fail to see how we can talk about basketball but completely ignore individual scoring. Not like KG was a lot better in playmaking.

I don't ignore individual scoring, I just look at other things as well. You think that I ignore scoring when I say we should look at other things as well.

When you say "Giannis also would be among the weakest offensive players in the top 30" just sounds off with Giannis being top 5 in scoring with by far the highest efficiency the past 4 years in a row. You would think it is easier to put up big numbers on a bad team but KG finished in top 5 once in his entire career.

By far the highest efficiency? From what I know, Curry has been more efficient than Giannis in the last four years.

Who would you take Giannis over the top 30 offensively? He certainly would be in the bottom half.

Curry was in top 5 scoring two years out of the four, and was better in one of them. Another is LeBron this year.
Bottom half over the top 30 is far from "among the weakest offensive players in the top 30". Even that, I need to look at the players one by one to agree. Also for a big at 27, he may not even reach his absolute peak/prime yet.