Utah Jazz @ Brooklyn Nets| 3-21-22 - 7:30

[Prokorov]

Nic has now played solid basketball against two of the league's top 5 centers.

The Nets need to think very carefully about letting this kid walk. Defensively he has figured out how to defend bigger guys without fouling and on offense he's looking like a surefire bucket on his rim attacks. He has definitely improved.

It's rough. The fan in me wants to keep everyone and roll the dice next season but Claxton and Bruce need pay raises and that tax bill isn't getting any smaller. Then there's the Drummond decision.

+ Kyrie will be looking to opt out & secure a big raise. Something will have to give.

Not so sure how it will play out; I don't think Marks is going to let Irving to have his way with negotiating. Key pointers to look for, if Irving opts in, he knows the Nets would not be committed to him being unreliable to play, if he opts out, then it would be a positive. Tsai/Marks will have a say to the future of whether they think he will be a detriment to the team.

Tsai/Marks/KD dont view the Kyrie situation like the fans do. they accept the mandate/vax stuff and even before that accepted the risk/reward of his durability issues. You opt out/extend him because at 29 he is just hitting his peak and your ceiling with KD/Kyrie is a championship and sustained best offense ever levels.

They already saw what happens when you try and leverage kyrie. he knows what he wants and is fine walking away from less. he is worth every penny of a max, availability issues or not. His ceiling + marketability combo is easily good enough ROI even if with 50% availability.

[Prokorov]

+ Kyrie will be looking to opt out & secure a big raise. Something will have to give.

Not so sure how it will play out; I don't think Marks is going to let Irving to have his way with negotiating. Key pointers to look for, if Irving opts in, he knows the Nets would not be committed to him being unreliable to play, if he opts out, then it would be a positive. Tsai/Marks will have a say to the future of whether they think he will be a detriment to the team.

a topic for another thread/time but I am not in favor of bringing him back if he opts out.... all that money could go into some retaining members and maybe 2 other actual starters/contributors that play every game.....

his shenigans, IMO of the choice of description, off the court is not worth it at all anymore to me. He picks himself over the team every year and I'm not with it.

Kyrie opting out gives us no additional cap room to spend or the higher MLE.

at most, it may help us retain bruce brown.

part time Kyrie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bruce brown

[MrDollarBills]

Nic has now played solid basketball against two of the league's top 5 centers.

The Nets need to think very carefully about letting this kid walk. Defensively he has figured out how to defend bigger guys without fouling and on offense he's looking like a surefire bucket on his rim attacks. He has definitely improved.

It's rough. The fan in me wants to keep everyone and roll the dice next season but Claxton and Bruce need pay raises and that tax bill isn't getting any smaller. Then there's the Drummond decision.

Drummond is still only 28, durable, and more ceiling then claxon... and with Curry/Harris under contract, Drummond becomes a higher priority then Mills.

Drummond has to be the #1 offseason priority after Kyrie's extension. Then you make tough decisions from there.

I think Mills would take another 1+1 deal on a 20% raise to help Simmons/Marks. Claxton at like 3/30 would likely cost too much. Especially if LMA or Blake are back on the cheap and Sharpe is there for insurance

Yeah I extend Kyrie, sign Drummond with the MLE and offer Patty a raise and see if he bites it if he likes the situation enough. Having Ben here may just help.

I would let Blake and LMA walk this offseason. Drummond, Claxton, and Sharpe is more than enough. It just depends on what Nic gets on the open market.

Ben fills the need for a reliable wing defender and we have Kessler who will be converted to an NBA contract.

It may seem like overkill, but I think we need to value depth this offseason over everything else, luxury tax be damned.

[Lamak]

KD intensity was at another level in this game at the end

[Prokorov]

Nic has now played solid basketball against two of the league's top 5 centers.

The Nets need to think very carefully about letting this kid walk. Defensively he has figured out how to defend bigger guys without fouling and on offense he's looking like a surefire bucket on his rim attacks. He has definitely improved.

It's rough. The fan in me wants to keep everyone and roll the dice next season but Claxton and Bruce need pay raises and that tax bill isn't getting any smaller. Then there's the Drummond decision.

Drummond is still only 28, durable, and more ceiling then claxon... and with Curry/Harris under contract, Drummond becomes a higher priority then Mills.

Drummond has to be the #1 offseason priority after Kyrie's extension. Then you make tough decisions from there.

I think Mills would take another 1+1 deal on a 20% raise to help Simmons/Marks. Claxton at like 3/30 would likely cost too much. Especially if LMA or Blake are back on the cheap and Sharpe is there for insurance

Yeah I extend Kyrie, sign Drummond with the MLE and offer Patty a raise and see if he bites it if he likes the situation enough. Having Ben here may just help.

I would let Blake and LMA walk this offseason. Drummond, Claxton, and Sharpe is more than enough. It just depends on what Nic gets on the open market.

Ben fills the need for a reliable wing defender and we have Kessler who will be converted to an NBA contract.

It may seem like overkill, but I think we need to value depth this offseason over everything else, luxury tax be damned.

IF tsai is willing to pay, you sign claxton. it really comes down to him. claxton on 3/30 would be tradeable after 1 season, with him owed 2/20. you can frontload and make that like 2/18. that could be moved if we dont want to pay tax more then 1 year.

i doubt he is willing to pay tax on a backup center, when cheaper options like LMA/Blake/Sharpe. only way i see us playing nic is if Drummond is gone

the fact claxton was shopped at the deadline makes me think its likely he doesnt get paid

[CalamityX12]

Not so sure how it will play out; I don't think Marks is going to let Irving to have his way with negotiating. Key pointers to look for, if Irving opts in, he knows the Nets would not be committed to him being unreliable to play, if he opts out, then it would be a positive. Tsai/Marks will have a say to the future of whether they think he will be a detriment to the team.

a topic for another thread/time but I am not in favor of bringing him back if he opts out.... all that money could go into some retaining members and maybe 2 other actual starters/contributors that play every game.....

his shenigans, IMO of the choice of description, off the court is not worth it at all anymore to me. He picks himself over the team every year and I'm not with it.

Kyrie opting out gives us no additional cap room to spend or the higher MLE.

at most, it may help us retain bruce brown.

part time Kyrie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bruce brown

Oh fooey then..... wtf/smh!

[TheNetsFan]

Not so sure how it will play out; I don't think Marks is going to let Irving to have his way with negotiating. Key pointers to look for, if Irving opts in, he knows the Nets would not be committed to him being unreliable to play, if he opts out, then it would be a positive. Tsai/Marks will have a say to the future of whether they think he will be a detriment to the team.

a topic for another thread/time but I am not in favor of bringing him back if he opts out.... all that money could go into some retaining members and maybe 2 other actual starters/contributors that play every game.....

his shenigans, IMO of the choice of description, off the court is not worth it at all anymore to me. He picks himself over the team every year and I'm not with it.

Kyrie opting out gives us no additional cap room to spend or the higher MLE.

at most, it may help us retain bruce brown.

part time Kyrie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bruce brown

A Kyrie opt out makes retaining Brown less likely, because the first year of a new Kyrie deal would be significantly higher than the option year.

[Prokorov]

a topic for another thread/time but I am not in favor of bringing him back if he opts out.... all that money could go into some retaining members and maybe 2 other actual starters/contributors that play every game.....

his shenigans, IMO of the choice of description, off the court is not worth it at all anymore to me. He picks himself over the team every year and I'm not with it.

Kyrie opting out gives us no additional cap room to spend or the higher MLE.

at most, it may help us retain bruce brown.

part time Kyrie >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bruce brown

A Kyrie opt out makes retaining Brown less likely, because the first year of a new Kyrie deal would be significantly higher than the option year.

he was suggesting if kyrie opts out, we dont bring him back

[therealbig3]

I’d actually prefer not to bring Kyrie back either. Too unreliable.

[MrDollarBills]

There is absolutely zero chance of Kyrie not coming back unless he just retires.

I'm exhausted by the constant drama that comes with him but we need this guy if we are going to have a chance at winning a championship

[Prokorov]

There is absolutely zero chance of Kyrie not coming back unless he just retires.

I'm exhausted by the constant drama that comes with him but we need this guy if we are going to have a chance at winning a championship

Yeah, we have been spoiled of late and with KD maybe some people are overlooking it. But, it is EXTREMELY rare to aquire an in-prime/peak player who just turned 30 who is as good as Kyrie.

Last year:
27/6/5 on 50/40/92

This year:
28/5/5 on 49/43/90

3 seasons prior to the nets he posted 24/5/4, 24/7/5, and 28/6/5 on 48/40/90

There are only 3 other guys (Bird, KD, Curry) EVER to post 50/40/90 on 25ppg or better and kyrie has done or flirted with that for 5 years in a row.

This is a guy who perennially gives you 25/5/5 on 50/40/90 and is at the absolute APEX of his career. It may be 20+ years before we get someone that is as good as he is. It was like 20 years between Kidd and Kyrie. You dont move on from that, you let that end however it ends. No matter how volatile. you ride it out because it is RARE you get a ceiling raiser like that.

[CalamityX12]

There is absolutely zero chance of Kyrie not coming back unless he just retires.

I'm exhausted by the constant drama that comes with him but we need this guy if we are going to have a chance at winning a championship

Yeah, we have been spoiled of late and with KD maybe some people are overlooking it. But, it is EXTREMELY rare to aquire an in-prime/peak player who just turned 30 who is as good as Kyrie.

Last year:
27/6/5 on 50/40/92

This year:
28/5/5 on 49/43/90

3 seasons prior to the nets he posted 24/5/4, 24/7/5, and 28/6/5 on 48/40/90

There are only 3 other guys (Bird, KD, Curry) EVER to post 50/40/90 on 25ppg or better and kyrie has done or flirted with that for 5 years in a row.

This is a guy who perennially gives you 25/5/5 on 50/40/90 and is at the absolute APEX of his career. It may be 20+ years before we get someone that is as good as he is. It was like 20 years between Kidd and Kyrie. You dont move on from that, you let that end however it ends. No matter how volatile. you ride it out because it is RARE you get a ceiling raiser like that.

averages don't tell the whole story.

how many games does he play?
how many games he takes off for x y z reasons etc.....

nothing is spoken about his game skill or talent but it speaks volumes that his off court character is almost too much for some to deal with anymore....

Even with the poorness of Harden, the guy showed up to play unlike Ky when or when not available.

[Prokorov]

how many games does he play?

more then any of the big 3 last year. Durability/availabilty was the concern. his all-time great scoring levels are the trade off.

how many games he takes off for x y z reasons etc.....

Very few outside the pandemic, and its hard to predict a pandemic

nothing is spoken about his game skill or talent but it speaks volumes that his off court character is almost too much for some to deal with anymore....

i dont know many with greater off court character then Kyrie. He is a model citizen, family person, and as philanthropic as it gets with the poor/minorities/women/etc

Even with the poorness of Harden, the guy showed up to play unlike Ky when or when not available.

Harden only showed up physically. he completely dogged it and quit for the team. id take 1 game of kyrie giving his all vs 5 of harden fat and hungover after giving his teammates the middle finger while he goes to vegas between games during a 10 game losing streak

[CalamityX12]

how many games does he play?

more then any of the big 3 last year. Durability/availabilty was the concern. his all-time great scoring levels are the trade off.

how many games he takes off for x y z reasons etc.....

Very few outside the pandemic, and its hard to predict a pandemic

nothing is spoken about his game skill or talent but it speaks volumes that his off court character is almost too much for some to deal with anymore....

i dont know many with greater off court character then Kyrie. He is a model citizen, family person, and as philanthropic as it gets with the poor/minorities/women/etc

Even with the poorness of Harden, the guy showed up to play unlike Ky when or when not available.

Harden only showed up physically. he completely dogged it and quit for the team. id take 1 game of kyrie giving his all vs 5 of harden fat and hungover after giving his teammates the middle finger while he goes to vegas between games during a 10 game losing streak

You know very well no one(me) would infer about his charitable work. That’s not the issue.

Yeah Harden straight dogged it… no excuse but his dogging poo poo was a result from Ky’s not in it to win it stance.


Regardless, lets go Nets tonight!

[Prokorov]

how many games does he play?

more then any of the big 3 last year. Durability/availabilty was the concern. his all-time great scoring levels are the trade off.

how many games he takes off for x y z reasons etc.....

Very few outside the pandemic, and its hard to predict a pandemic

nothing is spoken about his game skill or talent but it speaks volumes that his off court character is almost too much for some to deal with anymore....

i dont know many with greater off court character then Kyrie. He is a model citizen, family person, and as philanthropic as it gets with the poor/minorities/women/etc

Even with the poorness of Harden, the guy showed up to play unlike Ky when or when not available.

Harden only showed up physically. he completely dogged it and quit for the team. id take 1 game of kyrie giving his all vs 5 of harden fat and hungover after giving his teammates the middle finger while he goes to vegas between games during a 10 game losing streak

You know very well no one(me) would infer about his charitable work. That’s not the issue.

Yeah Harden straight dogged it… no excuse but his dogging poo poo was a result from Ky’s not in it to win it stance.


Regardless, lets go Nets tonight!

Harden quitting because things got hard makes it worse. not only is he a POS cancer, he is a front running POS cancer