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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#981 » by JF5 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:13 pm

KillMonger wrote:literally zero reason to keep this from the fans......just say he had a setback and move on with the season....why did they let this mess hang over our heads this whole time till now?


I don't think they kept this from fans. This injury probably happened within a few weeks to a month ago when they effectively ruled him out.

It has to make sense. If this happened in the beginning to the middle of the season and the truth came out about all this occuring then it would be a PR nightmare. The Front Office wouldn't be that stupid to make themselves look really bad.
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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#982 » by The-Stallion70 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 9:47 pm

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KillMonger wrote:literally zero reason to keep this from the fans......just say he had a setback and move on with the season....why did they let this mess hang over our heads this whole time till now?


I don't think they kept this from fans. This injury probably happened within a few weeks to a month ago when they effectively ruled him out.

It has to make sense. If this happened in the beginning to the middle of the season and the truth came out about all this occuring then it would be a PR nightmare. The Front Office wouldn't be that stupid to make themselves look really bad.

Weltman's statement was that it was too late in the season to begin ramping him up to play. Do we think there was really another injury that ocurred?
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Post#983 » by PrimeThyme » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:19 pm

People will still make excuses for Isaac missing time, which plays right into Weltman's hands and continues to enable him.

If the injury happened weeks ago why wasn't Isaac back by December/January at the latest? That doesn't explain whatsoever why he missed 15 plus months from an ACL injury. Weltman has fed us nothing but bs for months, all in an attempt to hide the setback.

My guess is this injury happened around training camp. There was a sense even from interviews with Isaac around this time that he was due to come back soon, but something clearly happened. I think he suffered a major hamstring injury and they've been trying to avoid surgery while rehabbing it. That obviously didn't work, and thus here we are. I don't think we would have ever heard about it but Shams clearly caught wind of it evidenced by his now-deleted tweet. The weirdest part is how he hasn't said anything about it since. I've never seen him delete a tweet and then not repost at the very least a similar edited version of it. It seems to me that the organization put heat on him or his sources.

To some, this will all sound conspiratorial, but they've been saying it the whole time as many of us have said there was an obvious setback. The smoke and breadcrumbs are there if you look for them.
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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#984 » by JF5 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:24 pm

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KillMonger wrote:literally zero reason to keep this from the fans......just say he had a setback and move on with the season....why did they let this mess hang over our heads this whole time till now?


I don't think they kept this from fans. This injury probably happened within a few weeks to a month ago when they effectively ruled him out.

It has to make sense. If this happened in the beginning to the middle of the season and the truth came out about all this occuring then it would be a PR nightmare. The Front Office wouldn't be that stupid to make themselves look really bad.

Weltman's statement was that it was too late in the season to begin ramping him up to play. Do we think there was really another injury that ocurred?


That's why I'm saying this most likely happened in February. And if it's "minor" and the uninjured leg than it's most likely an injury that would take only weeks to heal from.

Also, with how cautious the Magic are and it being too late in the season seems like the logical time line of events for them to rule him out within the last few weeks.

On top of how the statement is crafted this seems very rather recent.

I don't buy the narrative that they were covering this up for months knowing this could make them look awful if someone did a bit more digging. It just doesn't make sense.
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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#985 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:27 pm

I think the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the FDA are all in on the cover up!

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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#986 » by Xatticus » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:36 pm

basketballRob wrote:I think the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the FDA are all in on the cover up!

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They don't have to cover anything up. There is no media presence around this franchise. The few people that aren't on the payroll are just fans hoping to get some access. You don't have to answer tough questions if you can prevent anyone from asking them.
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Post#987 » by JF5 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:38 pm

PrimeThyme wrote:People will still make excuses for Isaac missing time, which plays right into Weltman's hands and continues to enable him.

If the injury happened weeks ago why wasn't Isaac back by December/January at the latest? That doesn't explain whatsoever why he missed 15 plus months from an ACL injury. Weltman has fed us nothing but bs for months, all in an attempt to hide the setback.

My guess is this injury happened around training camp. There was a sense even from interviews with Isaac around this time that he was due to come back soon, but something clearly happened. I think he suffered a major hamstring injury and they've been trying to avoid surgery while rehabbing it. That obviously didn't work, and thus here we are. I don't think we would have ever heard about it but Shams clearly caught wind of it evidenced by his now-deleted tweet. The weirdest part is how he hasn't said anything about it since. I've never seen him delete a tweet and then not repost at the very least a similar edited version of it. It seems to me that the organization put heat on him or his sources.

To some, this will all sound conspiratorial, but they've been saying it the whole time as many of us have said there was an obvious setback. The smoke and breadcrumbs are there if you look for them.


What is the logical sense of doing that though? If they said specifically he had a setback in the beginning of the year, (A Developmental Season to add) nobody cares and there aren't expectations until 22-23 since people understand he's had a lengthy injury history.

Plus, if he had 1-2 injury setbacks during this time and they kept lying about it would run the risk of them looking like total idiots if the truth did come out. Plus, with them having that specific injury clause in his contract it would be even more ridiculous to lie about his progress.
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Post#988 » by Magic_Kingdom » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:49 pm

Even the press release is deliberately ambiguous. It doesn't say when the "minor injury" occurred, and it doesn't say when the "small procedure" happened. It could've been last week or 4 months ago. Why is it a secret? And since when does a team press release make judgments as to how minor an injury was, or how small a surgical procedure was? Instead of telling the media and fans what the injury was, and what the procedure was, they comically insert the words "small" and "minor" into the press release. Obvious spin. Weltman looks like a fool at best, a liar at worst.
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Post#989 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:51 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I think the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the FDA are all in on the cover up!

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They don't have to cover anything up. There is no media presence around this franchise. The few people that aren't on the payroll are just fans hoping to get some access. You don't have to answer tough questions if you can prevent anyone from asking them.
That's true. They just had to get Isaac to play along and lie to the media last week about having no setbacks.

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Post#990 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:52 pm

Magic_Kingdom wrote:Even the press release is deliberately ambiguous. It doesn't say when the "minor injury" occurred, and it doesn't say when the "small procedure" happened. It could've been last week or 4 months ago. Why is it a secret? And since when does a team press release make judgments as to how minor an injury was, or how small a surgical procedure was? Instead of telling the media and fans what the injury was, and what the procedure was, they comically insert the words "small" and "minor" into the press release. Obvious spin. Weltman looks like a fool at best, a liar at worst.
Isaac and Weltman are liars!!!

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Post#991 » by bigdogdylan5 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:53 pm

Didn’t they say this happened like really recently? Like the day after they declared him out for season? Someone who thinks this is a grand conspiracy can you tell me why lie before but now release this info?
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Post#992 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 22, 2022 10:55 pm

bigdogdylan5 wrote:Didn’t they say this happened like really recently? Like the day after they declared him out for season? Someone who thinks this is a grand conspiracy can you tell me why lie before but now release this info?
I think some of these conspiracies are hysterical.

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Post#993 » by Xatticus » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:02 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I think the FBI, CIA, NSA, and the FDA are all in on the cover up!

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They don't have to cover anything up. There is no media presence around this franchise. The few people that aren't on the payroll are just fans hoping to get some access. You don't have to answer tough questions if you can prevent anyone from asking them.
That's true. They just had to get Isaac to play along and lie to the media last week about having no setbacks.

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I'm not arguing that they covered up this specific injury. I don't know when it took place. I'm under the assumption that it occurred recently. He has obviously had setbacks. Look at the timeline. If it takes you two years to come back from an injury that usually takes one year to recover from, then you had setbacks. Duh. The word exists to describe precisely that. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand?
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Post#994 » by PrimeThyme » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:11 pm

I've given my two cents on the matter, now we wait for the start of next season. Unless something comes out, which it won't, that's when I'll revisit it.
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Post#995 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:12 pm

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They don't have to cover anything up. There is no media presence around this franchise. The few people that aren't on the payroll are just fans hoping to get some access. You don't have to answer tough questions if you can prevent anyone from asking them.
That's true. They just had to get Isaac to play along and lie to the media last week about having no setbacks.

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I'm not arguing that they covered up this specific injury. I don't know when it took place. I'm under the assumption that it occurred recently. He has obviously had setbacks. Look at the timeline. If it takes you two years to come back from an injury that usually takes one year to recover from, then you had setbacks. Duh. The word exists to describe precisely that. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand?
I guess Isaac didn't know he had a setback.

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Post#996 » by Xatticus » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:19 pm

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basketballRob wrote:That's true. They just had to get Isaac to play along and lie to the media last week about having no setbacks.

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I'm not arguing that they covered up this specific injury. I don't know when it took place. I'm under the assumption that it occurred recently. He has obviously had setbacks. Look at the timeline. If it takes you two years to come back from an injury that usually takes one year to recover from, then you had setbacks. Duh. The word exists to describe precisely that. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand?
I guess Isaac didn't know he had a setback.

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Yes. That's a safe assumption. That still doesn't answer the question as to why you don't understand it to be the case.

I'll help you out:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/setback
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Post#997 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:29 pm

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Xatticus wrote:
I'm not arguing that they covered up this specific injury. I don't know when it took place. I'm under the assumption that it occurred recently. He has obviously had setbacks. Look at the timeline. If it takes you two years to come back from an injury that usually takes one year to recover from, then you had setbacks. Duh. The word exists to describe precisely that. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand?
I guess Isaac didn't know he had a setback.

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Yes. That's a safe assumption. That still doesn't answer the question as to why you don't understand it to be the case.

I'll help you out:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/setback
Everyone heals at different lengths of time and they weren't rushing Isaac because we're tanking this year. This is what they've said in other words.

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Post#998 » by JF5 » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:46 pm

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I'm not arguing that they covered up this specific injury. I don't know when it took place. I'm under the assumption that it occurred recently. He has obviously had setbacks. Look at the timeline. If it takes you two years to come back from an injury that usually takes one year to recover from, then you had setbacks. Duh. The word exists to describe precisely that. I don't see why this is so difficult to understand?
I guess Isaac didn't know he had a setback.

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Yes. That's a safe assumption. That still doesn't answer the question as to why you don't understand it to be the case.

I'll help you out:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/setback


I don't think he had injury setbacks. That would've been reported or leaked along the way if they have no problem sharing this information now.

I think it's more likely they (training staff) had physical/strength test and he wasn't passing them consistently enough which caused setbacks in that avenue where he wasn't physically ready in the eyes of the organization.

Either and/or they decided on a completely different method of rehabbing his knee which would take him out most of the season. Given it's a lost season and its the Orlando Magic those two options seem a lot more plausible to me.

I also most likely believe they also in the process completely focused on reinventing everything about his physique/mechanics/play style which would make his body less susceptible to injury. For a guy like Issac who has played barely 40% of all games in his career with Management seeing him as a valuable asset it would make a lot of sense. I don't think the Magic opted for a regular rehab they would usually do for other players.
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Re: When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season 

Post#999 » by basketballRob » Tue Mar 22, 2022 11:59 pm

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basketballRob wrote:I guess Isaac didn't know he had a setback.

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Yes. That's a safe assumption. That still doesn't answer the question as to why you don't understand it to be the case.

I'll help you out:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/setback


I don't think he had injury setbacks. That would've been reported or leaked along the way if they have no problem sharing this information now.

I think it's more likely they (training staff) had physical/strength test and he wasn't passing them consistently enough which caused setbacks in that avenue where he wasn't physically ready in the eyes of the organization.

Either and/or they decided on a completely different method of rehabbing his knee which would take him out most of the season. Given it's a lost season and its the Orlando Magic those two options seem a lot more plausible to me.

I also most likely believe they also in the process completely focused on reinventing everything about his physique/mechanics/play style which would make his body less susceptible to injury. For a guy like Issac who has played barely 40% of all games in his career with Management seeing him as a valuable asset it would make a lot of sense. I don't think the Magic opted for a regular rehab they would usually do for other players.
I don't consider rehabilitation a setback, it's just a process. Everyone's genetics are different and like you pointed out they working on every detail of his body because he's an asset and this is a throwaway season.

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Post#1000 » by Magic_Kingdom » Wed Mar 23, 2022 12:28 am

basketballRob wrote:
Magic_Kingdom wrote:Even the press release is deliberately ambiguous. It doesn't say when the "minor injury" occurred, and it doesn't say when the "small procedure" happened. It could've been last week or 4 months ago. Why is it a secret? And since when does a team press release make judgments as to how minor an injury was, or how small a surgical procedure was? Instead of telling the media and fans what the injury was, and what the procedure was, they comically insert the words "small" and "minor" into the press release. Obvious spin. Weltman looks like a fool at best, a liar at worst.
Isaac and Weltman are liars!!!

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Weltman is, as are most professional coaches and GM's. I didn't say Isaac was a liar.

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