When is Isaac Returning? Ruled out for the entire 2021-2022 season

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Sooo it apparently happened the day after Orlando said he’d be out the rest of the year. I’m trying to find that note but I read it earlier. Think it was OMD Twitter

[Magic_Kingdom]

Weltman is a hack job parading around as someone who thinks he's the smartest basketball mind in the league.

I can't exactly blame people for buying into it, but as someone who has analyzed him closely dating all the way back to the "evaluation" days, I see through all the bs. I never bought any of this extended rehab or tank reasons bull for Isaac missing games.

Isaacs contract and the entire handling of this situation is a disaster, and so is most of Weltman's tenure outside of one trade that resulted in Franz Wagner and WCJ. I think that trade says more about the Bulls head of ops than it does Weltman, anyways.

We can also add Fultz to list of fiascos. We traded for Fultz on February of 2019. Three years later he hardly ever palys and when he does play, he looks like nba backup. In mean time we showered him with friction of salary for 2018-19 , $9,75 in 2019-20, $12,9M in 2020-21 and $16,5 this year.
He menaged to suit up for 89 games out of around 260 games or so. At average, he suits up for 30% of aveliable games. And when he does he is clear backup in modern era ,and despite being here for 3 years there is zero progress in his outside jumper ( and overall he seems to be capped out at 48-52% TS and clear limitations that non shooters have in nba, especially at PG position).


Weltman would be fired on any serious team after next year when after 3 and half seasons of constant failure to go from bad team to anything more than .500, didn't get star, didn't draft star nor created cap space to aquire one. He had riot in lockerroom where top 3 player said he demands trade and other top 3 player said he won't return and coach walked off.
Instad of being fired, he got exstensio and is allowed to start over.
Further more, he resigned Fultz and Isaac on exstensions that look simply bad now, especially Isaac because he was hurt and had no leveradge in nogotations.
Bamba, Okeke, Cole draft picks are pretty meh. Much better alternatives left on table.

For all the crap Hennigan got, he at least tried to do something in terms of building team. Weltman is master of doing nothing and selling it like a plan.

Weltman has completely conned ownership since he got here. I don't think he's ever tried to build a contender. Every move he makes is about extending his contractual life. He spent 3+ years evaluating Hennigan's team, even though Hennigan was presumably fired for a reason. Then he sells ownership on a complete rebuild that will by definition take years to realize, getting a contract extension in the process. His draft record is abysmal, but somehow tanking to rebuild through the draft seemed like a plausible rebuild strategy. Even Hammond's interview the other day was hilarious. When asked what they planned to do this summer, he was adamant that we should expect nothing because this is going to take a looooonnnnnnngggggg time. Can you imagine telling your boss not to expect anything from you for a few years because you want to let things percolate? I guess we need to see Bamba for another 4 years before we rush to judgment.

[Bensational]

Oh no. Our best player. It’s broken!

(for anyone who’s seen that meme)

[The-Stallion70]

Weltman is a hack job parading around as someone who thinks he's the smartest basketball mind in the league.

I can't exactly blame people for buying into it, but as someone who has analyzed him closely dating all the way back to the "evaluation" days, I see through all the bs. I never bought any of this extended rehab or tank reasons bull for Isaac missing games.

Isaacs contract and the entire handling of this situation is a disaster, and so is most of Weltman's tenure outside of one trade that resulted in Franz Wagner and WCJ. I think that trade says more about the Bulls head of ops than it does Weltman, anyways.

We can also add Fultz to list of fiascos. We traded for Fultz on February of 2019. Three years later he hardly ever palys and when he does play, he looks like nba backup. In mean time we showered him with friction of salary for 2018-19 , $9,75 in 2019-20, $12,9M in 2020-21 and $16,5 this year.
He menaged to suit up for 89 games out of around 260 games or so. At average, he suits up for 30% of aveliable games. And when he does he is clear backup in modern era ,and despite being here for 3 years there is zero progress in his outside jumper ( and overall he seems to be capped out at 48-52% TS and clear limitations that non shooters have in nba, especially at PG position).


Weltman would be fired on any serious team after next year when after 3 and half seasons of constant failure to go from bad team to anything more than .500, didn't get star, didn't draft star nor created cap space to aquire one. He had riot in lockerroom where top 3 player said he demands trade and other top 3 player said he won't return and coach walked off.
Instad of being fired, he got exstensio and is allowed to start over.
Further more, he resigned Fultz and Isaac on exstensions that look simply bad now, especially Isaac because he was hurt and had no leveradge in nogotations.
Bamba, Okeke, Cole draft picks are pretty meh. Much better alternatives left on table.

For all the crap Hennigan got, he at least tried to do something in terms of building team. Weltman is master of doing nothing and selling it like a plan.

Weltman has completely conned ownership since he got here. I don't think he's ever tried to build a contender. Every move he makes is about extending his contractual life. He spent 3+ years evaluating Hennigan's team, even though Hennigan was presumably fired for a reason. Then he sells ownership on a complete rebuild that will by definition take years to realize, getting a contract extension in the process. His draft record is abysmal, but somehow tanking to rebuild through the draft seemed like a plausible rebuild strategy. Even Hammond's interview the other day was hilarious. When asked what they planned to do this summer, he was adamant that we should expect nothing because this is going to take a looooonnnnnnngggggg time. Can you imagine telling your boss not to expect anything from you for a few years because you want to let things percolate? I guess we need to see Bamba for another 4 years before we rush to judgment.

Sounds like Weltman is just a puppet for Martins.

Martins whom when he was put in charge of the Magic, the team was doing well and we had a superstar. Since then he systematically traded the superstar for pennies on the dollar and kept the team bad for a decade.

[pepe1991]

Weltman is a hack job parading around as someone who thinks he's the smartest basketball mind in the league.

I can't exactly blame people for buying into it, but as someone who has analyzed him closely dating all the way back to the "evaluation" days, I see through all the bs. I never bought any of this extended rehab or tank reasons bull for Isaac missing games.

Isaacs contract and the entire handling of this situation is a disaster, and so is most of Weltman's tenure outside of one trade that resulted in Franz Wagner and WCJ. I think that trade says more about the Bulls head of ops than it does Weltman, anyways.

We can also add Fultz to list of fiascos. We traded for Fultz on February of 2019. Three years later he hardly ever palys and when he does play, he looks like nba backup. In mean time we showered him with friction of salary for 2018-19 , $9,75 in 2019-20, $12,9M in 2020-21 and $16,5 this year.
He menaged to suit up for 89 games out of around 260 games or so. At average, he suits up for 30% of aveliable games. And when he does he is clear backup in modern era ,and despite being here for 3 years there is zero progress in his outside jumper ( and overall he seems to be capped out at 48-52% TS and clear limitations that non shooters have in nba, especially at PG position).


Weltman would be fired on any serious team after next year when after 3 and half seasons of constant failure to go from bad team to anything more than .500, didn't get star, didn't draft star nor created cap space to aquire one. He had riot in lockerroom where top 3 player said he demands trade and other top 3 player said he won't return and coach walked off.
Instad of being fired, he got exstensio and is allowed to start over.
Further more, he resigned Fultz and Isaac on exstensions that look simply bad now, especially Isaac because he was hurt and had no leveradge in nogotations.
Bamba, Okeke, Cole draft picks are pretty meh. Much better alternatives left on table.

For all the crap Hennigan got, he at least tried to do something in terms of building team. Weltman is master of doing nothing and selling it like a plan.

Weltman has completely conned ownership since he got here. I don't think he's ever tried to build a contender. Every move he makes is about extending his contractual life. He spent 3+ years evaluating Hennigan's team, even though Hennigan was presumably fired for a reason. Then he sells ownership on a complete rebuild that will by definition take years to realize, getting a contract extension in the process. His draft record is abysmal, but somehow tanking to rebuild through the draft seemed like a plausible rebuild strategy. Even Hammond's interview the other day was hilarious. When asked what they planned to do this summer, he was adamant that we should expect nothing because this is going to take a looooonnnnnnngggggg time. Can you imagine telling your boss not to expect anything from you for a few years because you want to let things percolate? I guess we need to see Bamba for another 4 years before we rush to judgment.

25-57
42-40 ( healthiest nba starting 5 since 1991 )
33-40
21-51
20-53

Is there even need to add anything to this? 141-241. 36% win percentage. Magic could go 82-0 next year and they would still have negative cumulative record

When asked what they planned to do this summer, he was adamant that we should expect nothing because this is going to take a looooonnnnnnngggggg time. Can you imagine telling your boss not to expect anything from you for a few years because you want to let things percolate?

We know they won't do anything and next year will be just more of the same.

guess we need to see Bamba for another 4 years before we rush to judgment

Because getting rid of him would mean they admitted mistake, they are not in job of building teams, they are in jobs of feeding their egos.

Hammond is more likable as person...but... 14 years as GM, guy has 0 playoff series wins. You would think even person from a streets would actually win one over decade and half.

[jezzerinho]

They are a shambles, this pair.

One thing I will say, if they manage to come out of this draft with a bona fide star, that will completely change my evaluation, because i don't see any clear star in this year's class (and many agree). And i don't care with which pick they find him.

But up to now they've been a manual on incompetence and self-preservation.

[thelead]

Surgery for a 'minor' hamstring injury isn't normal from what I understand....

That said, I don't care. As long as he's ready to play at the start of the season, heal up big man.

[Magic_Kingdom]

Surgery for a 'minor' hamstring injury isn't normal from what I understand....

That said, I don't care. As long as he's ready to play at the start of the season, heal up big man.

That's why the team failed to mention the exact nature of the injury or the type of surgical procedure in the press release. It was minor and small, move along, nothing to see here.

The fact that he suffered a surgical hamstring injury without even reaching the point of full practice participant decreases the odds that we see him at the start of next season. The lower extremity injuries are starting to pile up and it's been almost 20 months since he played his last game. If he does start the season there is probably a zero percent chance he finishes it.

[thelead]

Surgery for a 'minor' hamstring injury isn't normal from what I understand....

That said, I don't care. As long as he's ready to play at the start of the season, heal up big man.

That's why the team failed to mention the exact nature of the injury or the type of surgical procedure in the press release. It was minor and small, move along, nothing to see here.

The fact that he suffered a surgical hamstring injury without even reaching the point of full practice participant decreases the odds that we see him at the start of next season. The lower extremity injuries are starting to pile up and it's been almost 20 months since he played his last game. If he does start the season there is probably a zero percent chance he finishes it.

That's fine. Then we don't pick up his PO if there is one and move along. Either way, it has little impact on moves this summer. We'll see what happens next year.

[swarlesbarkley]

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[Xatticus]

Qanon-friendly!

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Well... that's it. What was left of Isaac's potential trade value is officially dead. May it rest in peace.

[RichCollab]

I have lowered my expectations to zero at this point.

[thelead]

Qanon-friendly!

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Saw this earlier... still can't believe it's true... and I bet the DeVos' endorse it and love it too

[MagicFan101]

Let Isaac collect his paychecks in a bunker somewhere until his contract runs out. It’s not like that would be any different than how we are operating today.

It’s time to forget this dude completely. Draft a young PF and move on.

[Magic_Kingdom]

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Qanon friendly, great. On the bill with the Pillow Guy and Michael Flynn (pleaded guilty twice to lying to federal investigators).

Sort of takes the mystery out of why the DeVos family pays him tens of millions of dollars to not play basketball.

[RookieStar]

Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?

[RookieStar]

Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?

[basketballRob]

I'm just curious how he physically looks at the conference. I know some of his really big fans here watch his every move.

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[thelead]

Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?

I personally don't care as long as he can play at an elite level... but... I do worry about how the young guys take to his crazy. I dismissed his choice on the vaccine but hanging out with the Qanon crowd... that's hard to just ignore. Teammates don't have to be friends but weird distractions aren't needed either. Then to top it all off, he hasn't played in nearly 2 years... is he worth the crazy?

[Xatticus]

Btw.. to us non-americans.. why do you pull someone down if he is this Qanon something. I mean what is that?

Secondly, what is worse, flat-earther Kyrie or conspiracy theorists?

Just google it and let your brain answer those questions for you.