Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 3

[3ammy3uck3ts]

We just lost to the Sixers B team while Bam Jimmy and Lowry all played about their averages and watched an entire 4th quarter of herro being picked on defensively for 9/12 shooting in the 4th quarter alone and Bam is the scapegoat

I think the Herro bias may be worse than it was for our GOAT Wade and that’s just wrong

[Heat_Down_Under]

I’m guessing this garbage post was directed at me? You’re bitching about Bam scoring above his season average on great efficiency lol? Im not surprised you think this game was lost on the offensive end (it wasn’t).

Corey brewer scored 50, he’s better than any player who has never scored 50 by what you’re saying about KAT lol. Please don’t reply, you don’t have anything other than a bunch of troll comments

Lollll we have bam “the best defender in the world” and they had there 2 offensive juggernauts missing and we still lost on “the defensive end”. Let’s keep blaming the guys on the rookie contracts.. I’m a heat first fan I hope Herro doesn’t get paid and leaves same as yurt don’t care… but once butler and lowry is washed (which is looking like soon) u think bam is gonna carry the team offensively? He ain’t no Garnett on the timberwolves, he ain’t no bosh on the raptors…
He’s not even a rebounding machine… he’s not even a max player. Don’t get butt hurt that your guy isn’t worth what he’s getting paid.

So defense is a one man thing now brother you’re out of your league here, sit this one out.

Hahahaha says the guy talking sh*t about gobert…

[Heat_Down_Under]

If Bam sat in the paint all game long defensively you better believe he’d be a rebounding and shot blocking machine lol. But I understand that majority of you don’t understand the things he unlocks being able to defend anywhere on the court and not have to be camped in the paint like someone like Yurt or Dedmon

Hahaha keep telling urself that… the only reason he defends the way he does is he gets owned by every centre that’s taller in the paint… there’s a reason why he will never be the best centre in the league.. and it’s always easy to blame the players that are stuck guarding the bigger players while bams on the perimeter…

[twix2500]

There is a chronic injury that Jimmy is dealing with. Im not sure its the toe problem which the symptoms are consistent with. But since he had that injury in December his lift and explosion has been bad. Jimmy is a soldier but a player can only hide an injury so much. I said a few times since December that Jimmy is favoring a foot or leg. You see it when he does his jumper you see him hesitate around the rim. And unfortunately its gonna carry into the playoffs.

Its why I keep harping on Bam and Lowry to pick up their games. Herro has the other two big contract players need to as well. I was hoping Bam will start to incorporate himself in the forth quarter and make himself personally responsible for how the Heat wins games. That is what missing from his game. That 4th quarter crunch time scoring. But he is still content on being a on court spectator in the last 5 mins.

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Honestly at this point it doesn't matter to me whether it's injury or decline. If the former, then we simply can't rely on Yimmy's health and if it's the latter then he's no longer capable of being the primary scorer for a high-level offense. Either way, it means he isn't a viable #1 moving forward. Outside of landing a whale this offseason it then becomes crucial for Herro to become our featured #1 next season and Yimmy can focus on the things he's still elite at

Here is the problem. There is no one offensive player that can carry the offense by himself. Not Herro, not Jimmy and not Bam. It has to be all three of them working together. That is why the Heat went after a true point guard, so he could distribute the ball among the three, and those three can focus on scoring.

Here's the thing people need to understand. This can not be about pedestaling or crowning one player. I understand there is fandom for one guy over another, and many want their guy to rise out out of the ashes as Excalibur. It's sports entertainment and that's fandom. But being realistic in order for this team to win a chip this year and next, Butler, Herro and Bam must be a great trio not individuals.

Let's stop saying Butler and Bam are incapable. They both have shown on long stretches they can be potent scorers by averging 23 pts a game this year, so has Herro. The problem is being potent scorers together. In November, Butler was playing at an MVP candidate level prior to injury. 23.6 pts, 5.3 ast, 2.1 stls. He is not incapable or declining talent, he gotten hurt. Same with Bam, showed stretches of dominance, but then when Butler and Herro return he shy away from taken shots. Bam taking shots is his wart. Herro been hellava streaky and we know the ups will have it's downs, because he takes tough shot selections. All three have their warts. There needs to be cohesive balance that all three need to be on point at the same time to battle in these playoffs, specific in the last 5 mins of the 4th. That is why we got Lowry, to get these guys in line. And Lowry knows it and spoke on it in last night press conference.

Will it happen, I do not know. But it has to happen, otherwise there will be big changes this summer. This team needs to be like the 2014 Spurs. No one dominant scorer but their big three did it together.

[Heat_Down_Under]

We just lost to the Sixers B team while Bam Jimmy and Lowry all played about their averages and watched an entire 4th quarter of herro being picked on defensively for 9/12 shooting in the 4th quarter alone and Bam is the scapegoat

I think the Herro bias may be worse than it was for our GOAT Wade and that’s just wrong

As I said get rid of Herro don’t care… bam is the scapegoat because he’s a max player “best defender in the world loll” don’t use the “rookie contract”shooters as a scapegoat “oh if they aren’t scoring there useless to us on the defensive end” bam is useless on the scoring end and gets owned by every elite centre in the league…

[oreon]

We just lost to the Sixers B team while Bam Jimmy and Lowry all played about their averages and watched an entire 4th quarter of herro being picked on defensively for 9/12 shooting in the 4th quarter alone and Bam is the scapegoat

I think the Herro bias may be worse than it was for our GOAT Wade and that’s just wrong

As I said get rid of Herro don’t care… bam is the scapegoat because he’s a max player “best defender in the world loll” don’t use the “rookie contract”shooters as a scapegoat “oh if they aren’t scoring there useless to us on the defensive end” bam is useless on the scoring end and gets owned by every elite centre in the league…

Yeah what fans what to get rid of a homegrown player whose shown immense improvement. If not for the leap Herro made this year this team would be a 4th or 5th seed. Overall Herro has been a huge positive this season. Improvement is a gradual process. Herro wasn't going to wake up and be an elite offensive player. But from what he's done this year, I'm hopeful. In 2 or 3 years if he can keep working in the offseason he can get to that Devin Booker level.
I'm just going to toss away a player because of one game or because he hasn't hit ceiling when he's 22.

[Heat_Down_Under]

We just lost to the Sixers B team while Bam Jimmy and Lowry all played about their averages and watched an entire 4th quarter of herro being picked on defensively for 9/12 shooting in the 4th quarter alone and Bam is the scapegoat

I think the Herro bias may be worse than it was for our GOAT Wade and that’s just wrong

As I said get rid of Herro don’t care… bam is the scapegoat because he’s a max player “best defender in the world loll” don’t use the “rookie contract”shooters as a scapegoat “oh if they aren’t scoring there useless to us on the defensive end” bam is useless on the scoring end and gets owned by every elite centre in the league…

Yeah what fans what to get rid of a homegrown player whose shown immense improvement. If not for the leap Herro made this year this team would be a 4th or 5th seed. Overall Herro has been a huge positive this season. Improvement is a gradual process. Herro wasn't going to wake up and be an elite offensive player. But from what he's done this year, I'm hopeful. In 2 or 3 years if he can keep working in the offseason he can get to that Devin Booker level.
I'm just going to toss away a player because of one game or because he hasn't hit ceiling when he's 22.

My reference to get rid of Herro was to say I’m not a Herro homer or any player homer. I’m a heat fan.. I don’t defend anyone.. but it’s funny when max players get the finger pointed at them certain posters get butt hurt real quick.. they are “max” for a reason… but aren’t playing to that standard.. I do agree if you though if it wasn’t for herros bench scoring we wouldn’t be number 1 seed..

[twix2500]

As I said get rid of Herro don’t care… bam is the scapegoat because he’s a max player “best defender in the world loll” don’t use the “rookie contract”shooters as a scapegoat “oh if they aren’t scoring there useless to us on the defensive end” bam is useless on the scoring end and gets owned by every elite centre in the league…

Yeah what fans what to get rid of a homegrown player whose shown immense improvement. If not for the leap Herro made this year this team would be a 4th or 5th seed. Overall Herro has been a huge positive this season. Improvement is a gradual process. Herro wasn't going to wake up and be an elite offensive player. But from what he's done this year, I'm hopeful. In 2 or 3 years if he can keep working in the offseason he can get to that Devin Booker level.
I'm just going to toss away a player because of one game or because he hasn't hit ceiling when he's 22.

My reference to get rid of Herro was to say I’m not a Herro homer or any player homer. I’m a heat fan.. I don’t defend anyone.. but it’s funny when max players get the finger pointed at them certain posters get butt hurt real quick.. they are “max” for a reason… but aren’t playing to that standard.. I do agree if you though if it wasn’t for herros bench scoring we wouldn’t be number 1 seed..

This team has been carried by a lot of players this season. Herro isnt putting up 40 pt games. A lot players on this team have put up 20 plus point games. This has been an amazing team effort.

[Flash4thewin]

Yeah what fans what to get rid of a homegrown player whose shown immense improvement. If not for the leap Herro made this year this team would be a 4th or 5th seed. Overall Herro has been a huge positive this season. Improvement is a gradual process. Herro wasn't going to wake up and be an elite offensive player. But from what he's done this year, I'm hopeful. In 2 or 3 years if he can keep working in the offseason he can get to that Devin Booker level.
I'm just going to toss away a player because of one game or because he hasn't hit ceiling when he's 22.

My reference to get rid of Herro was to say I’m not a Herro homer or any player homer. I’m a heat fan.. I don’t defend anyone.. but it’s funny when max players get the finger pointed at them certain posters get butt hurt real quick.. they are “max” for a reason… but aren’t playing to that standard.. I do agree if you though if it wasn’t for herros bench scoring we wouldn’t be number 1 seed..

This team has been carried by a lot of players this season. Herro isnt putting up 40 pt games. A lot players on this team have put up 20 plus point games. This has been an amazing team effort.

That strategy works great for the regular season, the playoffs are a different animal and its talent and stars who rise to the top. I forgot who said it but yes this team reminds me of the pacers from the Big Three era, thats not a good thing at all.

[twix2500]

Just looked at some of the lineup stats

1. Lowry - Herro - Butler - Tucker - Adebayo
Has only played together for 39 mins. OffRtg 102.4 - DefRtg 90.6

2. Lowry - Herro - Butler - Martin - Adebayo
Only 16 mins together. OffRtg 60.0 - DefRtg 110.3

Just for comparison with the starting lineup

3. Lowry - Robinson - Butler - Tucker - Adebayo
375 mins - OffRtg 108.7 - DefRtg 95.7

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Lollll we have bam “the best defender in the world” and they had there 2 offensive juggernauts missing and we still lost on “the defensive end”. Let’s keep blaming the guys on the rookie contracts.. I’m a heat first fan I hope Herro doesn’t get paid and leaves same as yurt don’t care… but once butler and lowry is washed (which is looking like soon) u think bam is gonna carry the team offensively? He ain’t no Garnett on the timberwolves, he ain’t no bosh on the raptors…
He’s not even a rebounding machine… he’s not even a max player. Don’t get butt hurt that your guy isn’t worth what he’s getting paid.

So defense is a one man thing now brother you’re out of your league here, sit this one out.

Hahahaha says the guy talking sh*t about gobert…

I’m not even going to reply to the other nonsense you posted but wtf does this even mean lol?!

[3ammy3uck3ts]

As I said get rid of Herro don’t care… bam is the scapegoat because he’s a max player “best defender in the world loll” don’t use the “rookie contract”shooters as a scapegoat “oh if they aren’t scoring there useless to us on the defensive end” bam is useless on the scoring end and gets owned by every elite centre in the league…

Yeah what fans what to get rid of a homegrown player whose shown immense improvement. If not for the leap Herro made this year this team would be a 4th or 5th seed. Overall Herro has been a huge positive this season. Improvement is a gradual process. Herro wasn't going to wake up and be an elite offensive player. But from what he's done this year, I'm hopeful. In 2 or 3 years if he can keep working in the offseason he can get to that Devin Booker level.
I'm just going to toss away a player because of one game or because he hasn't hit ceiling when he's 22.

My reference to get rid of Herro was to say I’m not a Herro homer or any player homer. I’m a heat fan.. I don’t defend anyone.. but it’s funny when max players get the finger pointed at them certain posters get butt hurt real quick.. they are “max” for a reason… but aren’t playing to that standard.. I do agree if you though if it wasn’t for herros bench scoring we wouldn’t be number 1 seed..

You’re 100% a Herro/Yurt stan while being a Bam hater. As weird as it may be those are the facts

[Wiltside]

Another day, another Herro/Bam chitfight

[twix2500]

Found some more fourth quarter stats.

In the last 5 mins of 5 pts or less, I am assuming the 4th (Clutch Splits)

OffRtg 103.1
DefRtg 103.2


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[Heat_Down_Under]

Yeah what fans what to get rid of a homegrown player whose shown immense improvement. If not for the leap Herro made this year this team would be a 4th or 5th seed. Overall Herro has been a huge positive this season. Improvement is a gradual process. Herro wasn't going to wake up and be an elite offensive player. But from what he's done this year, I'm hopeful. In 2 or 3 years if he can keep working in the offseason he can get to that Devin Booker level.
I'm just going to toss away a player because of one game or because he hasn't hit ceiling when he's 22.

My reference to get rid of Herro was to say I’m not a Herro homer or any player homer. I’m a heat fan.. I don’t defend anyone.. but it’s funny when max players get the finger pointed at them certain posters get butt hurt real quick.. they are “max” for a reason… but aren’t playing to that standard.. I do agree if you though if it wasn’t for herros bench scoring we wouldn’t be number 1 seed..

You’re 100% a Herro/Yurt stan while being a Bam hater. As weird as it may be those are the facts

I Can’t be a Herro or yurt stan when I’ve said multiple times I don’t care if they go or stay. I do recall saying multiple times trade yurt elsewhere and said if Herro stayed and got maxed and played with no defence I’d be the first to tear him apart…I don’t hate bam I just say he’s not worth the money he’s getting… you on the other hand put him on a pedestal as best defender in the world, top 3 big in the league, best this best that. If bam got traded you would follow him to the new team… Duncan is not worth the money he’s on, lowry isn’t worth the money he’s on, butlers contract is hanging by a thread and looking bad… call me a hater all you like.. don’t give 2 **** what u think

[3ammy3uck3ts]

My reference to get rid of Herro was to say I’m not a Herro homer or any player homer. I’m a heat fan.. I don’t defend anyone.. but it’s funny when max players get the finger pointed at them certain posters get butt hurt real quick.. they are “max” for a reason… but aren’t playing to that standard.. I do agree if you though if it wasn’t for herros bench scoring we wouldn’t be number 1 seed..

You’re 100% a Herro/Yurt stan while being a Bam hater. As weird as it may be those are the facts

I Can’t be a Herro or yurt stan when I’ve said multiple times I don’t care if they go or stay. I do recall saying multiple times trade yurt elsewhere and said if Herro stayed and got maxed and played with no defence I’d be the first to tear him apart…I don’t hate bam I just say he’s not worth the money he’s getting… you on the other hand put him on a pedestal as best defender in the world, top 3 big in the league, best this best that. If bam got traded you would follow him to the new team… Duncan is not worth the money he’s on, lowry isn’t worth the money he’s on, butlers contract is hanging by a thread and looking bad… call me a hater all you like.. don’t give 2 **** what u think

I wouldn’t follow Bam lmao, he’s not even my favorite player on the Heat you all just say such outlandish dumb **** I feel the need to comment on it.

You add nothing of substance in your discussions and nothing you ever say is backed by anything, just a bunch of nonsense. Sit this one out.

[Heat_Down_Under]

You’re 100% a Herro/Yurt stan while being a Bam hater. As weird as it may be those are the facts

I Can’t be a Herro or yurt stan when I’ve said multiple times I don’t care if they go or stay. I do recall saying multiple times trade yurt elsewhere and said if Herro stayed and got maxed and played with no defence I’d be the first to tear him apart…I don’t hate bam I just say he’s not worth the money he’s getting… you on the other hand put him on a pedestal as best defender in the world, top 3 big in the league, best this best that. If bam got traded you would follow him to the new team… Duncan is not worth the money he’s on, lowry isn’t worth the money he’s on, butlers contract is hanging by a thread and looking bad… call me a hater all you like.. don’t give 2 **** what u think

I wouldn’t follow Bam lmao, he’s not even my favorite player on the Heat you all just say such outlandish dumb **** I feel the need to comment on it.

You add nothing of substance in your discussions and nothing you ever say is backed by anything, just a bunch of nonsense. Sit this one out.

I stopped reading after bam isn’t even my fav player on the heat…

[harlem_ball]

Another day, another Herro/Bam chitfight

A total waste of time. These posters here can be a drag with that and that sammysucksTS (transexual?) Poster brings that toxic waste in here so much I've lost the will to read any of it.

The rational Heat followers are trying to win a title now. Bam and Herro, Butler and Lowry can all be traded, so fn what. The trade deadline passed already. So dumb. Time to win together or go home

Heat are in first place but reading these fools you would think they were out of the hunt.

[oreon]

My reference to get rid of Herro was to say I’m not a Herro homer or any player homer. I’m a heat fan.. I don’t defend anyone.. but it’s funny when max players get the finger pointed at them certain posters get butt hurt real quick.. they are “max” for a reason… but aren’t playing to that standard.. I do agree if you though if it wasn’t for herros bench scoring we wouldn’t be number 1 seed..

This team has been carried by a lot of players this season. Herro isnt putting up 40 pt games. A lot players on this team have put up 20 plus point games. This has been an amazing team effort.

That strategy works great for the regular season, the playoffs are a different animal and its talent and stars who rise to the top. I forgot who said it but yes this team reminds me of the pacers from the Big Three era, thats not a good thing at all.

But this what we have. If he had option Riley would trade the whole roster for someone a Doncic or Giannis, someone in the top 5 category. But guys like that are not available. So Heat gotta make due with great coaching and chemistry and hope that can overcome the teams that far better talent. Fans just need to adjust their expectations for this team and realize a success this season is round 2, anything past we have exceeded expectations.
I'm sure Riley will continue whale hunting in the summer unless this team wins a chip.In the meantime we gotta hope guys like Herro and Bam can continue to grow and maybe get themselves to that top 10 player category. If not, then they are trade bait in the case when one of the elite guys wants a change.

[greg4012]

Honestly at this point it doesn't matter to me whether it's injury or decline. If the former, then we simply can't rely on Yimmy's health and if it's the latter then he's no longer capable of being the primary scorer for a high-level offense. Either way, it means he isn't a viable #1 moving forward. Outside of landing a whale this offseason it then becomes crucial for Herro to become our featured #1 next season and Yimmy can focus on the things he's still elite at

Here is the problem. There is no one offensive player that can carry the offense by himself. Not Herro, not Jimmy and not Bam. It has to be all three of them working together. That is why the Heat went after a true point guard, so he could distribute the ball among the three, and those three can focus on scoring.

Here's the thing people need to understand. This can not be about pedestaling or crowning one player. I understand there is fandom for one guy over another, and many want their guy to rise out out of the ashes as Excalibur. It's sports entertainment and that's fandom. But being realistic in order for this team to win a chip this year and next, Butler, Herro and Bam must be a great trio not individuals.

Let's stop saying Butler and Bam are incapable. They both have shown on long stretches they can be potent scorers by averging 23 pts a game this year, so has Herro. The problem is being potent scorers together. In November, Butler was playing at an MVP candidate level prior to injury. 23.6 pts, 5.3 ast, 2.1 stls. He is not incapable or declining talent, he gotten hurt. Same with Bam, showed stretches of dominance, but then when Butler and Herro return he shy away from taken shots. Bam taking shots is his wart. Herro been hellava streaky and we know the ups will have it's downs, because he takes tough shot selections. All three have their warts. There needs to be cohesive balance that all three need to be on point at the same time to battle in these playoffs, specific in the last 5 mins of the 4th. That is why we got Lowry, to get these guys in line. And Lowry knows it and spoke on it in last night press conference.

Will it happen, I do not know. But it has to happen, otherwise there will be big changes this summer. This team needs to be like the 2014 Spurs. No one dominant scorer but their big three did it together.

Way too level headed and reasoned for this board right now