Offseason Plan

[likwitdesi]

I bet our starting PG next year is either Wall or Westbrook

[SUPERBALLMAN]

I would start by dropping the playoff push this season and playing guys like Ayayi, Todd & Carey to see what they got, and improve our draft positioning.

I would resign Beal (reluctantly). If Harris/Maxey is on the table I'd strongly consider it.

That being said, number 1 priority for me is signing FA Tyus Jones. I just love him for this team. I really think he's a perfect fit, a complimentary pass first PG, smart, doesn't turn it over, makes the right play, defends, and can hit the 3. Age 26.

I'd let Bryant walk, I'd keep Gil. Ish has another year on his contract I believe. I'd resign Sato & let Neto walk.

Draft BPA 1st round... Possibly a player like Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis or Mathurin? I haven't focused on the Draft yet.

I am liking Scottie Pippen Jr and Alondes Williams as 2nd round targets.

[nate33]

I would start by dropping the playoff push this season and playing guys like Ayayi, Todd & Carey to see what they got, and improve our draft positioning.

I would resign Beal (reluctantly). If Harris/Maxey is on the table I'd strongly consider it.

That being said, number 1 priority for me is signing FA Tyus Jones. I just love him for this team. I really think he's a perfect fit, a complimentary pass first PG, smart, doesn't turn it over, makes the right play, defends, and can hit the 3. Age 26.

I'd let Bryant walk, I'd keep Gil. Ish has another year on his contract I believe. I'd resign Sato & let Neto walk.

Draft BPA 1st round... Possibly a player like Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis or Mathurin? I haven't focused on the Draft yet.

I am liking Scottie Pippen Jr and Alondes Williams as 2nd round targets.

I'm in favor of signing Tyus Jones for the MLE.

Hopefully, we draft a guard like Dyson Daniels who can handle the ball and play a little 1 and 2.

Ish's final year is non-guaranteed, so he will probably be cut. Given that we already paying a diminutive PG with our MLE, I'd rather retain Sato as the backup PG. Hopefully he can be had for the $3.7M BAE

I guess Vernon Carey Jr. is our 3rd string center. He'll get a chance given Porzingis' injury history.

That leaves us with the following rotation next year:

PG Jones/Sato
SG Beal/KCP/Daniels
SF Avdija/Kispert
PF Kuzma/Hachimura/Todd
C Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

That's 13 guys. Leaves us room to see if our #53 pick pans out, or some walk on. Maybe we also try and retain Gill

[long suffrin' boulez fan]

I would start by dropping the playoff push this season and playing guys like Ayayi, Todd & Carey to see what they got, and improve our draft positioning.

I would resign Beal (reluctantly). If Harris/Maxey is on the table I'd strongly consider it.

That being said, number 1 priority for me is signing FA Tyus Jones. I just love him for this team. I really think he's a perfect fit, a complimentary pass first PG, smart, doesn't turn it over, makes the right play, defends, and can hit the 3. Age 26.

I'd let Bryant walk, I'd keep Gil. Ish has another year on his contract I believe. I'd resign Sato & let Neto walk.

Draft BPA 1st round... Possibly a player like Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis or Mathurin? I haven't focused on the Draft yet.

I am liking Scottie Pippen Jr and Alondes Williams as 2nd round targets.

I'm in favor of signing Tyus Jones for the MLE.

Hopefully, we draft a guard like Dyson Daniels who can handle the ball and play a little 1 and 2.

Ish's final year is non-guaranteed, so he will probably be cut. Given that we already paying a diminutive PG with our MLE, I'd rather retain Sato as the backup PG. Hopefully he can be had for the $3.7M BAE

I guess Vernon Carey Jr. is our 3rd string center. He'll get a chance given Porzingis' injury history.

That leaves us with the following rotation next year:

PG Jones/Sato
SG Beal/KCP/Daniels
SF Avdija/Kispert
PF Kuzma/Hachimura/Todd
C Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

That's 13 guys. Leaves us room to see if our #53 pick pans out, or some walk on. Maybe we also try and retain Gill

My guess is that that's more or less Tommy's plan. Probably about the best we can do given the almost 100% likelihood that we resign Beal. Some names may change -- Tyus Jones could be Jalen Brunson, Daniels could be Ty Ty -- but I think we're rolling with that core.

Assuming that group stays healthy, what do you see as it's ceiling for wins/season?

[Frichuela]

I would start by dropping the playoff push this season and playing guys like Ayayi, Todd & Carey to see what they got, and improve our draft positioning.

I would resign Beal (reluctantly). If Harris/Maxey is on the table I'd strongly consider it.

That being said, number 1 priority for me is signing FA Tyus Jones. I just love him for this team. I really think he's a perfect fit, a complimentary pass first PG, smart, doesn't turn it over, makes the right play, defends, and can hit the 3. Age 26.

I'd let Bryant walk, I'd keep Gil. Ish has another year on his contract I believe. I'd resign Sato & let Neto walk.

Draft BPA 1st round... Possibly a player like Keegan Murray, Johnny Davis or Mathurin? I haven't focused on the Draft yet.

I am liking Scottie Pippen Jr and Alondes Williams as 2nd round targets.

I'm in favor of signing Tyus Jones for the MLE.

Hopefully, we draft a guard like Dyson Daniels who can handle the ball and play a little 1 and 2.

Ish's final year is non-guaranteed, so he will probably be cut. Given that we already paying a diminutive PG with our MLE, I'd rather retain Sato as the backup PG. Hopefully he can be had for the $3.7M BAE

I guess Vernon Carey Jr. is our 3rd string center. He'll get a chance given Porzingis' injury history.

That leaves us with the following rotation next year:

PG Jones/Sato
SG Beal/KCP/Daniels
SF Avdija/Kispert
PF Kuzma/Hachimura/Todd
C Porzinga/Gafford/Carey

That's 13 guys. Leaves us room to see if our #53 pick pans out, or some walk on. Maybe we also try and retain Gill

My guess is that that's more or less Tommy's plan. Probably about the best we can do given the almost 100% likelihood that we resign Beal. Some names may change -- Tyus Jones could be Jalen Brunson, Daniels could be Ty Ty -- but I think we're rolling with that core.

Assuming that group stays healthy, what do you see as it's ceiling for wins/season?

Very Porzinga dependent I'd say: If Porzingis plays +65 games we may be in the 45 win range but if he plays <40 games we are likely to be headed to the lottery (again)...

[payitforward]

Wizards trade Porzingis for Wall and a the Wizards conditional firts .

Washington would have turned Wall into Kuzma, KCP, Todd and Wall.

I didn't think about asking for that 1st round pick back. That actually a great idea!

We would have turned Wall into Kuzma, KCP, Todd and Wall. Not only is that getting us Kuzma and KCP for free, but we also ended up renting Westbrook, then Dinwiddie, then Porzingis to fill in for Wall for the two seasons he was rehabbing from injury. Essentially, we only traded away the minutes that Wall wasn't even playing.

You're forgetting those all-important cash considerations we got for Holiday. Not to mention the 2 trade exceptions we got in the Harrell & Holiday deals. Plus the R2 pick from Dallas.

IOW, we'd have turned John Wall into Kuzma, KCP, Todd, some $$, a pair of trade exceptions, a R2 pick, & John Wall. Plus, since I presume he'd be signed for the vet minimum, we would then trade him relatively easily for... ??

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[Shoe]

Kuzma and KCP out
Wiggins in?

I wasn't a fan of Wiggins, but he did make the all star team this year, and technically the Wizards would have 3 relatively young all stars on the roster.

Beal
Wiggins
Rui
Porzingis

Kispert
Deni
Gafford
Gill
Top 10 pick
Free agent point guard

[nate33]

Kuzma and KCP out
Wiggins in?

I wasn't a fan of Wiggins, but he did make the all star team this year, and technically the Wizards would have 3 relatively young all stars on the roster.

Beal
Wiggins
Rui
Porzingis

Kispert
Deni
Gafford
Gill
Top 10 pick
Free agent point guard

I know others on this board like the idea, but I'd lean against it.

First of all, Wiggins is actually older than Kuzma, so it doesn't make us any younger. But more importantly, all the players involved have contracts that effectively expire in Summer 2023. As such, none of these guys can be considered part of the long term future - they're just veteran role players that may or may not be signed as free agents in 2023 on a full value (non-bargain) contract.

So I look at the deal solely for how it helps or hurts us next year. Wiggins is probably the best player of the 3, but not by all that much. Talentwise, I think the two of KCP and Kuzma is as good as Wiggins alone, or at least close to it. But I also know for sure that Kuzma will be a healthy influence in the locker room and he will continue to try and improve as a basketball player. I'm much less confident about Wiggins, who has been a disappointment throughout his career relative to his talent level. Wiggins only came close to living up to his talent when surrounded by the Warriors ecosystem - something that we lack.

[Ruzious]

We're not gonna win with Kuzma. He's a nice player but.. there's nothing he excels at. He makes some nice defensive plays, but overall he's a slightly below average defender, a slightly below average 3 point shooter, he turns it over a little more than average, he's a solid rebounder this season but never was before. What he is - is good enough to lose with. We know what his +/- numbers looked like for the Lakers. He's a Tobias Harris type, and the good thing is that his contract is much less than Harris'. And he really will be blocking younger players when everyone's healthy. And they really need to make a decision on whether or not they're going to keep him - which would almost certainly entail over-paying him for the counting numbers.

Wiggins is the kind of player you can win with. He plays excellent defense. He's a very good 3 point shooter. He doesn't have to be high usage to be effective. Basically, he's a better bigger younger version of KCP. And he's a better fit - being primarily a 3. Avdija and Rui are ideally primarily 4's. KCP would be a better fit in a lesser role with GSW - rather than as a starter for us.

[Shoe]

Kuzma and KCP out
Wiggins in?

I wasn't a fan of Wiggins, but he did make the all star team this year, and technically the Wizards would have 3 relatively young all stars on the roster.

Beal
Wiggins
Rui
Porzingis

Kispert
Deni
Gafford
Gill
Top 10 pick
Free agent point guard

I know others on this board like the idea, but I'd lean against it.

First of all, Wiggins is actually older than Kuzma, so it doesn't make us any younger. But more importantly, all the players involved have contracts that effectively expire in Summer 2023. As such, none of these guys can be considered part of the long term future - they're just veteran role players that may or may not be signed as free agents in 2023 on a full value (non-bargain) contract.

So I look at the deal solely for how it helps or hurts us next year. Wiggins is probably the best player of the 3, but not by all that much. Talentwise, I think the two of KCP and Kuzma is as good as Wiggins alone, or at least close to it. But I also know for sure that Kuzma will be a healthy influence in the locker room and he will continue to try and improve as a basketball player. I'm much less confident about Wiggins, who has been a disappointment throughout his career relative to his talent level. Wiggins only came close to living up to his talent when surrounded by the Warriors ecosystem - something that we lack.

Good points. Wiggins without the attention Curry commands could go back to shooting 33% from three. We may also need Kuzma to compensate for Porzingis' lack of rebounding.

I do believe Kuzma and KCP will be sought after players this off-season though. Flexible contracts, experienced role players, solid locker room presences.

[nate33]

Kuzma and KCP out
Wiggins in?

I wasn't a fan of Wiggins, but he did make the all star team this year, and technically the Wizards would have 3 relatively young all stars on the roster.

Beal
Wiggins
Rui
Porzingis

Kispert
Deni
Gafford
Gill
Top 10 pick
Free agent point guard

I know others on this board like the idea, but I'd lean against it.

First of all, Wiggins is actually older than Kuzma, so it doesn't make us any younger. But more importantly, all the players involved have contracts that effectively expire in Summer 2023. As such, none of these guys can be considered part of the long term future - they're just veteran role players that may or may not be signed as free agents in 2023 on a full value (non-bargain) contract.

So I look at the deal solely for how it helps or hurts us next year. Wiggins is probably the best player of the 3, but not by all that much. Talentwise, I think the two of KCP and Kuzma is as good as Wiggins alone, or at least close to it. But I also know for sure that Kuzma will be a healthy influence in the locker room and he will continue to try and improve as a basketball player. I'm much less confident about Wiggins, who has been a disappointment throughout his career relative to his talent level. Wiggins only came close to living up to his talent when surrounded by the Warriors ecosystem - something that we lack.

Good points. Wiggins without the attention Curry commands could go back to shooting 33% from three. We may also need Kuzma to compensate for Porzingis' lack of rebounding.

I do believe Kuzma and KCP will be sought after players this off-season though. Flexible contracts, experienced role players, solid locker room presences.

One other thought: if one assumes that none of these guys will be kept beyond 2023, then we are ultimately comparing which of the 3 players will have the most value in a Trade Deadline scenario next season. Looking at it that way, I'd MUCH rather have the Kuzma/KCP duo. Both of those contracts are manageable and could easily be moved to a contender for a modest sized expiring contract and a pick.

Wiggins is pretty much immovable with that contract. No contending team will have that much expendable "cap filler" at the Trade Deadline to trade for Wiggins.

[nate33]

We're not gonna win with Kuzma. He's a nice player but.. there's nothing he excels at. He makes some nice defensive plays, but overall he's a slightly below average defender, a slightly below average 3 point shooter, he turns it over a little more than average, he's a solid rebounder this season but never was before. What he is - is good enough to lose with. We know what his +/- numbers looked like for the Lakers. He's a Tobias Harris type, and the good thing is that his contract is much less than Harris'. And he really will be blocking younger players when everyone's healthy. And they really need to make a decision on whether or not they're going to keep him - which would almost certainly entail over-paying him for the counting numbers.

Wiggins is the kind of player you can win with. He plays excellent defense. He's a very good 3 point shooter. He doesn't have to be high usage to be effective. Basically, he's a better bigger younger version of KCP. And he's a better fit - being primarily a 3. Avdija and Rui are ideally primarily 4's. KCP would be a better fit in a lesser role with GSW - rather than as a starter for us.

This is a fair point, but only if one assumes this team is a solid playoff team next year. They're not. They're a rebuilding team. And as a rebuilding team, I think the Wizards can do more with Kuzma and KCP as assets than Wiggins.

[DCZards]

So I look at the deal solely for how it helps or hurts us next year. Wiggins is probably the best player of the 3, but not by all that much. Talentwise, I think the two of KCP and Kuzma is as good as Wiggins alone, or at least close to it. But I also know for sure that Kuzma will be a healthy influence in the locker room and he will continue to try and improve as a basketball player. I'm much less confident about Wiggins, who has been a disappointment throughout his career relative to his talent level. Wiggins only came close to living up to his talent when surrounded by the Warriors ecosystem - something that we lack.

Wiggins has no doubt benefitted from being in the Warriors' system. But let's remember that he was put in tough situation at the outset of his career—drafted #1 as a teenager and sent to Minny where he was expected to replace the all-star Kevin Love.

I think what we're seeing now is Wiggins natural maturity as a player and as a person. There's also no indication that Wiggins doesn't work on his game--and won't continue to do so regardless of where he's playing. He should get most of the credit for the growth that he's shown over the last few years because that's not something that comes from simply being in the Warriors ecosystem.

I'd seriously consider trading KCP and Kuzma for Wiggins. I do agree that the Zards would miss Kuzma's leadership skills tho. Kuz really seems to know how to connect with and get a positive response from the younger players, especially Deni.

[Ruzious]

We're not gonna win with Kuzma. He's a nice player but.. there's nothing he excels at. He makes some nice defensive plays, but overall he's a slightly below average defender, a slightly below average 3 point shooter, he turns it over a little more than average, he's a solid rebounder this season but never was before. What he is - is good enough to lose with. We know what his +/- numbers looked like for the Lakers. He's a Tobias Harris type, and the good thing is that his contract is much less than Harris'. And he really will be blocking younger players when everyone's healthy. And they really need to make a decision on whether or not they're going to keep him - which would almost certainly entail over-paying him for the counting numbers.

Wiggins is the kind of player you can win with. He plays excellent defense. He's a very good 3 point shooter. He doesn't have to be high usage to be effective. Basically, he's a better bigger younger version of KCP. And he's a better fit - being primarily a 3. Avdija and Rui are ideally primarily 4's. KCP would be a better fit in a lesser role with GSW - rather than as a starter for us.

This is a fair point, but only if one assumes this team is a solid playoff team next year. They're not. They're a rebuilding team. And as a rebuilding team, I think the Wizards can do more with Kuzma and KCP as assets than Wiggins.

They probably should be a rebuilding team, but they're really not. I don't see them trading Beal, and as long as he's here, they'll try to win now. Not saying they'll go all in and trade young'ns and picks, but they'll be playing more for the present than the future.

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Let Tommy's panic process begin...

[nate33]

I wish I new the real story on why Dinwiddie didn't mesh well with Beal. Dinwiddie is certainly "a bigger PG who can shoot, defend and attack the rim".

[NatP4]

I think the Kuzma sign and trade to Dallas is by far the best move on the table. Jalen Brunson is exactly the type of guard that can give Beal the spacing he wants on those pin downs. He’s well worth 20 mill/year. Quality starter in his prime. He’s not coming off a torn ACL or anything. I don’t care what anyone says, Kuzma now has 5 full seasons and over 10,000 minutes of being a total boat anchor with horrendous on/off numbers. It’s addition by subtraction.

With the G-league ignite team being done with the season, Dyson Daniels really isn’t going to rise up the draft board anymore. He’s pretty much landed in that 12-16 range. That’s a guard that has quality size/length and can get into the lane and breakdown the defense and dish 5+ assists a night. His shot was really coming around as the year progressed. Looking like a Lonzo Ball clone that can dominate the game defensively. That’s gotta be our pick IMO.

Use the MLE to bring back Otto in a reduced role like the one he’s playing in GS. 20 minutes a night off the bench.

Brunson Daniels
Beal Kispert
KCP Otto
Avdija Hachimura
Porzingis Gafford

[Frichuela]

I think the Kuzma sign and trade to Dallas is by far the best move on the table. Jalen Brunson is exactly the type of guard that can give Beal the spacing he wants on those pin downs. He’s well worth 20 mill/year. Quality starter in his prime. He’s not coming off a torn ACL or anything. I don’t care what anyone says, Kuzma now has 5 full seasons and over 10,000 minutes of being a total boat anchor with horrendous on/off numbers. It’s addition by subtraction.

With the G-league ignite team being done with the season, Dyson Daniels really isn’t going to rise up the draft board anymore. He’s pretty much landed in that 12-16 range. That’s a guard that has quality size/length and can get into the lane and breakdown the defense and dish 5+ assists a night. His shot was really coming around as the year progressed. Looking like a Lonzo Ball clone that can dominate the game defensively. That’s gotta be our pick IMO.

Use the MLE to bring back Otto in a reduced role like the one he’s playing in GS. 20 minutes a night off the bench.

Brunson Daniels
Beal Kispert
KCP Otto
Avdija Hachimura
Porzingis Gafford

Yes sir! 1000%. Deep team, much better than the current disjointed squad. And Daniels is going to be a pro.

[payitforward]

I don't get the "Kuzma sign and trade" idea, since he's under contract. If you mean we acquire Brunson that way, forget about it. First off, Brunson is going to get a big enough payday to make him un-affordable for us. Secondly, Dallas wouldn't take Kuzma for him, you can be sure of that.

I also don't understand the idea of trying to acquire Andrew Wiggins. What would that be...? $112m for Beal, Porzingis & Wiggins? Three players who have combined to do nothing in the league.

Because we are, just as nate says, a rebuilding team, it'd make more sense to try to get Aaron Wiggins! But OKC will pick up his option & likely sign him for multiple years.