Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher)

[440BB]

Whether this Portland deal happens or not, this kind of story certainly helps Grant's value a bit going into the post season. If it does come about and is primarily for picks and opening up cap space, I see it as leverage for trades more than free agents. There will be teams that need a partner to solve their logjams and luxury tax problems and we may pull off upgrades through less obvious methods.

What deals Weaver swings after the lottery will be interesting. I'm hoping for a good surprise but also suspect he may hold on to cap space for some time as things play out.

[vege]

If it does come about and is primarily for picks and opening up cap space, I see it as leverage for trades more than free agents. There will be teams that need a partner to solve their logjams and luxury tax problems and we may pull off upgrades through less obvious methods.

Yes, we need to get more late 2nds with our cap space in trades, so we can throw 2nds away in future trades.

The Brooklyn Nets have acquired forward Sekou Doumbouya and center Jahlil Okafor from the Detroit Pistons in exchange for center DeAndre Jordan, second round draft picks in 2022, 2024 (via Washington), 2025 (via Golden State) and 2027 and cash considerations.

This is what our raw cap space is worth.

[Manocad]

It will be interesting to see how much actual interest there is in Grant vs just a writer creating clickbait by using "sources say that..." and pretty much inserting any team who the writer thinks a trade for Grant makes sense.

[mattao313]

I'd hope we trade him for that pick and they absorb his contract totally. Cap space plus a decent pick is great value and we don't have to worry about paying him either. Getting a guy like Brunson pretty much replaces Grant's product anyway same with one of the draft picks hopefully in the future.

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[Cowology]

I'd hope we trade him for that pick and they absorb his contract totally. Cap space plus a decent pick is great value and we don't have to worry about paying him either. Getting a guy like Brunson pretty much replaces Grant's product anyway same with one of the draft picks hopefully in the future.

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Why would they do this?

[mattao313]

I'd hope we trade him for that pick and they absorb his contract totally. Cap space plus a decent pick is great value and we don't have to worry about paying him either. Getting a guy like Brunson pretty much replaces Grant's product anyway same with one of the draft picks hopefully in the future.

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Why would they do this?

Idk the rumor is Portland wants him

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[Cowology]

I'd hope we trade him for that pick and they absorb his contract totally. Cap space plus a decent pick is great value and we don't have to worry about paying him either. Getting a guy like Brunson pretty much replaces Grant's product anyway same with one of the draft picks hopefully in the future.

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Why would they do this?

Idk the rumor is Portland wants him

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Sure, but ignore the "rumor" and put yourself in their shoes.

If the Pistons had cap space and a mid-1st rounder would you want them to give up both for a guy like Grant? He's not even an All-Star and is on an expiring contract. I'd be furious if we made that move! You'd keep the pick and just use the money in FA, right?

IF they are giving up the pick then it's an exchange of salary that allows them to preserve cap-space. There is zero incentive for them to give up 2 types of value for a guy who'd they'd still have to extend. That's incompetence of the highest level, imo.

[mattao313]

Why would they do this?

Idk the rumor is Portland wants him

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Sure, but ignore the "rumor" and put yourself in their shoes.

If the Pistons had cap space and a mid-1st rounder would you want them to give up both for a guy like Grant? He's not even an All-Star and is on an expiring contract. I'd be furious if we made that move! You'd keep the pick and just use the money in FA, right?

IF they are giving up the pick then it's an exchange of salary that allows them to preserve cap-space. There is zero incentive for them to give up 2 types of value for a guy who'd they'd still have to extend. That's incompetence of the highest level, imo.

Well the rumor is what brought up the discussion and it's also by one of the most reliable source Shams right with WOJ.

But Portland may want to reload with Damian Lillard and Grant is a guy Lillard likes. I personally wouldn't do it but that's on them.

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[Cowology]

Idk the rumor is Portland wants him

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Sure, but ignore the "rumor" and put yourself in their shoes.

If the Pistons had cap space and a mid-1st rounder would you want them to give up both for a guy like Grant? He's not even an All-Star and is on an expiring contract. I'd be furious if we made that move! You'd keep the pick and just use the money in FA, right?

IF they are giving up the pick then it's an exchange of salary that allows them to preserve cap-space. There is zero incentive for them to give up 2 types of value for a guy who'd they'd still have to extend. That's incompetence of the highest level, imo.

Well the rumor is what brought up the discussion and it's also by one of the most reliable source Shams right with WOJ.

But Portland may want to reload with Damian Lillard and Grant is a guy Lillard likes. I personally wouldn't do it but that's on them.

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Saying they are rumored to be interested in Grant is one thing. Suggesting they would absorb his salary AND give up a pick is another. Use some common sense here.

There could be a rumor that we're interested in Robinson. That doesn't mean we leap to the conclusion that we'd be willing to give him the max or trade our pick in a S&T. Those are not logical leaps to make and especially not based on a singular rumor that doesn't even include that level of detail. Just think it through.

[mattao313]

Sure, but ignore the "rumor" and put yourself in their shoes.

If the Pistons had cap space and a mid-1st rounder would you want them to give up both for a guy like Grant? He's not even an All-Star and is on an expiring contract. I'd be furious if we made that move! You'd keep the pick and just use the money in FA, right?

IF they are giving up the pick then it's an exchange of salary that allows them to preserve cap-space. There is zero incentive for them to give up 2 types of value for a guy who'd they'd still have to extend. That's incompetence of the highest level, imo.

Well the rumor is what brought up the discussion and it's also by one of the most reliable source Shams right with WOJ.

But Portland may want to reload with Damian Lillard and Grant is a guy Lillard likes. I personally wouldn't do it but that's on them.

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Saying they are rumored to be interested in Grant is one thing. Suggesting they would absorb his salary AND give up a pick is another. Use some common sense here.

There could be a rumor that we're interested in Robinson. That doesn't mean we leap to the conclusion that we'd be willing to give him the max or trade our pick in a S&T. Those are not logical leaps to make and especially not based on a singular rumor that doesn't even include that level of detail. Just think it through.

First of all I said I hope second even if they don't want to absorb him he'd still be traded for bledsoe who would be cut for salary. So he'd still be traded for a pick and cap space

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[Cowology]

Well the rumor is what brought up the discussion and it's also by one of the most reliable source Shams right with WOJ.

But Portland may want to reload with Damian Lillard and Grant is a guy Lillard likes. I personally wouldn't do it but that's on them.

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Saying they are rumored to be interested in Grant is one thing. Suggesting they would absorb his salary AND give up a pick is another. Use some common sense here.

There could be a rumor that we're interested in Robinson. That doesn't mean we leap to the conclusion that we'd be willing to give him the max or trade our pick in a S&T. Those are not logical leaps to make and especially not based on a singular rumor that doesn't even include that level of detail. Just think it through.

First of all I said I hope second even if they don't want to absorb him he'd still be traded for bledsoe who would be cut for salary. So he'd still be traded for a pick and cap space

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And why wouldn't Portland just cut Bledsoe themselves, save the $15 mil and the pick and go to FA? I'm going to keep asking the same questions; where is the benefit to Portland? Why give up assets they don't need to give up?

[mattao313]

Saying they are rumored to be interested in Grant is one thing. Suggesting they would absorb his salary AND give up a pick is another. Use some common sense here.

There could be a rumor that we're interested in Robinson. That doesn't mean we leap to the conclusion that we'd be willing to give him the max or trade our pick in a S&T. Those are not logical leaps to make and especially not based on a singular rumor that doesn't even include that level of detail. Just think it through.

First of all I said I hope second even if they don't want to absorb him he'd still be traded for bledsoe who would be cut for salary. So he'd still be traded for a pick and cap space

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And why wouldn't Portland just cut Bledsoe themselves, save the $15 mil and the pick and go to FA? I'm going to keep asking the same questions; where is the benefit to Portland? Why give up assets they don't need to give up?

What's the point of keep asking it's literally a discussion about a rumor for a very trustworthy source. I gave you there reason you just choose to ignore it. You're just arguing for no reason at this point.

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[Cowology]

First of all I said I hope second even if they don't want to absorb him he'd still be traded for bledsoe who would be cut for salary. So he'd still be traded for a pick and cap space

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And why wouldn't Portland just cut Bledsoe themselves, save the $15 mil and the pick and go to FA? I'm going to keep asking the same questions; where is the benefit to Portland? Why give up assets they don't need to give up?

What's the point of keep asking it's literally a discussion about a rumor for a very trustworthy source. I gave you there reason you just choose to ignore it. You're just arguing for no reason at this point.

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Here is the rumor...

The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to seriously pursue Pistons forward Jerami Grant in the offseason, sources said. Armed with the Pelicans' 2022 first-round draft selection, the Trail Blazers will explore offering the pick should it fall between Nos. 5 and 14 in the June draft

What the "rumor" does not say is that they would also be willing to absorb his contract. That part you just made up. And you still can't explain why that would make sense for them. And just because there is a rumor doesn't even make it true. It's not gospel. All I'm asking is you apply a little critical thinking and common sense here.

[Piston Pete]

End of the day, if we get offered a TPE/lottery pick for Grant, we take it.

[Manocad]

I personally think there's a lot less interest in Grant than we've been lead to believe. But that kind of a story doesn't generate clicks. The reality is that the Pistons may choose not to extend him, no one trades for him, and he signs somewhere else and the Pistons get nothing other than the cap space to spend on his replacement. And that's fine; that situation doesn't damage the team's situation. It's just doesn't improve it.

[Cowology]

End of the day, if we get offered a TPE/lottery pick for Grant, we take it.

IF we got offered a TPE/Lotto pick I'd jump on it. I'd also jump on Bledsoe/Lottery Pick. I just don't think it's realistic.

I'd also settle for Bledsoe OR TPE and a 2nd round pick just to get the cap space. It sounds bad to "give up" a guy for nothing, but it's really just a round about way of reallocating his salary to a greater position of need because we have the cap space. It's essentially the same thing as trading him for a comparable player, except we have the extra step of having to go out court and negotiate a deal with said player.

I get this one puts me in the minority though and I think my dislike for Grant in a Pistons uni is pretty well established at this point.

[mattao313]

And why wouldn't Portland just cut Bledsoe themselves, save the $15 mil and the pick and go to FA? I'm going to keep asking the same questions; where is the benefit to Portland? Why give up assets they don't need to give up?

What's the point of keep asking it's literally a discussion about a rumor for a very trustworthy source. I gave you there reason you just choose to ignore it. You're just arguing for no reason at this point.

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Here is the rumor...

The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to seriously pursue Pistons forward Jerami Grant in the offseason, sources said. Armed with the Pelicans' 2022 first-round draft selection, the Trail Blazers will explore offering the pick should it fall between Nos. 5 and 14 in the June draft

What the "rumor" does not say is that they would also be willing to absorb his contract. That part you just made up. And you still can't explain why that would make sense for them. And just because there is a rumor doesn't even make it true. It's not gospel. All I'm asking is you apply a little critical thinking and common sense here.

I never said the rumor is gospel I clearly said I hope.

Also since you don't think they'll use cap space who will they trade him for?

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[Sort]

In general, the Piston faithful tend to overvalue current players, but not with Grant. He's obviously not an all star, but when he's your third or better yet your fourth best player, you are talking serious post season possibilities.

[Manocad]

End of the day, if we get offered a TPE/lottery pick for Grant, we take it.

IF we got offered a TPE/Lotto pick I'd jump on it. I'd also jump on Bledsoe/Lottery Pick. I just don't think it's realistic.

I'd also settle for Bledsoe OR TPE and a 2nd round pick just to get the cap space. It sounds bad to "give up" a guy for nothing, but it's really just a round about way of reallocating his salary to a greater position of need because we have the cap space. It's essentially the same thing as trading him for a comparable player, except we have the extra step of having to go out court and negotiate a deal with said player.

I get this one puts me in the minority though and I think my dislike for Grant in a Pistons uni is pretty well established at this point.

Eh, it doesn't change reality. Like him or not, Grant's value is obviously dictated by the market and that should be the expectation for the return for Grant. I think people who like him may expect too much and the converse may be true as well.

[Cowology]

What's the point of keep asking it's literally a discussion about a rumor for a very trustworthy source. I gave you there reason you just choose to ignore it. You're just arguing for no reason at this point.

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Here is the rumor...

The Portland Trail Blazers are expected to seriously pursue Pistons forward Jerami Grant in the offseason, sources said. Armed with the Pelicans' 2022 first-round draft selection, the Trail Blazers will explore offering the pick should it fall between Nos. 5 and 14 in the June draft

What the "rumor" does not say is that they would also be willing to absorb his contract. That part you just made up. And you still can't explain why that would make sense for them. And just because there is a rumor doesn't even make it true. It's not gospel. All I'm asking is you apply a little critical thinking and common sense here.

I never said the rumor is gospel I clearly said I hope.

Also since you don't think they'll use cap space who will they trade him for?

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I thought Bledsoe made perfect sense before I found out his contact was only partially guaranteed. That extra $15 mil is a pretty big deal. As is they'd almost have to include Josh Hart, especially since they are jammed up at the SG position with Simons likely to get a big contract. But the value get's a little wonky because Hart is a decent asset who put up better than expected numbers after being traded.

I also think Portland is in a rough spot because they're caught between trying to rebuild and trying to win with Lillard. IMO they should blow it up and ship Dame to a contender. Dude deserve a chance to win. If they insist on sending out picks in order to try and compete now they are just going to wind up a mediocre team with a worse future, but in that context landing Grant sorta makes sense. It's like us spending on BG/CV. I dunno, I tend to think there isn't really a trade here. But I'll be happy to be wrong.