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[thebuzzardman]

animorphs w/o cropping out the background is a classic rookie mistake



if you ever need me to photoshop something for you buzzie - you don't hesitate for a moment ok? your morning gospel deserves to be delivered w/ 100% clarity ...

Randle's face needs to be on Eyore, stat!

[prophet_of_rage]

Holyyyy this was mid game? Damn if we only could hear what was said

Other team standing idle like

But ... but ... only Julius does stuff like that, right? Players and coaches argue. It's a high testosterone game.

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No one said "ONLY JULIUS DOES STUFF LIKE THAT"

Another straw man argument to pretend you were right about something. Get a hobby

I have several. And one is the same as yours.

If you'll revisit the whole Juliuys slapping the computer thread I said this stuff was commonplace and the pearl clutching was overwrought. There was plenty to be critical of without going to extremes.

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[prophet_of_rage]

Let the kids keep cooking

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Wish Mitch could have been part of it! Might of had 20

Better they played Sims, who can actually set a correct screen.

And actually gets out of the way from time to time.

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[FrozenEnvelope]

Probably my favorite win of the season tbh. Very fun and entertaining to watch the kids! And it doesn't get much better then 121 points on 30 assists (7 TOs) and 20/45 from three! Thank you Charlotte for playing All-Star Game defense!

Very happy for Obi and Sims taking advantage of the opportunity. Both brought energy and finished. The entire team did a great job of finding them for dunks. It's never easy to score 28 points without any plays being called for you as a big.

Another 30 burger for RJ! Love how he's mixing it up and he's finishing better (don't know the stats but the eye test) with his right hand.

Hate Fournier breaking Starks record. I hope to forget Fournier was ever here.

Only complaint is IQ only getting 21 minutes. Give him 30!

Hoping Randle sits out the rest of the season. Use these final 10 games to boost trade value and evaluate.

[prophet_of_rage]

Wish Mitch could have been part of it! Might of had 20

Better they played Sims, who can actually set a correct screen.

Looks like he's always kind of slipped the screen to get a running headstart before the defense could react

Watch on YouTube

Kind of like Amare

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I forgot how stacked those PHX teams were. Shame they never won one

The hip check of death. They should have won in 07.

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[DaGawd]

Damn I didn’t even watch or feel the need to come on here and read the board to find out how it went… my interest levels are pretty much all but shot

[thebuzzardman]

Wish Mitch could have been part of it! Might of had 20

Better they played Sims, who can actually set a correct screen.

Looks like he's always kind of slipped the screen to get a running headstart before the defense could react

Watch on YouTube

Kind of like Amare

Watch on YouTube

I forgot how stacked those PHX teams were. Shame they never won one

True.

He'd have probably had a good game.

Per my other post, Knicks need to make some decisions.

Easy ones include jettisoning Noel into the sun, trading Randle. At least for me. Or invert that.

Anyway, Let Mitch go if they insist on keeping Randle and Obi. Either one needs time at the 5. RJ and Cam could use time at the 4.
This probably doesn't work if Thibs is the coach.

Move Randle for Zion. Try to keep Obi. It's unlikely to be the case, but even in this scenario, Noel needs to go. Or Mitch. My preference is Mitch stays, but again, I'd like to see the Knicks make decisions that make some sort of sense.

Once the Knicks resigned Randle, with RJ's extension surely on their mind, the Knicks decided to operate over the cap. We've covered this and Cohen from Macri's thing goes over it well. There are MLE benefits to doing it, at least for a few years. Knicks will have the larger MLE this offseason - the one that alternates.

Just resign Mitch, if he's willing. He might chase the extra 3 million per a team can offer, since the Knicks kind of overpaid him for a few years. But I'd give him the max the Knicks can offer. He'd still be moveable in a future trade, and Knicks kind of committed to operating with trades for the next 4 years anyway.

Richardmany4's or BXetcetc may have different points to make.

[Marty McFly]

22 actually...

most ot David Lee and Al Harrington. Those two had ridiculous stat lines too..they combined for 73 pts and 33 rebs between the two.

God damn I hated how often dudu and Avi would overlook gallo and a Wilson to pad their stats.

Watch your mouth when you speak about D-Lee.

Or what?

[snadler]

Team played with a lot of joy last night, like a burden had been lifted (Randle) and it was a pleasure to watch. Of course it just makes you wonder what kind of #’s Obi would be putting up if he not only got Randle’s minutes, but also didn’t have to play knowing every mistake he makes is getting him pulled

[Iron Mantis]

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[dakomish23]

But ... but ... only Julius does stuff like that, right? Players and coaches argue. It's a high testosterone game.

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No one said "ONLY JULIUS DOES STUFF LIKE THAT"

Another straw man argument to pretend you were right about something. Get a hobby

I have several. And one is the same as yours.

If you'll revisit the whole Juliuys slapping the computer thread I said this stuff was commonplace and the pearl clutching was overwrought. There was plenty to be critical of without going to extremes.

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Nope.

That video with the coach is very concerning.

Players get into it with other players all the time. I’m more ok with that. But coaches, unless they’re disrespectful, should be listened to at this level.

That video with the coach is very concerning.

Players get into it with other players all the time. I’m more ok with that. But coaches, unless they’re disrespectful, should be listened to at this level.

Players argue with coaches at the pro level more because they make more money than the coaches.

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It’s very rare we see the type of interaction we saw with Randle. Last time I remember that on the Knicks was Zeke and one of our guys when he was coaching.

Here’s the thread with other responses.

Again, show me where I said ONLY JULIUS DOES STUFF LIKE THIS

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I said it was rare. You proceeded to show arguments from decades ago and proved you don’t know what rare means.

Straw man arguments are for the weak

[dakomish23]

Better they played Sims, who can actually set a correct screen.

Looks like he's always kind of slipped the screen to get a running headstart before the defense could react

Watch on YouTube

Kind of like Amare

Watch on YouTube

I forgot how stacked those PHX teams were. Shame they never won one

True.

He'd have probably had a good game.

Per my other post, Knicks need to make some decisions.

Easy ones include jettisoning Noel into the sun, trading Randle. At least for me. Or invert that.

Anyway, Let Mitch go if they insist on keeping Randle and Obi. Either one needs time at the 5. RJ and Cam could use time at the 4.
This probably doesn't work if Thibs is the coach.

Move Randle for Zion. Try to keep Obi. It's unlikely to be the case, but even in this scenario, Noel needs to go. Or Mitch. My preference is Mitch stays, but again, I'd like to see the Knicks make decisions that make some sort of sense.

Once the Knicks resigned Randle, with RJ's extension surely on their mind, the Knicks decided to operate over the cap. We've covered this and Cohen from Macri's thing goes over it well. There are MLE benefits to doing it, at least for a few years. Knicks will have the larger MLE this offseason - the one that alternates.

Just resign Mitch, if he's willing. He might chase the extra 3 million per a team can offer, since the Knicks kind of overpaid him for a few years. But I'd give him the max the Knicks can offer. He'd still be moveable in a future trade, and Knicks kind of committed to operating with trades for the next 4 years anyway.

Richardmany4's or BXetcetc may have different points to make.

What’s your opinion on a Mitch for Ayton swap if PHX doesn’t want to pay him

[dakomish23]

Team played with a lot of joy last night, like a burden had been lifted (Randle) and it was a pleasure to watch. Of course it just makes you wonder what kind of #’s Obi would be putting up if he not only got Randle’s minutes, but also didn’t have to play knowing every mistake he makes is getting him pulled

The second part of the last sentence has been citied by others and I agree it can’t be ignored.

[Nazrmohamed]

Obi has really good instincts on offense. Makes the right passes, knows when to cut, leak out, spot up, and was real good today at attacking. Happy I got to see a nice solid glimpse of what Obi can be. Probably won’t happen here because of king Dubious Handles tho.

I'd still like to point out how Obi is at least a triple fail by the FO and how that bodes really poorly for the future, minus some kind of very large off season shakeup.

Fail #1: Knicks desperately need a PG. A PG who could play off the ball would be particularly nice, since that's good for RJ's development. A tall PG would be really nice for the switching on defense. Knicks pass on Haliburton for Obi.

Fail #2: Knicks know they have a coach who will ride vets. Knicks have just hired Thibs as coach and have Julius on the roster. A problem waiting to happen.

Fail #3: IF the Knicks know, or have a strong feeling that Randle is part of their future core, why draft Obi at 8, when surely there are backup PF's at some point available later in a draft or with the MLE.

Fail #4: The Knicks have hired Thibs as their coach. They have Mitchell Robinson on the roster. They make a point of signing, and then resigning Noel. They also sign Taj, probably at Thib's request. Thibs hates small ball lineups. Even though it would probably be a good idea to give Randle or Obi both some time at the 5, or at least play them together, the Knicks FO stuffs the roster with offensively limited C's, who you'd think they'd know wants to feature defensive bigs, thereby blocking any small chance Randle and Obi might play together. Also, If Thibs likes his big defensive C, and a team is going to resign or feature Randle, what is the point of Obi - at least at draft time.

I'm willing to let the FO off the hook on the Obi pick IF they move Randle, but they didn't move Randle or let his contract expire, they signed him to 4 years at 30 million per, which is going to be hard to move.

These are just the fails around drafting Obi with Thibs as coach and Randle on the roster.

Also, your post is good, I just used this as an opportunity for a vent I've been storing about the FO's lack of BBall IQ/Roster building and vision. F*ckning clown car, it is.

Yes, hiring Thibs and drafting Obi at the same time was a fail, but just fellate Obi and get it over with

The only thing I'd say in defense of drafting Obi vs Julius and I'm not gonna give FO too much credit is remember. The yr they drafted Obi Randle had underperformed. Remember we sortve felt about Randle that yr as we do this yr and I think going into that yr it was the last yr of his contract if we didn't extend him. Also take into account Obi was like 22 at the time and just won CPOTY. Still though, no matter what age you're drafted there's a learning process as a Rookie.

In other words I'm sure the Knicks felt we'd draft Obi and then by his second yr he'd be ramped up and ready to start, at which point we simply wouldn't resign Randle. Then Randle had his MIP season and Thibs got the roster to overachieve.


So from that POV it isn't crazy. I just think it's crazy within the context of us desperately needing a PG and that player being right there for the taking and we passed on them. And technically 2 when you consider Cole Anthony buy I wasn't enamored by Cole like I was about Haliburton.

[Clyde_Style]

I'd still like to point out how Obi is at least a triple fail by the FO and how that bodes really poorly for the future, minus some kind of very large off season shakeup.

Fail #1: Knicks desperately need a PG. A PG who could play off the ball would be particularly nice, since that's good for RJ's development. A tall PG would be really nice for the switching on defense. Knicks pass on Haliburton for Obi.

Fail #2: Knicks know they have a coach who will ride vets. Knicks have just hired Thibs as coach and have Julius on the roster. A problem waiting to happen.

Fail #3: IF the Knicks know, or have a strong feeling that Randle is part of their future core, why draft Obi at 8, when surely there are backup PF's at some point available later in a draft or with the MLE.

Fail #4: The Knicks have hired Thibs as their coach. They have Mitchell Robinson on the roster. They make a point of signing, and then resigning Noel. They also sign Taj, probably at Thib's request. Thibs hates small ball lineups. Even though it would probably be a good idea to give Randle or Obi both some time at the 5, or at least play them together, the Knicks FO stuffs the roster with offensively limited C's, who you'd think they'd know wants to feature defensive bigs, thereby blocking any small chance Randle and Obi might play together. Also, If Thibs likes his big defensive C, and a team is going to resign or feature Randle, what is the point of Obi - at least at draft time.

I'm willing to let the FO off the hook on the Obi pick IF they move Randle, but they didn't move Randle or let his contract expire, they signed him to 4 years at 30 million per, which is going to be hard to move.

These are just the fails around drafting Obi with Thibs as coach and Randle on the roster.

Also, your post is good, I just used this as an opportunity for a vent I've been storing about the FO's lack of BBall IQ/Roster building and vision. F*ckning clown car, it is.

Yes, hiring Thibs and drafting Obi at the same time was a fail, but just fellate Obi and get it over with

The only thing I'd say in defense of drafting Obi vs Julius and I'm not gonna give FO too much credit is remember. The yr they drafted Obi Randle had underperformed. Remember we sortve felt about Randle that yr as we do this yr and I think going into that yr it was the last yr of his contract if we didn't extend him. Also take into account Obi was like 22 at the time and just won CPOTY. Still though, no matter what age you're drafted there's a learning process as a Rookie.

In other words I'm sure the Knicks felt we'd draft Obi and then by his second yr he'd be ramped up and ready to start, at which point we simply wouldn't resign Randle. Then Randle had his MIP season and Thibs got the roster to overachieve.


So from that POV it isn't crazy. I just think it's crazy within the context of us desperately needing a PG and that player being right there for the taking and we passed on them. And technically 2 when you consider Cole Anthony buy I wasn't enamored by Cole like I was about Haliburton.

Correct, Randle was probably viewed as a disappointment with only one guaranteed year left on his contract so they drafted Obi to replace him. Then Randle blew up for one season.

Still, drafting a player whose playing style does not match Thibs coaching style in any way was still a fail.

I think Obi can be a really good ancillary player that averages 15 PPG getting easy buckets in an uptempo offense that moves the ball like we just saw with Randle on the bench.

The young guys like playing with Obi. They don't like playing with Randle. That doesn't make Obi a stud, but it does mean he's a better fit. Randle is a monkey wrench to a well-run offense and he does jack on defense now. Obi tries to play defense even if he's up and down there.

They should have drafted a PG. I always feel that way. No knock on Obi, but roster building is about fit and needs, something this franchise fails at with regularity.

[evevale]

Randle's face needs to be on Eyore, stat!

i hope this lives up to your expectations ...

Spoiler:

[dakomish23]

Stats without context

R. Barrett, O. Toppin, .I. Quickley, .M. McBride, .J. Sims

15 mins
131.0 ORTG
106.7 DRTG
24.4 NRTG

R. Barrett, .Q. Grimes, .O. Toppin, .I. Quickley, .J. Sims

12 mins
92.0 ORTG
88.5 DRTG
3.5 NRTG

[Clyde_Style]

Damn I didn’t even watch or feel the need to come on here and read the board to find out how it went… my interest levels are pretty much all but shot

Watch the recap. Probably one of the more entertaining games of the season

YOUTH UNCHAINED, Not Starring Julius Randle

[Reign23]

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I absolutely freaking love this dude. he is the anti-randle.

[Jalen Bluntson]

Randle is a 5. He should be playing there to provide some spacing...for himself as well as others. Probably a better defender at the 5 as well. His passing would even be better for the team at the 5. It would make a lot of things better for the entire team. Thibs is a moron. The FO is pretty bad at team fit as well. I have been saying Randle should be playing the 5 and his actual best role on any team is a bench big. The FO decided to pay him and the HC decided to play him as a #1 option point forward. Ridiculous. Hopefully he can be traded along with Burks and Noel this summer. Get a real PG and we have a shot at looking like an actual team next year. Build from there. Enough with washed vets playing out of position and having no accountability.