Suns Just Another Team

[Jaqua92]

13-14 Spurs...lot of top 10 players on that team eh? Just because the Suns are not built like typical contenders does not mean they're not one.

Lmao please stop. Don’t compare them to the Spurs

plenty of people have already; do you have a real point? we have the aging hall of famer leading the way, top 5 offense and defense, league-leading depth, even an elite perimeter defender. oh, don't forget, losing in the finals the previous year.

Duncan was also a 2x MVP, a bonafied champion and a flat out better player.



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[spanishninja]

Lmao please stop. Don’t compare them to the Spurs

plenty of people have already; do you have a real point? we have the aging hall of famer leading the way, top 5 offense and defense, league-leading depth, even an elite perimeter defender. oh, don't forget, losing in the finals the previous year.

Duncan was also a 2x MVP, a bonafied champion and a flat out better player.



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and this Suns team is deeper and younger than the Spurs. just because i am comparing the two teams doesnt mean they are the same in every way.

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[OmniStrife]

I find the Celtics > Suns takes in this thread especially hilarious.

[spanishninja]

I find the Celtics > Suns takes in this thread especially hilarious.

I think the Suns defense has kind of slacked towards the end of the season. they need to ramp it up again for the playoffs. won't be able to have 140-130 games in the postseason.

[Warriorfan]

Suns are a really good team with great depth and one definite another maybe HOF player

They could lose in the first round to a Lebron AD past their prime cast IMO as well.

[brutalitops]

OP watching the 2017 suns or something?

[handsome salary]

Congrats Suns to taking the top spot. Had to do it by winning a B2B on the road against playoff teams and that's what they did. Took it.

Relax for a few while the others below you scramble for their spots. Since it's been wrapped up so early the shouting heads can now focus on even more so "Will Lebron/Lakers, KD/Nets even make the play in/playoffs".

[BlzMwt]

Lmao please stop. Don’t compare them to the Spurs

plenty of people have already; do you have a real point? we have the aging hall of famer leading the way, top 5 offense and defense, league-leading depth, even an elite perimeter defender. oh, don't forget, losing in the finals the previous year.

Duncan was also a 2x MVP, a bonafied champion and a flat out better player.



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I would argue that current Paul is more impactful than 2014 Duncan. And I think Duncan's defense was tremendous. Paul still plays good defense and controls the entire offense when needed - clutch time or not - not turning the ball over, high shooting percentages.

Duncan was also ten years removed from being an MVP lol

[BlzMwt]

The Phoenix Suns have a 120 ORTG since CP3 last played a game for them. This is higher than the ORTG they had with CP3 ON the floor since the start of the season.

The average DRTG they faced in this span was 112.2, which would rank slightly below average in the league. However
a +7.8 ORTG is historical pretty much anyway you slice it.

They also were a +11 offense against the two top 10 defenses they did face (Miami and Utah), so it's not like they solely beat up on Houston and collapsed against higher level competition.

Are we witnessing one of the GOAT coaching peaks in Monty Williams?

Yeah, I also really think guys like Bridges and Ayton are often underutilized when Paul is there because they have a bunch of guys who could be a second option. Cam Johnson is close too.

Bridges and Ayton have always been really efficient.

I think Ayton has the 2nd best FG% in history in a season for players who shot 11+ shots per game. What's crazy is that he is shooting a ton of midrange shots, but his efficiency in the mid range is elite... 63% 3-10 ft, 52.5% 10-16 ft, and 47% from 16 ft-3pt range.

Ayton is crushing everyone this year who shoots 10+ shots in FG% https://www.nba.com/stats/players/traditional/?sort=FG_PCT&dir=-1&CF=FGA*G*10&Season=2021-22&SeasonType=Regular%20Season

You'd think that the best FG% would be someone who almost exclusively dunked like Shaq. Someone like Gobert is higher because he pretty much just dunks but shoots under 8 shots a game.

Then Bridges is an elite finisher at the rim and a solid 3 pt shooter (better last year though), but this year has added a great midrange game as well.

I agree with all this. Yet most people say CP3 is the one that elevates all their players, ignoring the rise they were on before he arrived and the addition of Jae Crowder. Cam payne is also still replicating Cp3s numbers in his place, as the sample grows and the wins keep comimg. Yet we get a bunch of threads about Ja morant because the grizz just won two more games without him, with tyus jones not putting up 26/6/6 in his place (their winning isnt sustainable without Ja....phoenix's is, their backup pg puts up the same numbers as Cp3). Smh

I think it's a problem if you think the Suns are the same team with Payne starting as Paul starting because they put up similar numbers over a 15 game stretch.

[pj0tr]

Suns are a really good team with great depth and one definite another maybe HOF player

They could lose in the first round to a Lebron AD oast their prime cast IMO as well.

The fact that we're actively talking about an 8 seed having the 2 best players in the series over a #1 seed is really why the Suns will be "just another team" until they prove it.

They need to prove they are absolutely better than the Lakers by beating them in a series when the Lakers are healthy.

Until they do, they will always be doubted.

[Johnny Firpo]

I personally view them as the clear favorite, and has been for a while now. Their only weaknesses (free throw drawing and finishing at the rim) are the result of their chosen - and flawlessly working - playing style. When it's a game 6 of a conference final or final, they will get to the line. When it matters. And everything else they are elite at, basically.

[SkyBill40]

Suns are a really good team with great depth and one definite another maybe HOF player

They could lose in the first round to a Lebron AD oast their prime cast IMO as well.

The fact that we're actively talking about an 8 seed having the 2 best players in the series over a #1 seed is really why the Suns will be "just another team" until they prove it.

They need to prove they are absolutely better than the Lakers by beating them in a series when the Lakers are healthy.

Until they do, they will always be doubted.

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[Madhouse]

Suns are the best team in the NBA followed by Celtics right now.

Nets are the darkhorse.

[pj0tr]

Suns are a really good team with great depth and one definite another maybe HOF player

They could lose in the first round to a Lebron AD oast their prime cast IMO as well.

The fact that we're actively talking about an 8 seed having the 2 best players in the series over a #1 seed is really why the Suns will be "just another team" until they prove it.

They need to prove they are absolutely better than the Lakers by beating them in a series when the Lakers are healthy.

Until they do, they will always be doubted.

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The truth hurts, but deep-down, thats what the NBA media will tell you, and the Suns do not have respect until they do that.

[JujitsuFlip]

Wasn't sure where to put it but found it interesting.

[spanishninja]

Wasn't sure where to put it but found it interesting.

it's interesting but the Suns are unique from that group in that they actually went to the finals the year prior, and are likely way more motivated than any of those other teams.

[Shock Defeat]

Suns are great but they have one fatal flaw, lack of elite players. Paul is great, but he is older and is a huge injury risk. He gets hurt every postseason. Him actually getting hurt this year was a blessing in disguise so he can be fresher for the postseason.

Booker is also a good all star caliber player, but he's not top 10. Every title winner has had top 10 players. The Suns do not. This works great in the regular season but in the postseason those stars shine. The Suns will be relying on old cp3 to make huge plays consistently. Last year Giannis was by far the best player and that's why the Bucks won.

[YourCellarDoor]

Suns are a really good team with great depth and one definite another maybe HOF player

They could lose in the first round to a Lebron AD oast their prime cast IMO as well.

no chance. grizzlies and warriors could beat us to take the west for sure, lakers are not a threat.

[sunsbg]

Suns are great but they have one fatal flaw, lack of elite players. Paul is great, but he is older and is a huge injury risk. He gets hurt every postseason. Him actually getting hurt this year was a blessing in disguise so he can be fresher for the postseason.

Booker is also a good all star caliber player, but he's not top 10. Every title winner has had top 10 players. The Suns do not. This works great in the regular season but in the postseason those stars shine. The Suns will be relying on old cp3 to make huge plays consistently. Last year Giannis was by far the best player and that's why the Bucks won.

Except last year Suns beat quite easily the team featuring the MVP.

[sp6r=underrated]

Suns are great but they have one fatal flaw, lack of elite players. Paul is great, but he is older and is a huge injury risk. He gets hurt every postseason. Him actually getting hurt this year was a blessing in disguise so he can be fresher for the postseason.

Booker is also a good all star caliber player, but he's not top 10. Every title winner has had top 10 players. The Suns do not. This works great in the regular season but in the postseason those stars shine. The Suns will be relying on old cp3 to make huge plays consistently. Last year Giannis was by far the best player and that's why the Bucks won.

Every ten years or so a team without a top 5 player wins one. The last one was the 2014 Spurs. Before that 04 Pistons and then the Bad Boys. It isn't easy but it isn't impossible.