NYC Mandate: Kyrie Irving Eligibility Discussion

[3pt_chucker]

Yep. The Nets and Papa Joe tried to play it nice with Adams. Which I get. But pigs like Adams don't respect nice. They respect power.

Once Adams' foolishness hit the door step of the Steinbrenners and Steve Cohen, who already paid Adams off 9 months ago, I bet those conversations with the reps of the Yankees, Mets, and MLB were on a whole other level.

They didn't ask him to end the player mandate. They told him to.

This may have something to do with Tsai's lack of influence. Note: Cohen donated $1.5mil to the Adams campaign.

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again, thats a limp d*ck move.

bro you are a billionaire. I KNOW you understand how to funnel money around the system.

Tsai actually paid money to lobby for the exemption. How you can still be doubting Tsai and spending money is beyond me.

[3pt_chucker]

This may have something to do with Tsai's lack of influence. Note: Cohen donated $1.5mil to the Adams campaign.

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again, thats a limp d*ck move.

bro you are a billionaire. I KNOW you understand how to funnel money around the system.

It says a lot about Adams that basically bribery is what gets him to make a common sense move.

Welcome to politics in 2022. It's all disgusting once you start digging past the facade/public posturing.

[Evalar]

Off the subject of Kyrie for a minute I can't believe how inept the Mayor is I have been following his Twitter timeline because of the Kyrie situation and am shocked at how tone deaf he is. People are posting about serious issues they are dealing with being afraid to use the subways, crime etc and two hours later he is posting pics of himself dressed up at the museum of modern art saying "Strike a pose"!! As someone posted on his timeline KD was right about attention seeking and that he's like a teenage girl with instagram. The man really has no shame.

[Paradise]

Off the subject of Kyrie for a minute I can't believe how inept the Mayor is I have been following his Twitter timeline because of the Kyrie situation and am shocked at how tone deaf he is. People are posting about serious issues they are dealing with being afraid to use the subways, crime etc and two hours later he is posting pics of himself dressed up at the museum of modern art saying "Strike a pose"!! As someone posted on his timeline KD was right about attention seeking and that he's like a teenage girl with instagram. The man really has no shame.

Yeah, I’ll be moving out of the city in another 9 months. I can’t raise a child in this city whatsoever with this kind of crime and I was already robbed, stabbed, beaten and assaulted this past summer.

I can’t stand to see this place I’ve been born and raised turn into The Batman movie. Adams is a clown. KD wasn’t wrong which is why ESPN/Disney media talking heads like Screamin’ A and clown ass Wilbon attacked him. How dare he challenge a bribing liberal mayor who has proven to be contradicting himself.

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[gigantes]

That's why he's putting the same police unit who choked a man to death over selling loose cigarettes back on the street I guess.

Adams gives me Giuliani vibes. It won't shock me if he's embroiled in some corruption scandal during the course of his term and police violence complaints skyrocket under his watch.

Earlier in the election process I remember some long-time NYC & political wonks discussing exactly how corrupt Adams was. IIRC there was a pretty big scandal relating to his brother, I think?

In any case, the Giuliani comparison kinda chills me, even if he does or doesn't currently cavort himself like a insane, evil clown the way Rudy does.


Getting back to Kyrie-- at the end of the day, this is a guy who averages 32 games a season for the Nets, all the while taking up a load of our cap.

Yes, I think it makes sense to extend him under the right circumstances, but also to potentially trade his narcissistic arse for any combo of assets that actually helps the team's bottom line of winning games and going deep in to the playoffs.

This summer will be the single best opportunity Marks has during the KD years to deal with Kyrie appropriately. I hope he doesn't blow it, because I suspect it's probably going to define this era.

Kyrie doesnt effect or take up cap. he only effects the tax. The Nets are over the cap with or without Kyrie's money. KD/Simmons/Harris alone put us right near the cap by themselves. Kyrie being off the books doesnt give us like an extra 4 million towards the MLE if get under the tax. thats it.

Moving Kyrie for anything makes the team worse. you remove a guy the team loves, you remove a guy KD wants here and your remove a guy that helps make us a contender. no player/package of player comes close to giving us that ceiling

Yeah, I don't give much of a *fluff* how much a team loves any one teammate when they cost a King's ransom and wind up playing a third of the games every season. Dude, the team also liked DeJordan, and he was a $10m useless albatross that we've gratefully upgraded to Drummond for the time being.

Also, just assuming a team 'needs' any one player has long been fool's gold in both the NBA and across sports in general. Great teams just aren't built like that, Proky.

Yes, Kevin Durant agreed to play for us, which is why we're paying him a fortune for his services, and indeed, his particular injury recovery is almost a miracle, and total godsend for us.

But even KD, as godly as he is, just like LeBron James, should never take over the GM's job. We've learned lesson-after-lesson upon this stuff over the years, and yet you're saying... what, exactly?

In any case, Kyrie's salary turns in to any number or combination of useful assets that helps the team win way more than he does.

Granted, they may not be anywhere near smooth handlers and lights-out shooters as Kyrie, but that's like confusing narcissism with results.

[Prokorov]

Earlier in the election process I remember some long-time NYC & political wonks discussing exactly how corrupt Adams was. IIRC there was a pretty big scandal relating to his brother, I think?

In any case, the Giuliani comparison kinda chills me, even if he does or doesn't currently cavort himself like a insane, evil clown the way Rudy does.


Getting back to Kyrie-- at the end of the day, this is a guy who averages 32 games a season for the Nets, all the while taking up a load of our cap.

Yes, I think it makes sense to extend him under the right circumstances, but also to potentially trade his narcissistic arse for any combo of assets that actually helps the team's bottom line of winning games and going deep in to the playoffs.

This summer will be the single best opportunity Marks has during the KD years to deal with Kyrie appropriately. I hope he doesn't blow it, because I suspect it's probably going to define this era.

Kyrie doesnt effect or take up cap. he only effects the tax. The Nets are over the cap with or without Kyrie's money. KD/Simmons/Harris alone put us right near the cap by themselves. Kyrie being off the books doesnt give us like an extra 4 million towards the MLE if get under the tax. thats it.

Moving Kyrie for anything makes the team worse. you remove a guy the team loves, you remove a guy KD wants here and your remove a guy that helps make us a contender. no player/package of player comes close to giving us that ceiling

Yeah, I don't give much of a *fluff* how much a team loves any one teammate when they cost a King's ransom and wind up playing a third of the games every season. Dude, the team also liked DeJordan, and he was a $10m useless albatross that we've gratefully upgraded to Drummond for the time being.

Also, just assuming a team 'needs' any one player has long been fool's gold in both the NBA and across sports in general. Great teams just aren't built like that, Proky.

Yes, Kevin Durant agreed to play for us, which is why we're paying him a fortune for his services, and indeed, his particular injury recovery is almost a miracle, and total godsend for us.

But even KD, as godly as he is, just like LeBron James, should never take over the GM's job. We've learned lesson-after-lesson upon this stuff over the years, and yet you're saying... what, exactly?

In any case, Kyrie's salary turns in to any number or combination of useful assets that helps the team win way more than he does.

Granted, they may not be anywhere near smooth handlers and lights-out shooters as Kyrie, but that's like confusing narcissism with results.

there were plenty who didnt like DJ. part of why he is gone. DJ also isnt close the ceiling raiser like kyrie, who makes us a title favorite with KD every year.

30 games + playoffs of kyrie is more valuable then 95% of the league. which is why we maxed him no questions asked despite coming in with availability concerns.

you also cant turn kyrie into multiple pieces, if he opts out and leaves we gain 0 cap to spend on other lesser players

KD would demand a trade the second kyrie is gone. kyrie is durants best friend and best chance at more rings.

you can go back to the levert days if you want. im good with KD/Kyrie

[gigantes]

Kyrie doesnt effect or take up cap. he only effects the tax. The Nets are over the cap with or without Kyrie's money. KD/Simmons/Harris alone put us right near the cap by themselves. Kyrie being off the books doesnt give us like an extra 4 million towards the MLE if get under the tax. thats it.

Moving Kyrie for anything makes the team worse. you remove a guy the team loves, you remove a guy KD wants here and your remove a guy that helps make us a contender. no player/package of player comes close to giving us that ceiling

Yeah, I don't give much of a *fluff* how much a team loves any one teammate when they cost a King's ransom and wind up playing a third of the games every season. Dude, the team also liked DeJordan, and he was a $10m useless albatross that we've gratefully upgraded to Drummond for the time being.

Also, just assuming a team 'needs' any one player has long been fool's gold in both the NBA and across sports in general. Great teams just aren't built like that, Proky.

Yes, Kevin Durant agreed to play for us, which is why we're paying him a fortune for his services, and indeed, his particular injury recovery is almost a miracle, and total godsend for us.

But even KD, as godly as he is, just like LeBron James, should never take over the GM's job. We've learned lesson-after-lesson upon this stuff over the years, and yet you're saying... what, exactly?

In any case, Kyrie's salary turns in to any number or combination of useful assets that helps the team win way more than he does.

Granted, they may not be anywhere near smooth handlers and lights-out shooters as Kyrie, but that's like confusing narcissism with results.

there were plenty who didnt like DJ. part of why he is gone. DJ also isnt close the ceiling raiser like kyrie, who makes us a title favorite with KD every year.

30 games + playoffs of kyrie is more valuable then 95% of the league. which is why we maxed him no questions asked despite coming in with availability concerns.

you also cant turn kyrie into multiple pieces, if he opts out and leaves we gain 0 cap to spend on other lesser players

KD would demand a trade the second kyrie is gone. kyrie is durants best friend and best chance at more rings.

you can go back to the levert days if you want. im good with KD/Kyrie

Okay, you can believe all the batsh-t crazy stuff you want.

It's not my personal job to regulate nonsense, nor should it be.

Any questions?

[Prokorov]

Yeah, I don't give much of a *fluff* how much a team loves any one teammate when they cost a King's ransom and wind up playing a third of the games every season. Dude, the team also liked DeJordan, and he was a $10m useless albatross that we've gratefully upgraded to Drummond for the time being.

Also, just assuming a team 'needs' any one player has long been fool's gold in both the NBA and across sports in general. Great teams just aren't built like that, Proky.

Yes, Kevin Durant agreed to play for us, which is why we're paying him a fortune for his services, and indeed, his particular injury recovery is almost a miracle, and total godsend for us.

But even KD, as godly as he is, just like LeBron James, should never take over the GM's job. We've learned lesson-after-lesson upon this stuff over the years, and yet you're saying... what, exactly?

In any case, Kyrie's salary turns in to any number or combination of useful assets that helps the team win way more than he does.

Granted, they may not be anywhere near smooth handlers and lights-out shooters as Kyrie, but that's like confusing narcissism with results.

there were plenty who didnt like DJ. part of why he is gone. DJ also isnt close the ceiling raiser like kyrie, who makes us a title favorite with KD every year.

30 games + playoffs of kyrie is more valuable then 95% of the league. which is why we maxed him no questions asked despite coming in with availability concerns.

you also cant turn kyrie into multiple pieces, if he opts out and leaves we gain 0 cap to spend on other lesser players

KD would demand a trade the second kyrie is gone. kyrie is durants best friend and best chance at more rings.

you can go back to the levert days if you want. im good with KD/Kyrie

Any questions?

yeah, who hurt you?

The nets love kyrie
kd loves kyrie
kyries teammates love kyrie
kyrie loves the nets and wants to be here
we are much better with kyrie and he is by far the biggest ceiling raise compared to whatever replaced him
he is playing at jordan/kobe levels of scoring right now with plus defense

if you dont like him fine... you dont throw away a popular guy in the locker room and title chances because of that though

[gigantes]

yeah, who hurt you?

LOL...

Eh, I'm sorry!
Did I say something *wrong* about Kyrie Iriving?

In any case, that's all you got, I guess?
Not an actual discussion about Kyrie, just a 'how dare you?' kinda thing?

Well, I guess... *rock on* if that's all you got, no...?

[Prokorov]

yeah, who hurt you?

LOL...

Eh, I'm sorry!
Did I say something *wrong* about Kyrie Iriving?

In any case, that's all you got, I guess?
Not an actual discussion about Kyrie, just a 'how dare you?' kinda thing?

Well, I guess... *rock on* if that's all you got, no...?

wait you said this below, but im the one who doesnt want to have an actual discussion???

Okay, you can believe all the batsh-t crazy stuff you want.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie will be resigned, there's no need for the hostility.

He can play full time now, and his teammates really do like him despite the drama, so it's water under the bridge.

[sashaturiaf]

No one is bigger than the team. Marks would be doing the team a disservice if he didn't at least explore Kyries value across the league and whether it can help us upgrade as a team.

For now it's in our interests to keep and pay Kyrie, we need the 7/11 firepower especially given we will be starting Simmons for years to come.

I just think the main upgrade we need is at coach rather than roster wise(we are completely stacked tbh). We need a stronger motivator than Nash desperately. 7/11 for all their talent is pretty laissez-faire when it comes to winning, their actions this season has told me all it needs to say about their approach to winning. It's definitely not win at all costs for KD and Kyrie, we can't change a players personality so to me upgrading on Nash will be essential especially once you add Ben and klutch to the mix. We need a guy who can at least hold the team accountable. Nash is a cool guy but he's not gonna get in anyone's face whether they need it or not.

[MrDollarBills]

No one is bigger than the team. Marks would be doing the team a disservice if he didn't at least explore Kyries value across the league and whether it can help us upgrade as a team.

For now it's in our interests to keep and pay Kyrie, we need the 7/11 firepower especially given we will be starting Simmons for years to come.

I just think the main upgrade we need is at coach rather than roster wise(we are completely stacked tbh). We need a stronger motivator than Nash desperately. 7/11 for all their talent is pretty laissez-faire when it comes to winning, their actions this season has told me all it needs to say about their approach to winning. It's definitely not win at all costs for KD and Kyrie, we can't change a players personality so to me upgrading on Nash will be essential especially once you add Ben and klutch to the mix. We need a guy who can at least hold the team accountable. Nash is a cool guy but he's not gonna get in anyone's face whether they need it or not.

I would advocate for firing Nash before entertaining the idea of trading Kyrie. If we have a full healthy team there's zero reason for me to think we can't win with KD/Kyrie/Ben as our core

[MrDollarBills]

I'm happy that Kyrie can now play at home

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But it's still F*ck Eric Adams all day every day.

[gigantes]

Kyrie will be resigned, there's no need for the hostility.

He can play full time now, and his teammates really do like him despite the drama, so it's water under the bridge.

Pardon me laddies, while I turn and vomit to the side.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie will be resigned, there's no need for the hostility.

He can play full time now, and his teammates really do like him despite the drama, so it's water under the bridge.

Pardon me laddies, while I turn and vomit to the side.

I mean be realistic here. He's not going anywhere.

[gigantes]

Kyrie will be resigned, there's no need for the hostility. He can play full time now, and his teammates really do like him despite the drama, so it's water under the bridge.

Pardon me laddies, while I turn and vomit to the side.

I mean be realistic here. He's not going anywhere.

Right, I don't mean to harp on this, Bill. And yet...

The guy averages 33+ games a season while taking up a MAJOR chunk of the cap. That's the real bottom line to me, whether injuries (and he gets injured a LOT, partly for reasons I've pointed out before, such as trying to operate as a 'small-rebounding big' down low, as an undersized SG), social timeouts (while I agree to the max that BLM), his daughter's bday, and worst of all, his perfectly LOONY-TUNE stance about the Sun orbiting the Earth. Ah, no wait... it was actually "vaccines are bad?" No, wait... it was actually 'health MANDATES are bad, mkay?'

Idiot. Idiot, idiot, idiot.

Point is-- with Kyrie, you just never the f*ck know WHEN and WHERE the madness begins and ends.


Bah. Moving on-- to me there are loads of positives and loads of negatives to Kyrie Irving being on your team, yet the dude's willfully done very little to disprove any of that. Is it that a problem, or isn't it?

Also-- and this is maybe most damning of all? Kyrie's advanced stats and 'per 100' numbers are pretty mediocre or downright wretched from what I've seen. You know... like Fool's Gold?

https://www.google.com/search?q=fool%27s+gold&tbm=isch

Kyrie Irving to me is an enormous bball talent, and a laudable person who believes in social justice, and IMO he's likable and relatable. His teammates esteem him (as you say), and that means a lot, end of the day.

Thing is-- the problem with Kryie isn't his STRENGTHS. It's moreso that he's an awful defender who makes the other team better, plays by his own rulebook, always and forever, takes money & time away from other players & talents, and can NEVER really be relied upon when it comes down to the wire.

NOTE: None of that observation / opinion was based on what Celts & Cavs fans said. I assumed 99% of all them saying that was sour grapes when Kyrie signed.

And... I was wrong.

[Prokorov]

Pardon me laddies, while I turn and vomit to the side.

I mean be realistic here. He's not going anywhere.

Right, I don't mean to harp on this, Bill. And yet...

The guy averages 33+ games a season while taking up a MAJOR chunk of the cap. That's the real bottom line to me, whether injuries (and he gets injured a LOT, partly for reasons I've pointed out before, such as trying to operate as a 'small-rebounding big' down low, as an undersized SG), social timeouts (while I agree to the max that BLM), his daughter's bday, and worst of all, his perfectly LOONY-TUNE stance about the Sun orbiting the Earth. Ah, no wait... it was actually "vaccines are bad?" No, wait... it was actually 'health MANDATES are bad, mkay?'

Idiot. Idiot, idiot, idiot.

Point is-- with Kyrie, you just never the f*ck know WHEN and WHERE the madness begins and ends.


Bah. Moving on-- to me there are loads of positives and loads of negatives to Kyrie Irving being on your team, yet the dude's willfully done very little to disprove any of that. Is it that a problem, or isn't it?

Also-- and this is maybe most damning of all? Kyrie's advanced stats and 'per 100' numbers are pretty mediocre or downright wretched from what I've seen. You know... like Fool's Gold?

https://www.google.com/search?q=fool%27s+gold&tbm=isch

Kyrie Irving to me is an enormous bball talent, and a laudable person who believes in social justice, and IMO he's likable and relatable. His teammates esteem him (as you say), and that means a lot, end of the day.

Thing is-- the problem with Kryie isn't his STRENGTHS. It's moreso that he's an awful defender who makes the other team better, plays by his own rulebook, always and forever, takes money & time away from other players & talents, and can NEVER really be relied upon when it comes down to the wire.

NOTE: None of that observation / opinion was based on what Celts & Cavs fans said. I assumed 99% of all them saying that was sour grapes when Kyrie signed.

And... I was wrong.

Kyrie is not a bad defender or even close to that.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie caused a ton of problems this season. As did Harden.

But not resigning him would be idiotic. Hes still relatively young and an all star level player.

If we didn't have the worst coach in the NBA we stay afloat without KD and are not in this mess.

All problems go back to Nash.

[MrDollarBills]

Kyrie caused a ton of problems this season. As did Harden.

But not resigning him would be idiotic. Hes still relatively young and an all star level player.

If we didn't have the worst coach in the NBA we stay afloat without KD and are not in this mess.

All problems go back to Nash.

Yep we need an actual system and structure in place.

Resigning Kyrie is pretty much a foregone conclusion.