James Wiseman 2021/2022

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I remember just me and 1 other dude who were saying we should draft LaMelo at #2 and everyone hated on it

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azwfan and and1GS are big backers of the Wiseman train til the end. He's a good piece to build the future around, but not to be placed with a ballclub looking to reload with seasoned veterans and role players, and young, special, nba-ready players who area ready to contribute right away.

[SpreeS]

One good thing, Kerr will have less opportunities to f… up.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

We need another big. We don't have enough size to make a serious playoff run.

It's still growing pains for this ballclub this season. I'd be fine with a 1st round exit, to be honest. Or, at least just have the young players (Poole, Wiggins, and Kuminga) get heavy minutes during the post-season run to get a taste of the real games. No need to drag 35+ mins for Curry, Thompson, and Green. We ain't getting far.

[Samurai]

We need another big. We don't have enough size to make a serious playoff run.

It's still growing pains for this ballclub this season. I'd be fine with a 1st round exit, to be honest. Or, at least just have the young players (Poole, Wiggins, and Kuminga) get heavy minutes during the post-season run to get a taste of the real games. No need to drag 35+ mins for Curry, Thompson, and Green. We ain't getting far.

It's one thing for us fans to sit back, watch the team, and conclude that they have too many weaknesses (lack of size being a fairly prominent one) to make a deep run. I'm not convinced that everyone in the front office believes that. Or even if everyone in the front office does believe that, I'm not sure how confident they are that Lacob also believes that. And even if Lacob believes that, he may very well not want anyone in the front office to publicly state or act as if they believe that. So while you may be fine with a 1st round exit, I don't think the front office will say or act in a manner that would indicate that they are satisfied that a team with three future hall of famers plus another all star sprinting out of the playoffs. And if I had as much money invested in this team as Lacob does, I'm not sure my expectations would be particularly realistic either.

[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

Why are people acting so surprised? The decision to draft Wiseman was based on a college career that lasted three games and a dinner with ownership. The pick was the blindest of shots in the dark...and, not surprisingly, missed the mark. Now, almost two years post draft, Wiseman has missed 176 out of a possible 218 college and NBA games over the last three years. If the best predictor of future success is past success, then it's reasonable to surmise that the team isn't likely to get much out of Wiseman before parting ways with him in the next year or two.

Essentially, if you only play 3 collegiate games, you're still basically a high schooler.. a Kwame Brown.

[HiRez]

Sure, try to win a championship, of course. But after that the priority needs to be getting the young guys some playoff minutes because we know that’s necessary for them to be competent later. Just really unfortunate Wiseman will miss out on that. But I’m going to be pissed if the Dubs duck out with Kuminga and Moody riding the bench the whole time (Poole, I assume, will play good minutes), or playing only garbage time minutes.

[and1GS]

I remember just me and 1 other dude who were saying we should draft LaMelo at #2 and everyone hated on it

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azwfan and and1GS are big backers of the Wiseman train til the end. He's a good piece to build the future around, but not to be placed with a ballclub looking to reload with seasoned veterans and role players, and young, special, nba-ready players who area ready to contribute right away.

I'm honored you take the time to really ponder my stance. But no, I had no preference in that draft. I preferred LaMelo as he seemed more of a home run swing, but I understood the Wiseman side.

James is our player today and I'm realistically reacting to the news as it comes out. I support him because he's our player. Same as I did for Diogu, Udoh and Chris Porter (still holding out hope for him and Jiri Welsch). I could freak out and say we should dump him for potato chips but I don't think that's helpful.

After the close to the season, I feel both him and Wiggins are far more expendable. I would love to bundle them and 1-2 picks for a difference maker. Or them and Poole for something even higher. Pascal has played out of his mind, but someone roughly around that level (with diminished value) would be ideal. It's hard to find what that deal is so have no specific ideas at this time. I actually think Utah would be willing to move on from Gobert, but I really think that might be an awful fit...not seeing a ton of options beyond that.

[HiRez]

So what's the treatment plan, another surgery?

For now, they're saying no surgery.

[bay2hk]

I remember calling lamelo the next splash son predraft and I was ostracized for it. I will admit I was wrong about ANT but that wiseman vs lamelo pick was clear as day.

Just imagine in an alternate universe where we drafted lamelo. We wouldn’t have traded for oubre and possibly making a deeper run in the playoffs last year. We probably wouldn’t have gotten kuminga and moody this year with how badly this wiseman pick is turning out. Only person to blame is lacob and his golden ego for thinking him and his sons are above everyone else

[marthafokker]

Kuminga has nothing related to Dubbs record. We get him regardless of Wiseman pick.

[Old_Blue]

I remember calling lamelo the next splash son predraft and I was ostracized for it. I will admit I was wrong about ANT but that wiseman vs lamelo pick was clear as day.

Just imagine in an alternate universe where we drafted lamelo. We wouldn’t have traded for oubre and possibly making a deeper run in the playoffs last year. We probably wouldn’t have gotten kuminga and moody this year with how badly this wiseman pick is turning out. Only person to blame is lacob and his golden ego for thinking him and his sons are above everyone else

What stood out most to me during the months leading up to that draft was the bizarro world level of self delusion that pervaded this board regarding Wiseman. I couldn't understand how a guy with 3 college games under his belt who'd quit on his college team following an NCAA suspension was so aggressively put forth as a sure thing. There was hardly any tape on the guy and what there was (i.e., a high school smack down at the hands of Evan Mobley) led to more questions than answers. At one point, someone mentioned the size of Wiseman's hands as reason to draft him #2 overall. The momentum was that of a impending train wreck. To be fair though, there were also legitimate concerns regarding LaMelo. While the passing skill was undeniably there, the shooting mechanics and the father's influence were causes for concern. Other than the random damn fool or two advocating the Dubs draft Deni Avdija, 90% of the discussion on the board came down to Wiseman vs. LaMelo. However, even at the time, I remember thinking that the most sensible suggestion - one that only a handful of people proposed - was to trade down and take Haliburton. Charlotte at #3, Chicago at #4, New York at #8 and Phoenix at #10 were all rumored to be interested in moving up in the draft. This is where the story of that 2020 NBA draft really becomes one of multiple missed opportunities to reshape the future of the organization.

[wco81]

I don’t think there were trade down opportunities.

There wasn’t much enthusiasm about the top 5.

[Bizzy_Bee]

Lot of victory laps being taken because a kid has dealt with injury issues early in his career. Pretty ugly response from a fan base.


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[marthafokker]

LeMelo was bad at shooting 3s and FT. And even worse as a defender in Minor league in Australia.

Anyone knew LeMelo would be this good (with his performance in Australia) was smoking something good.

I wanted that Chicago trade talk of Wendell Carter Jr + 4th. That could have fixed 2 problems. Get a quality/known center and a reach at a rookie point guard. If knowing what Wiseman would be now, Dubbs would have a deep center rotation and Halliburton with that Chicago trade. Some Dubbs fans said that was stupid.

[Old_Blue]

I wanted that Chicago trade talk of Wendell Carter Jr + 4th. That could have fixed 2 problems. Get a quality/known center and a reach at a rookie point guard. If knowing what Wiseman would be now, Dubbs would have a deep center rotation and Halliburton with that Chicago trade. Some Dubbs fans said that was stupid.

At the time, there was also talk of Charlotte offering Miles Bridges and the #3 to move up one spot to grab Wiseman. Under either scenario, the Dubs could still have pulled off a second trade down to nab Haliburton.

[clyde21]

don't really care, shouldn't have seen the court at all this season at this point.

but yea, what a **** L this has been. we could be donning Hali off the bench right now.

[SpreeChokeJob]

I wanted that Chicago trade talk of Wendell Carter Jr + 4th. That could have fixed 2 problems. Get a quality/known center and a reach at a rookie point guard. If knowing what Wiseman would be now, Dubbs would have a deep center rotation and Halliburton with that Chicago trade. Some Dubbs fans said that was stupid.

At the time, there was also talk of Charlotte offering Miles Bridges and the #3 to move up one spot to grab Wiseman. Under either scenario, the Dubs could still have pulled off a second trade down to nab Haliburton.

Wet dream scenario. After I reviewed Wiseman’s Oregon tape, it was a front office or ownership decision mistake. They have constantly misjudged bigs for the last few years. There’s positions sports never draft in the top spots unless certified blue chips: QB, offensive lineman, and basketball centers.

With Haliburton, Poole, Moody, Kuminga, and Carter. Just need one of them to turn unicorn and Lacob would be flexing more than Vince McMahon. Even then the group listed above would have been highly compatible.

[Upperclass]

Warriors making that pick and it not being a "reach" for Ball never made sense. I think the Klay injury had them shellshocked and adjusted whatever plans they had that night

[MastermindLV]

Wiseman was the right pick. Everyone looks at how Lamelo would fit on this team right now but realize the impact of having him on the roster. Who knows how well Jordan Poole develops given less shots, less chance to create, and less opportunity. Also I’d bet GP2 wouldn’t be on the team. GP2 made it on as our last roster spot, having one more guard on the roster probably means they don’t keep him

[Upperclass]

^ In that equation, you're essentially trading Poole and GPII for Ball which most would make easily. The bigger issue is that maybe Ball wouldn't have developed as quickly in Curry's shadow or taken to Draymond's hard coaching of his bad habits. He's also EXTREMELY Ball dominant, at which point.. you no longer have a role for Dray. You also couldnt play Curry, Ball and Klay together consistently as none are a 3.

Ball was 100% the right pick based on talent and fit with Curry, however, if you wanted to rebuild a championship team around your core group with championship experience, then you need to maximum assets.. picking Wiseman was not that.. picking Ball also locks you into competing beyond Curry/Klay/Dray, but not necessarily in the short term. Personality-wise, Ball also seems to be better off on his own team, with his own identity and building his own path to success..

You pick Ball, you have to be ready to move on from Klay and Dray pretty quickly. Same issue they're about to have with Poole..

Trading down for Haliburton+Sabonis or Turner on the other hand..