James Wiseman 2021/2022

[ILOVEIT]

RIP 2021/22 use of Wiseman

I hope he pans out next year. The lingering doubt for me is his hands. He just seems to slap at the ball with his hands. Good hands tend to snatch the ball out of a crowd of others...deliver the ball deftly on the board or into the net...not flip the ball AT the target.

If he doesn't START next year with a polished game, then he's a bust, IMO. This would be his third year after two years of being trained how to play hoops. If he is still flailing around and turning the ball over while trying to dribble the length of the floor....

[clyde21]

I don’t think there were trade down opportunities.

There wasn’t much enthusiasm about the top 5.

there are always trade opps, it's just a question of how big of a return you're getting to trade back.

[clyde21]

Lot of victory laps being taken because a kid has dealt with injury issues early in his career. Pretty ugly response from a fan base.


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i doubt anyone here is doing jumping jacks Wiseman is hurt or our 2nd overall pick has been a failure so far.

virtue signal received tho don't worry

[wco81]

Lamelo is an all-star in his second year.

But the Hornets are a .500 team with him dominating the ball, averaging the most FGAs on the team.

He's shot a lot better from 3 point range than expected but what would he do with a supporting role here? Or are people suggesting that he should take touches and FGAs from Curry, Klay, Poole? Or even Wiggins?

He may be playing well but he doesn't look like a good fit for the Warriors. Then again, JW might not be either.

[Old_Blue]

Wiseman was the right pick. Everyone looks at how Lamelo would fit on this team right now but realize the impact of having him on the roster. Who knows how well Jordan Poole develops given less shots, less chance to create, and less opportunity. Also I’d bet GP2 wouldn’t be on the team. GP2 made it on as our last roster spot, having one more guard on the roster probably means they don’t keep him

Care to elaborate. Going back to that time, how could you make the assessment that Wiseman was the right pick? There was hardly any tape on the guy and what little there was wasn't particularly inspiring. On top of that, it was reasonable to question Wiseman's dedication considering that he quit on Memphis after his NCAA suspension was lifted. As far as I could tell at the time, the Wiseman Stans were more enthralled with his height and other physical measurements than with anything they'd actually seen him do on a court. On what basis was the pick actually made?

[threethehardway]

People that thought Wiseman was a good pick was enamored with him shooting threes and dribbling in an open gym.

Let's tell the truth. Wiseman and his team was marketing him as some type of unicorn big man and apparently the Dubs fandom and the rest of the amateur draft enthuisaists brought it.

Wiseman to me, at best is Hassan Whiteside. Do you draft Hassan Whiteside number 2? No.

But people thought he was Chris Bosh lol.

[Old_Blue]

People that thought Wiseman was a good pick was enamored with him shooting threes and dribbling in an open gym.

Let's tell the truth. Wiseman and his team was marketing him as some type of unicorn big man and apparently the Dubs fandom and the rest of the amateur draft enthuisaists brought it.

Wiseman to me, at best is Hassan Whiteside. Do you draft Hassan Whiteside number 2? No.

But people thought he was Chris Bosh lol.

At the time, Wiseman's supporters were comparing him to AD. The Lakers had just come off a playoff and Finals in which AD dominated. Maybe Warriors ownership/management had some kind of existential meltdown where they felt any future road to the NBA Finals crossed through LA. Wiseman got set up as the answer to the perceived problem that was AD. The irony was that the only similarity between the two players would end up being their proclivity for missing games.

[SpreeChokeJob]

People that thought Wiseman was a good pick was enamored with him shooting threes and dribbling in an open gym.

Let's tell the truth. Wiseman and his team was marketing him as some type of unicorn big man and apparently the Dubs fandom and the rest of the amateur draft enthuisaists brought it.

Wiseman to me, at best is Hassan Whiteside. Do you draft Hassan Whiteside number 2? No.

But people thought he was Chris Bosh lol.

At the time, Wiseman's supporters were comparing him to AD. The Lakers had just come off a playoff and Finals in which AD dominated. Maybe Warriors ownership/management had some kind of existential meltdown where they felt any future road to the NBA Finals crossed through LA. Wiseman got set up as the answer to the perceived problem that was AD. The irony was that the only similarity between the two players would end up being their proclivity for missing games.

The hype at the time had him going number one. With Minny having Towns, this is the one time the Warriors got screwed by Minny.

I don’t know how they could mess up the pick. All they had to do was look at the tapes and come to a conclusion that he wasn’t Shaq.

I think at that point with Thompson injured and the other guys getting older they or more specifically Lacob was looking for the next big thing to sell the fan base. The fantasy of a legit big superstar was an easy story to sell. But all they had to do was look at the tapes and make the right basketball decision. Wiseman wasn’t going to be a generational big.

[EvanZ]

Okongwu was the best center in that draft.


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[Nvnervous45]

Okongwu is vastly overrated by everyone on this board who had him over-rated before the draft. He's a good defender and rebounder but that's about it. His offensive game consists of put- backs and dunks. He is nothing special. His ceiling is clint Cappella and his floor is a kevon looney if he continues to be hurt.

[Bizzy_Bee]

Lot of victory laps being taken because a kid has dealt with injury issues early in his career. Pretty ugly response from a fan base.


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i doubt anyone here is doing jumping jacks Wiseman is hurt or our 2nd overall pick has been a failure so far.

virtue signal received tho don't worry

You were team Wiseman over LaMelo so no victory lapping for Clyde.

But the team LaMelo’s in here are having a ball


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[AdonalFoyle4Prez]

I remember just me and 1 other dude who were saying we should draft LaMelo at #2 and everyone hated on it

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azwfan and and1GS are big backers of the Wiseman train til the end. He's a good piece to build the future around, but not to be placed with a ballclub looking to reload with seasoned veterans and role players, and young, special, nba-ready players who area ready to contribute right away.

I'm honored you take the time to really ponder my stance. But no, I had no preference in that draft. I preferred LaMelo as he seemed more of a home run swing, but I understood the Wiseman side.

James is our player today and I'm realistically reacting to the news as it comes out. I support him because he's our player. Same as I did for Diogu, Udoh and Chris Porter (still holding out hope for him and Jiri Welsch). I could freak out and say we should dump him for potato chips but I don't think that's helpful.

After the close to the season, I feel both him and Wiggins are far more expendable. I would love to bundle them and 1-2 picks for a difference maker. Or them and Poole for something even higher. Pascal has played out of his mind, but someone roughly around that level (with diminished value) would be ideal. It's hard to find what that deal is so have no specific ideas at this time. I actually think Utah would be willing to move on from Gobert, but I really think that might be an awful fit...not seeing a ton of options beyond that.

He looked like a fine, young player from his rookie year (Growing pains, but was expected), but just not sold on him for helping this current team, as there a few red flags around Wiseman (e.g., Limited playing time at Memphis, we don't know his drive/motivation to get better, injury-prone? etc.). But, like myself and those who doubt him, want him to prove he can make a giant leap for missing 1.5 seasons of growth and development as a player. For someone taken at #2, those are expectations/pressures that he should know and learn how to deal with. If he can do that in year #3 (Really his 2nd year in the league), I'll permanently disable my RealGM account because I don't know what I'm talking about

[Old_Blue]

You were team Wiseman over LaMelo so no victory lapping for Clyde21.

That level of talent assessment is par for the course with Clyde. My signature says it all.

[clyde21]

Lot of victory laps being taken because a kid has dealt with injury issues early in his career. Pretty ugly response from a fan base.


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i doubt anyone here is doing jumping jacks Wiseman is hurt or our 2nd overall pick has been a failure so far.

virtue signal received tho don't worry

You were team Wiseman over LaMelo so no victory lapping for Clyde.

But the team LaMelo’s in here are having a ball


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I was team Hali and if we were to take a big it would've been Onyeka...Wiseman was ranked 10th overall for me in that class.

and I don't care about victory laps, I care about the warriors having the best team possible...even if you thought Wiseman was worthy of the 2nd pick from a standalone talent perspective, he was always a bad fit here schematically

[cdubbz]

Thoughts?

Fumbled another dynasty possibly.

Truly wondered how drafting Lamelo or If Edwards would changed the future. All three had red flags and so far Edwards and Ball proved us wrong so far.

Either player would have provided much needed guard stability.

[cdubbz]

Anyone else think the way Lamelo/Edwards speak versus how Wiseman speaks affected opinions?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

I remember just me and 1 other dude who were saying we should draft LaMelo at #2 and everyone hated on it



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I still hate it.
I might rather draft Onyeka Okongwu, for some rim protection than draft Ball. We might still win the draft with Wiseman.
I don't like injury prone guys but Wiseman just had one injury. Looney has surprised me by staying healthy.

I wanted to avoid the Ball family. Ball isn't shooting all that well and correct me if I am wrong but he isn't know for defense is he.
So the question is what would Ball's passing add to the Warriors?

[SinceGatlingWasARookie]

If Wiseman is out for the season, is his roster spot available to add a player for the playoffs (without making Wiseman available for other teams to sign)?

[xdrta+]

If Wiseman is out for the season, is his roster spot available to add a player for the playoffs (without making Wiseman available for other teams to sign)?

No.

[GSWFan1994]

You were team Wiseman over LaMelo so no victory lapping for Clyde21.

That level of talent assessment is par for the course with Clyde. My signature says it all.

Obviously the vultures would come out with these Wiseman news... that's to be expected.

Enjoy your time in the limelight, Old Fool... you're such a kind gentleman with your words!

As for your signature, it just shows how me & Clyde live rent free in your head, lol.

It's interesting that since the beginning of the season you took out the parts where I said Davion Mitchell & another player (I guess Chris Duarte?) wouldn't be productive/good as rookies, lol.

You create your own narratives and put them to spin. You just quote other posts and come back later with a "told you so" stance. That's all you do.

In the middle of all that, your opinion is in the dust. It never exists, it never happens. It only appears retroactively.

Keep on doing you. That's why you're an Old Fool.

My favourite Old Fool!