2022 NBA Draft Part II

[CptCrunch]

Top 10 players roughly speaking, outcomes are based on average case.

Tier 1 (All-star, top 5 player at position)

Paolo Banchero
Chet Holmgren

Tier 2 (Low tier all-star)

Jabari Smith

Tier 3 (rough order) (Role player)

Shaedon Sharpe
Adrian Griffin Jr
Jaden Ivey
Jalen Duren
Keegan Murray
Bennedict Mathurin
Mark Williams

Overrated Tier:

TyTy Washington, this dude is an old sophomore basically, turns 21 this year as a Freshman.
Tari Eason, deserves a first round pick, no way should he go top 10.
Johnny Davis, I've been **** on Davis for months. Lunacy to consider him in the lotto. He is a 15-25 pick kind of player at best.

Why so down on Davis?
He does a lot of what a great scorer in the NBA does. Midrange operators usually eat better in the NBA than college. I am weighing him up with Ivey.

Mediocre athlete in love with the mid-range. Shooting 30.6% from 3 this year btw. Doesn't pass the ball well and has a negative assist to turnover rate, effectively a ball stopper due to his role in college jacking up all the shots for his team.

Ideally I want my guard to shoot, have exceptional physical attributes or have the ability/potential to run a pro style half court offense. Davis does none of the three things at an above average level for a NBA SG.

Ivey has top tier athleticism, reasonable shooting splits with upward trend(I do think Davis is better despite his crappy %), and much better play making potentials. Ivey checks 1 box hard, and shows promises in smudging in some dark marks in the other two boxes.

[CptCrunch]

Mark Williams is a stud. Giant stud with essential skills for this position.

Rebounding and defense. (Duren) and Williams are both blue-chip center prospects this year.

[Duke4life831]

The question before the tournament was who might shoot up the draft boards the most from the tournament, I think Mark Williams might end up being that guy.

I still wouldnt take him before the top 20, but I wont go shocked if he goes lotto now. He has been so good in the tournament and Im sure will climb up some teams boards.

He has been the best player of the tournament so far.

[The Moose]

yep, Williams is dominating out there

just way too big and athletic for Arkansas bigs

should get a look in that 10-20 range come draft night

[eminence]

Awesome seeing Umude play in such a big game, having an alright game too.

[Big J]

I'd take Mark Williams top 5 tbh. He's got a great body, played real competition, and we've seen his type have success at the next level.

[Duke4life831]

I will say this again. Ive been very vocal about my criticisms of K and how Im looking forward to Scheyer taking over and how its been a long time since K has looked like young K.

But K rolling back the clocks at the start of this tournament.

Roach being inserted into the starting lineup
Limiting Keels role
Much better off ball movement and just overall team oriented offense
K making adjustments mid game like he used to (going to the zone both of the last two games, running sets over and over again for Paolo in the post after that timeout in the 2nd half)

This is what happens when K actually coaches a team with this much talent.

[CptCrunch]

Mark Williams is actually so good. Best player on the floor tonight. If he can't control a rebound, he tips it like Jokic. He did multiple times today. Played high level defense without fouling.

Paolo, meh game from Paolo. Had some nice shots showing pro level mid-range game, but the shots didn't fall.

Griffin showing his sniper skills. The guy is at 46.1% (71/154) for the season from 3.

Moore played a very solid game, saved Duke with Roach crapping turnovers. Roach was crapping the bed so Moore played PG and saved the mid-game.

Roach, terrible, almost gave away the lead. K needs to stop playing this kid.

Keels, just okay. Some team is gonna draft this 18 year old football player (won't turn 19 until late August).

[Duke4life831]

Mark Williams is actually so good. Best player on the floor tonight. If he can't control a rebound, he tips it like Jokic. He did multiple times today. Played high level defense without fouling.

Paolo, meh game from Paolo. Had some nice shots showing pro level mid-range game, but the shots didn't fall.

Griffin showing his sniper skills. The guy is at 46.1% (71/154) for the season from 3.

Moore played a very solid game, saved Duke with Roach crapping turnovers. Roach was crapping the bed so Moore played PG and saved the mid-game.

Roach, terrible, almost gave away the lead. K needs to stop playing this kid.

Keels, just okay. Some team is gonna draft this 18 year old football player (won't turn 19 until late August).

This is the main reason Duke is where they currently are. Roach has been very good throughout the tournament and if we stop playing Roach, that means playing Keels more. It really isnt a coincidence that Duke looks like they have turned a page to start the tournament and that goes with Keels being taken out of the starting lineup.

[CptCrunch]

Mark Williams is actually so good. Best player on the floor tonight. If he can't control a rebound, he tips it like Jokic. He did multiple times today. Played high level defense without fouling.

Paolo, meh game from Paolo. Had some nice shots showing pro level mid-range game, but the shots didn't fall.

Griffin showing his sniper skills. The guy is at 46.1% (71/154) for the season from 3.

Moore played a very solid game, saved Duke with Roach crapping turnovers. Roach was crapping the bed so Moore played PG and saved the mid-game.

Roach, terrible, almost gave away the lead. K needs to stop playing this kid.

Keels, just okay. Some team is gonna draft this 18 year old football player (won't turn 19 until late August).

This is the main reason Duke is where they currently are. Roach has been very good throughout the tournament and if we stop playing Roach, that means playing Keels more. It really isnt a coincidence that Duke looks like they have turned a page to start the tournament and that goes with Keels being taken out of the starting lineup.

Paolo and Moore play PG, limit Keels and Roach unless one of them is hot. I only like Roach driving the ball up, stopping presses. I do not want him initiating offense from top of the key. He literally pounds the ball then passes it with clock running down most of the time.

[Duke4life831]

Mark Williams is actually so good. Best player on the floor tonight. If he can't control a rebound, he tips it like Jokic. He did multiple times today. Played high level defense without fouling.

Paolo, meh game from Paolo. Had some nice shots showing pro level mid-range game, but the shots didn't fall.

Griffin showing his sniper skills. The guy is at 46.1% (71/154) for the season from 3.

Moore played a very solid game, saved Duke with Roach crapping turnovers. Roach was crapping the bed so Moore played PG and saved the mid-game.

Roach, terrible, almost gave away the lead. K needs to stop playing this kid.

Keels, just okay. Some team is gonna draft this 18 year old football player (won't turn 19 until late August).

This is the main reason Duke is where they currently are. Roach has been very good throughout the tournament and if we stop playing Roach, that means playing Keels more. It really isnt a coincidence that Duke looks like they have turned a page to start the tournament and that goes with Keels being taken out of the starting lineup.

Paolo and Moore play PG, limit Keels and Roach unless one of them is hot. I only like Roach driving the ball up, stopping presses. I do not want him initiating offense from top of the key. He literally pounds the ball then passes it with clock running down most of the time.

We've seen Moore as the primary ball handler, he is much better suited as the secondary ball handler. Same for Paolo, Paolo is far more effective when getting to start his offense from the high post, not from the perimeter.

Roach so far in the tournament before today, 14/2/4 on 55% shooting. Notae's pressure bothered Roach today no doubt, but not enough to say he shouldn't be getting minutes. Roach's ability to attack and get to the rim greatly opens up many options for this team.

Again there is a reason it looks like Duke took a big step since the start of the tournament. Its with the insertion of Roach into the starting lineup and his big threat to penetrate and get to the rim.

[Big J]

Yea man. In this crappy draft Mark Williams is a sure thing. I’m trying to find the argument for taking him lower than 5. It’s very possible he ends up having a better career than Chet due to his physical profile even though he can’t handle the ball like a ballerina like Chet does.

[tmorgan]

Chet’s gonna make some GM very happy or very sad, and I’m still not sure which.

[BlazersBroncos]

Ndefo looked like the best athlete on the floor this game. Guy has legit NBA upside IMO. But all will come down to developing a stand still 3, and at his age that’s not too likely. Still think he isn’t a reach in the 45 and later range.

[azcatz11]

I will say this again. Ive been very vocal about my criticisms of K and how Im looking forward to Scheyer taking over and how its been a long time since K has looked like young K.

But K rolling back the clocks at the start of this tournament.

Roach being inserted into the starting lineup
Limiting Keels role
Much better off ball movement and just overall team oriented offense
K making adjustments mid game like he used to (going to the zone both of the last two games, running sets over and over again for Paolo in the post after that timeout in the 2nd half)

This is what happens when K actually coaches a team with this much talent.

Good for you guys man. As an Arizona fan, I’m conditioned to hate you guys (which I do) but it’s pretty dope to see K doing this his last year. Do I want you to win the ship? Not really but what a ride.

[Ruzious]

I will say this again. Ive been very vocal about my criticisms of K and how Im looking forward to Scheyer taking over and how its been a long time since K has looked like young K.

But K rolling back the clocks at the start of this tournament.

Roach being inserted into the starting lineup
Limiting Keels role
Much better off ball movement and just overall team oriented offense
K making adjustments mid game like he used to (going to the zone both of the last two games, running sets over and over again for Paolo in the post after that timeout in the 2nd half)

This is what happens when K actually coaches a team with this much talent.

Good for you guys man. As an Arizona fan, I’m conditioned to hate you guys (which I do) but it’s pretty dope to see K doing this his last year. Do I want you to win the ship? Not really but what a ride.

I grew up a MD fan, so I'm also conditioned to hate Duke even though MD moved to the Big 10, but I can't hate on Coack K anymore. It's a great story, and Duke is such a talented team. Still, I'm rooting for Villanova to somehow win it all - Jay Wright is such a great coach. And I don't think they have even 1 player who's gonna get drafted.

[Ruzious]

Very sorry to hear Nova's Justin Moore (grew up in MD) did - in fact - tear his achilles tendon. Look away if the replay comes on.

[Duke4life831]

Very sorry to hear Nova's Justin Moore (grew up in MD) did - in fact - tear his achilles tendon. Look away if the replay comes on.

Yup. I'm no doctor but ya I saw the Dwight Powell Achilles tear a few years back and this looked exactly like it. So ya the second I saw the replay, I was hoping for a different outcome but assumed this would be the news.

[JRoy]

Top 10 players roughly speaking, outcomes are based on average case.

Tier 1 (All-star, top 5 player at position)

Paolo Banchero
Chet Holmgren

Tier 2 (Low tier all-star)

Jabari Smith

Tier 3 (rough order) (Role player)

Shaedon Sharpe
Adrian Griffin Jr
Jaden Ivey
Jalen Duren
Keegan Murray
Bennedict Mathurin
Mark Williams

Overrated Tier:

TyTy Washington, this dude is an old sophomore basically, turns 21 this year as a Freshman.
Tari Eason, deserves a first round pick, no way should he go top 10.
Johnny Davis, I've been **** on Davis for months. Lunacy to consider him in the lotto. He is a 15-25 pick kind of player at best.

Why so down on Davis?
He does a lot of what a great scorer in the NBA does. Midrange operators usually eat better in the NBA than college. I am weighing him up with Ivey.

Mediocre athlete in love with the mid-range. Shooting 30.6% from 3 this year btw. Doesn't pass the ball well and has a negative assist to turnover rate, effectively a ball stopper due to his role in college jacking up all the shots for his team.

Ideally I want my guard to shoot, have exceptional physical attributes or have the ability/potential to run a pro style half court offense. Davis does none of the three things at an above average level for a NBA SG.

Ivey has top tier athleticism, reasonable shooting splits with upward trend(I do think Davis is better despite his crappy %), and much better play making potentials. Ivey checks 1 box hard, and shows promises in smudging in some dark marks in the other two boxes.

Ivey is the best guard I saw in the tournament.

I had doubts going into it, thought he was overrated.

He’s going to be a solid pro.

[jezzerinho]

Curious to know whether you all think the label Trevion Williams seems to be getting saddled with (old school, tweener size, limited athlete, likely role player) is an apt one or is selling him short?

As is probably obvious, I'm more in the latter camp. There's a team out there who looks at this kid and says "good rim protector, great inside game, competitor. Nice but that doesn't wow me. What wows me is what I could potentially achieve with him as an inside-out offensive focal point".

The league values very highly the game that he brings. Vooch is a guy who's made a lot of money fulfilling a similar role to what Trevion could bring.

So Trevion is smaller. He really gets up off two feet but he's not what you call explosive. Who cares though, right? It's missing the point. You draft him as a fulcrum where he uses his smarts and offensive flexibility to manipulate defenses.

Let your other big cover his deficiencies. But in him you have an elite decision-making and ball movement toolbox that works in this league.

His absurd advanced stats suggest he doesn't damage the team by being unconventional in other areas. He's making Ivey a ton of money, that's all i know.
In this shítty draft, assuming you're ready to embrace handing the keys to some degree to a rookie with a weird game, why not take him well up in the first round?