Chet Holmgren

[uberhikari]

Chet's comp on offense isn't Porzingis or Durant, it's young Dirk. But here's what I want you to do: Go look at highlights of Dirk in 2000 and 2001 and tell me that Chet has the athleticism, quickness, and explosiveness of young Dirk. Compared to Dirk, Chet just looks like a 7 footer who can dribble without bouncing the ball off his foot. From what I've seen Chet will never have the ability to blow by defenders on the perimeter and attack the paint.

[mattg]

Porzingis is a bad comp, so is Durant, so is Dirk. Chet looks like Joakim Noah with a jumper and better shot blocking. He basically has better offensive production and rim protecting version of Noah's sophomore year. Yeah he's skinny, but he moves well for 7ft and anyone who thinks differently hasn't watched many young 7ft dudes or thinks if a guy isn't Giannis or KD they aren't mobile for a big. I don't know that Holmgren is gonna be some super duper star player, but this draft is pretty crap up top and Holmgren seems like a sure bet high value winning player that could turn out really nice depending how his body develops.

[DirtyDez]

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[zimpy27]

Porzingis is a bad comp, so is Durant, so is Dirk. Chet looks like Joakim Noah with a jumper and better shot blocking. He basically has better offensive production and rim protecting version of Noah's sophomore year. Yeah he's skinny, but he moves well for 7ft and anyone who thinks differently hasn't watched many young 7ft dudes or thinks if a guy isn't Giannis or KD they aren't mobile for a big. I don't know that Holmgren is gonna be some super duper star player, but this draft is pretty crap up top and Holmgren seems like a sure bet high value winning player that could turn out really nice depending how his body develops.

Yeah that's a good comp

[Jaivl]

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Is that slow-mo?

[jasonxxx102]

Porzingis is a bad comp, so is Durant, so is Dirk. Chet looks like Joakim Noah with a jumper and better shot blocking. He basically has better offensive production and rim protecting version of Noah's sophomore year. Yeah he's skinny, but he moves well for 7ft and anyone who thinks differently hasn't watched many young 7ft dudes or thinks if a guy isn't Giannis or KD they aren't mobile for a big. I don't know that Holmgren is gonna be some super duper star player, but this draft is pretty crap up top and Holmgren seems like a sure bet high value winning player that could turn out really nice depending how his body develops.

This is fine if you just totally discount the fact that Noah had AT LEAST 40lbs on Chet coming out of school.

Pokusevski is a good comp for Chet. Basically the same skill set coming into the league minus the pedigree of a top US school. If Poku went to Gonzaga he’d be a top 5 pick too.

He physically can’t add enough weight to that frame to become playable at the 5 so he’s going to be an oversized 3-4 that is going to be relegated to spotting up from 3 and maybe occasionally run the break.

He won’t even be the most promising player wherever he gets drafted and will likely be a 3rd option offensively at best.

[mattg]

Porzingis is a bad comp, so is Durant, so is Dirk. Chet looks like Joakim Noah with a jumper and better shot blocking. He basically has better offensive production and rim protecting version of Noah's sophomore year. Yeah he's skinny, but he moves well for 7ft and anyone who thinks differently hasn't watched many young 7ft dudes or thinks if a guy isn't Giannis or KD they aren't mobile for a big. I don't know that Holmgren is gonna be some super duper star player, but this draft is pretty crap up top and Holmgren seems like a sure bet high value winning player that could turn out really nice depending how his body develops.

This is fine if you just totally discount the fact that Noah had AT LEAST 40lbs on Chet coming out of school.

Pokusevski is a good comp for Chet. Basically the same skill set coming into the league minus the pedigree of a top US school. If Poku went to Gonzaga he’d be a top 5 pick too.

He physically can’t add enough weight to that frame to become playable at the 5 so he’s going to be an oversized 3-4 that is going to be relegated to spotting up from 3 and maybe occasionally run the break.

He won’t even be the most promising player wherever he gets drafted and will likely be a 3rd option offensively at best.

With all due respect, you sound like you weren't following basketball closely when Noah came out of HS. "at least 40lbs" gtfo out of here that's ridiculous. Go back and check his listing. Rivals had him at 6'10 200 lbs as a HS prospect. Obviously Noah then bulked up a bit and was listed a 6'11 232 but he left Florida as junior not a frosh. Additionally, despite being skinny, Chet still produces WAY more than Noah did at the same age. They play alike and that's what matters.

[bdoody42]

The biggest difference between the two is that Chet can shoot the ball with range. Noah was solely a threat to finish inside in college. On offense the only similarity I see is a willingness to pass and being solid at it at the collegiate level.

[mattg]

The biggest difference between the two is that Chet can shoot the ball with range. Noah was solely a threat to finish inside in college. On offense the only similarity I see is a willingness to pass and being solid at it at the collegiate level.

Noah was awesome at taking the ball off a defensive rebound and going coast to coast. Great screener and connector offensively ala Draymond Green. Obviously they both pass pretty well. Both were defensive anchors. Chet is more skilled and can shoot. Hence why I said the comparison was Noah with a J and better shot blocking. Looking at how valuable Noah was in the NBA, that makes Chet potentially a super valuable player even if not a conventional high scoring superstar player.

[jasonxxx102]

Porzingis is a bad comp, so is Durant, so is Dirk. Chet looks like Joakim Noah with a jumper and better shot blocking. He basically has better offensive production and rim protecting version of Noah's sophomore year. Yeah he's skinny, but he moves well for 7ft and anyone who thinks differently hasn't watched many young 7ft dudes or thinks if a guy isn't Giannis or KD they aren't mobile for a big. I don't know that Holmgren is gonna be some super duper star player, but this draft is pretty crap up top and Holmgren seems like a sure bet high value winning player that could turn out really nice depending how his body develops.

This is fine if you just totally discount the fact that Noah had AT LEAST 40lbs on Chet coming out of school.

Pokusevski is a good comp for Chet. Basically the same skill set coming into the league minus the pedigree of a top US school. If Poku went to Gonzaga he’d be a top 5 pick too.

He physically can’t add enough weight to that frame to become playable at the 5 so he’s going to be an oversized 3-4 that is going to be relegated to spotting up from 3 and maybe occasionally run the break.

He won’t even be the most promising player wherever he gets drafted and will likely be a 3rd option offensively at best.

With all due respect, you sound like you weren't following basketball closely when Noah came out of HS. "at least 40lbs" gtfo out of here that's ridiculous. Go back and check his listing. Rivals had him at 6'10 200 lbs as a HS prospect. Obviously Noah then bulked up a bit and was listed a 6'11 232 but he left Florida as junior not a frosh. Additionally, despite being skinny, Chet still produces WAY more than Noah did at the same age. They play alike and that's what matters.

Noah came into the league at 230 which is what I was referencing.

So even if Chet CAN fill out like Noah he’s 3 years behind and coming in at 190. You can have all the talent in the world but if you’re not put in a good spot to develop that the deck is stacked against you. I think Chet should stay another year and really prove he can be THE guy and lead a team.

Noah had 3 years to grow into his body and game which Chet doesn’t have. He will be asked to produce from day 1

The problem here is that he’s been mega hyped by social media for years now and people just can’t see or don’t want to admit to the clear deficiencies in his game. He’s going to have a very tough time being effective in the league offensively and I’m not sold on him being elite defensively either.

He doesn’t have “guard like” skills. Cool he crossed up Steph in a meaningless AAU game or whatever but I can promise you he’s not an NBA caliber ball handler. There have been an endless number of bigs who could supposedly handle the ball and facilitate and how many panned out?

The shot probably translates to the league just fine but like are you drafting him #1 to have him stand at the 3pt line? It’s not like he’s got an elite post game that he can fall back on.

Go back and watch the Memphis game and watch how he struggled to score against Duren. That’s a sneak preview of NBA life.

The best 2 comps I’ve seen are Brook Lopez and Pokusevski. If you’re saying he’s like Noah in the sense that they’re both high IQ guys? Fine but outside of that I don’t see it. Producing more at the same age is absolutely meaningless because the game and overall environment is very different now

Offensively they are nothing alike. Defensively the frame is going to 100% matter. If you tell me he will fill out to eventually be playable at the 5 sure but it’s gonna take a couple years.

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wow i remember seeing that clip, had no idea it was chet. this is like when i found out that famous HS football clip was lamar jackson:

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[mattg]

The best 2 comps I’ve seen are Brook Lopez and Pokusevski. If you’re saying he’s like Noah in the sense that they’re both high IQ guys? Fine but outside of that I don’t see it. Producing more at the same age is absolutely meaningless because the game and overall environment is very different now

Offensively they are nothing alike. Defensively the frame is going to 100% matter. If you tell me he will fill out to eventually be playable at the 5 sure but it’s gonna take a couple years.

This is where you have gone off the rails totally. You harp on and on about the frame and talk about how Noah is a bad comp because he was 6'11 230 at draft time. Well, Lopez was even larger coming into college and even bigger yet going into the draft. Also, as a young player he was basically a guy with all sorts of post moves who never ever shot 3s. Then when he came to Milwaukee he started exclusively jacking 3s with no conscience, while also being like 40-50lbs heavier than when he was drafted. The Brook Lopez comp for Chet makes no sense on ANY level whatsoever involving playstyle and even less so when using your own criteria lol.

[jasonxxx102]

The best 2 comps I’ve seen are Brook Lopez and Pokusevski. If you’re saying he’s like Noah in the sense that they’re both high IQ guys? Fine but outside of that I don’t see it. Producing more at the same age is absolutely meaningless because the game and overall environment is very different now

Offensively they are nothing alike. Defensively the frame is going to 100% matter. If you tell me he will fill out to eventually be playable at the 5 sure but it’s gonna take a couple years.

This is where you have gone off the rails totally. You harp on and on about the frame and talk about how Noah is a bad comp because he was 6'11 230 at draft time. Well, Lopez was even larger coming into college and even bigger yet going into the draft. Also, as a young player he was basically a guy with all sorts of post moves who never ever shot 3s. Then when he came to Milwaukee he started exclusively jacking 3s with no conscience, while also being like 40-50lbs heavier than when he was drafted. The Brook Lopez comp for Chet makes no sense on ANY level whatsoever involving playstyle and even less so when using your own criteria lol.

Fine he’s a thinner version of Milwaukee Brook. He’s gonna do little more than jack 3s.

You can just admit Noah is a really bad comp

[Prokorov]

Porzingis is a bad comp, so is Durant, so is Dirk. Chet looks like Joakim Noah with a jumper and better shot blocking. He basically has better offensive production and rim protecting version of Noah's sophomore year. Yeah he's skinny, but he moves well for 7ft and anyone who thinks differently hasn't watched many young 7ft dudes or thinks if a guy isn't Giannis or KD they aren't mobile for a big. I don't know that Holmgren is gonna be some super duper star player, but this draft is pretty crap up top and Holmgren seems like a sure bet high value winning player that could turn out really nice depending how his body develops.

Noah wasnt that slow or weak and had like 10 times the motor of chet. much more athletic off both 1 or 2 feet. and just stronger/more aggressive. and this is freshman/softmore noah, not 06-07 noah. watch that sophmore year title game..

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Chet is slower and less athletic... and while the 18-19 year old versions of guys like noah/KD/Dirk where thinner then we choose to remeber those guys were still built stronger and threw their weight around more then chet

[Prokorov]

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This is what started all the over rated hype. this was in that ESPN piece on chet too. He crosses over an offseason curry, who isnt some great defender to start and who is playing at like 1/4 speed. yeah he has a skilled handle. but no first step, quickness, and is a below avg athelte

[Prokorov]

The biggest difference between the two is that Chet can shoot the ball with range. Noah was solely a threat to finish inside in college. On offense the only similarity I see is a willingness to pass and being solid at it at the collegiate level.

Noah was awesome at taking the ball off a defensive rebound and going coast to coast. Great screener and connector offensively ala Draymond Green. Obviously they both pass pretty well. Both were defensive anchors. Chet is more skilled and can shoot. Hence why I said the comparison was Noah with a J and better shot blocking. Looking at how valuable Noah was in the NBA, that makes Chet potentially a super valuable player even if not a conventional high scoring superstar player.

its not the same game now vs. 2008 when Noah played. Noah value inside was heightened in a league with more big players and less three point shooting and less switching. Noah could anchor a defense, chet cant. his shot blocking will be minimized and he wont rebound at nearly the level noah did and with less value on rebounds then noah did because noah rebounded in a era that was 4 and 5 out with guards rebounding a ton and no teams crashing the glass.