2021-22 NBA Rookie Thread (part 6) - with ROY poll

[CantStopTheRock]

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Weird I thought Doncic would have done it... and he did.

I guess they don't include February as a month because of the Allstar game and Doncic had 24.4/9.4.7.4 in 8 games? Talk about cherry picking stats.

If you are going to start ignoring months why not just go by 11 games stretch. MCW did it, Steve Francis did it. Tyreke Evans barely missed the mark by both 11 game stretch and by "month"

[MotownMadness]

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Weird I thought Doncic would have done it... and he did.

I guess they don't include February as a month because of the Allstar game and Doncic had 24.4/9.4.7.4 in 8 games? Talk about cherry picking stats.

If you are going to start ignoring months why not just go by 11 games stretch. MCW did it, Steve Francis did it. Tyreke Evans barely missed the mark by both 11 game stretch and by "month"

Lol, yeah dont anyone post any monthly good run stats for your rookie. Pretty sure you can go back the last 4 months together and its still gonna be impressive and up there for a rookie.

[Jabroni Lames]

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Still well below league average efficiency. Cade basically has a green light.

[MotownMadness]

So if cade tightens up his TOs and efficiency to become the perfect player where do we rank him in the league?

Basically the core is there and now just has to clean up some things but my God if he did everything the stat watchers want as a rookie he would be the GOAT rookie.

[CantStopTheRock]

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Weird I thought Doncic would have done it... and he did.

I guess they don't include February as a month because of the Allstar game and Doncic had 24.4/9.4.7.4 in 8 games? Talk about cherry picking stats.

If you are going to start ignoring months why not just go by 11 games stretch. MCW did it, Steve Francis did it. Tyreke Evans barely missed the mark by both 11 game stretch and by "month"

Lol, yeah dont anyone post any monthly good run stats for your rookie. Pretty sure you can go back the last 4 months together and its still gonna be impressive and up there for a rookie.

His stats this month are impressive. But there is a difference between just posting the stat vs making a claim that only MJ did it which is misleading and is actually wrong.

You go back 4 months on Cade and you get negative in WS, OBPM,DBPM, and 0.2 VORP. He finally just passed 50% TS.

I still think Mobley and Barnes should be ahead in ROY. Cade is barely ahead in counting stats but gets destroyed in advanced stats.

With that being said Pre-draft I had

Mobley>>Cade>>>>>>Green>>>>>>>>>>Rest (I did not like Suggs)

Now

Mobley>=Cade>Barnes=Green

I would still take Mobley first because you are likely to get at least a 2/3 option offensively and a defensive anchor.

Cade is the one with the best chance to be a primary creator and lead ball handler on a contender. If he doesn't reach that level I prefer Mobley or Barnes as a 2/3 option, not necessarily because I think Cade can't work off-ball, I just think Barnes and Mobley can have bigger impact in that role.

I would probably have Barnes third over green in the future only because I think he is more easily portable and fits into any system and almost any position.

But honestly they are all close that it can easily depend on team needs in the future

[tmorgan]

The relative closeness of the RotY race has made this thread awful. So much misuse of stats, emphasis on some things while ignoring others for all of them.

I’m going to continue to celebrate this massive infusion of talented young players, including one for my team. So much fun to watch these guys develop.

[chilluminati]

Thinking Basketball put out a banger video explaining a lot about Cades game. This might be informative for those who can't take time to watch the lowly Pistons.

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[PhilBlackson]

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Not hating and I didn't write the guy's comment at the end lol...just sayin' doe.

[duppyy]

The relative closeness of the RotY race has made this thread awful. So much misuse of stats, emphasis on some things while ignoring others for all of them.

I’m going to continue to celebrate this massive infusion of talented young players, including one for my team. So much fun to watch these guys develop.

All these people crying about ROTY are ruining this thread tbh. People just need to enjoy this rookie class over some stupid award that has no meaning.

[God Squad]

Three horse race to the finish. Lets all enjoy the ride without poo poo'ing each rookie.

[TheLand13]

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Not hating and I didn't write the guy's comment at the end lol...just sayin' doe.

Fans like this are very difficult to take seriously sometimes.

With that said, I think at this point, Barnes should be the favorite. I think he’s been able to adapt better to roster changes and individual matchups than Mobley has and I think he’s been more instrumental to Toronto’s success at this point than Mobley has. Jarrett Allen’s injury has really opened up my eyes in regards to how much Cleveland needs him compared to Mobley, and while Mobley’s incredible defense can’t be ignored, Barnes has been able to dominate more consistently in other areas, where as Mobley had a little spurt of offensive greatness once Allen got hurt but has fallen off a cliff the past few games. Sure, so has Barnes, but he’s proven he can sustain it for a much longer period of time and I think that’s made it easier for Toronto to win games compared to Cleveland.

[HotelVitale]

The relative closeness of the RotY race has made this thread awful. So much misuse of stats, emphasis on some things while ignoring others for all of them. I’m going to continue to celebrate this massive infusion of talented young players, including one for my team. So much fun to watch these guys develop.

All these people crying about ROTY are ruining this thread tbh. People just need to enjoy this rookie class over some stupid award that has no meaning.

Always like this in a year where there's no runaway winner, brings out the worst in people. Seems like people are both mega-excited about their new guys--planning their whole team's future around it--and then also get really really defensive/protective about that excitement and dig in hard even when it looks goofy.

Result is lots of twisting stats or arguments to show why that excitement is justified--first rookie to ever average 2 blocks and a steal in 5 straight against teams in the southeast with a late-middle-aged coach!--and then fans of other promising rookies side-swiping at that and pointing out all the flaws. Even though they're doing the same thing for their own guy. Then repeat.

And everyone who's not caught up in that is like, 'yup they look pretty good, be cool to see what happens in the next couple years.'

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[Vampirate]

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Not hating and I didn't write the guy's comment at the end lol...just sayin' doe.

Fans like this are very difficult to take seriously sometimes.

With that said, I think at this point, Barnes should be the favorite. I think he’s been able to adapt better to roster changes and individual matchups than Mobley has and I think he’s been more instrumental to Toronto’s success at this point than Mobley has. Jarrett Allen’s injury has really opened up my eyes in regards to how much Cleveland needs him compared to Mobley, and while Mobley’s incredible defense can’t be ignored, Barnes has been able to dominate more consistently in other areas, where as Mobley had a little spurt of offensive greatness once Allen got hurt but has fallen off a cliff the past few games. Sure, so has Barnes, but he’s proven he can sustain it for a much longer period of time and I think that’s made it easier for Toronto to win games compared to Cleveland.

I said this in the other thread before I lost my cool a bit.

I think Mobley legit has a ceiling higher than a traditional center, I envision him as KD lite on offense if all goes well to be honest, it's why I really want to see him as an overall scorer on the court. The Gobert comparison didn't make too much sense, it's just when you think of a Center that is a very high percentage around the basket, doesn't have range and gets most of his baskets off assisted dunks, you automatically think of Gobert.

That being said, Mobley easily has a higher ceiling than Gobert and it's not close. Mobley actually has some range as his shooting from 10-16 feet out is actually pretty decent, it's just odd he struggles closer up. Maybe what Mobley needs to work on is Ball Handling, i'm not saying he's bad I just can't escape in my mind Mobley ceiling is a SF who has the height of a center.

I don't know how much stronger he's going to get, but a player who's that agile and that tall is extremely rare imo. I'd really like to see him model his game after KD, which is where the shooting thing came up. Very high ceiling regardless if he's going to be more of a center or a SF.

[Moses ShamMoses]

ROY isn't a big deal as its a Year1 award favoring NBA readiness. Since players usually take several years to develop it holds little to no weight into which players end up having the best career. Just look at guys like Malcolm Brogdon and MCW winning in recent past..

[vege]

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Weird I thought Doncic would have done it... and he did.

I guess they don't include February as a month because of the Allstar game and Doncic had 24.4/9.4.7.4 in 8 games? Talk about cherry picking stats.

If you are going to start ignoring months why not just go by 11 games stretch. MCW did it, Steve Francis did it. Tyreke Evans barely missed the mark by both 11 game stretch and by "month"

If you want to add Luka to that list I don't mind, it doesn't make what Cade is doing this month less impressive.

[Vampirate]

ROY isn't a big deal as its a Year1 award favoring NBA readiness. Since players usually take several years to develop it holds little to no weight into which players end up having the best career. Just look at guys like Malcolm Brogdon and MCW winning in recent past..

Brogdon is a fair use of a player here, as he turned out to be a good but not great player.

MCW really shouldn't be used here. He's in the running for one of the worst ROY winners of all time.

Like the #1 pick there are tiers to ROY winners, or ROY battles.

[PD28]

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This pretty much sums up Green's rookie season. When he's hot, he's great. It's just that he's struggled to develop consistency for the first half the season - he has come on strong over the past two months. If he turned it around earlier, this ROY battle would be so much more fun to watch.

[K_chile22]

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This pretty much sums up Green's rookie season. When he's hot, he's great. It's just that he's struggled to develop consistency for the first half the season - he has come on strong over the past two months. If he turned it around earlier, this ROY battle would be so much more fun to watch.

Didn't help that he was shooting some crazy high arcing jumper that he never shot before including SL. He was shooting 27.8% from three until he got hurt and could only work on jumpers with John Lucas. After that the crazy arc disappeared and he's hit 35.4% of his threes since. Idk what happened that led to him adding all that arc to his shot before the season but I'm glad they got that thrown into the garbage

[Madhouse]

ROY isn't a big deal as its a Year1 award favoring NBA readiness. Since players usually take several years to develop it holds little to no weight into which players end up having the best career. Just look at guys like Malcolm Brogdon and MCW winning in recent past..

They are the exception. Most players who win ROY or are even in the discussion end up very good NBA players, if not great.