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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1341 » by Piston Pete » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:29 pm

Cowology wrote:
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tmorgan wrote:Yeah, at this point we need a rim protector in the worst way. Some one for our adequate perimeter defenders to funnel to.

As much as I often don’t like him, Bagley has impressed me a lot. But he absolutely cannot handle the above role. So, even if we don’t draft a big, one of Bagley or Grant likely needs to go. That’s too much money to spend on two guys that both fail miserably at one aspect of playing a big (Bagley’s defense, Grant’s rebounding).


Enter Jalen Smith, the 21 year old FA-to-be.

He’s more versatile scorer than Bagley and he’s a better rebounder than Grant. He’ll block more shots than both.

Smith is interesting. It's another Monk type situation where the Pacers are restricted in what they are able to offer him, so he's almost certainly gone. He barely played for Phx and didn't do a whole lot while there, but he's put up solid numbers with the Pacers. It's a very small sample size though and I've barely seen him play.


Yeah, the Pacers will absolutely not be able to retain Smith. They can only offer him $4+ million and Smith’s next contract will surely be more than that.

He’s capable of playing PF and C. He’s got a much better outside shot than Bagley, but will also bang down low and knows how’s to make himself available for lobs (like Bagley).

He’s 21.

He’s good defensively as well and will block more shots than Bagley.
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Post#1342 » by vege » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:39 pm

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He’s good defensively


lol what? Do you even believe in what you're saying?
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Post#1343 » by Piston Pete » Sun Mar 27, 2022 10:40 pm

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He’s good defensively

I
lol what? Do you even believe in what you're saying?


He is.

Do you?
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Post#1344 » by breezypeezy » Sun Mar 27, 2022 11:51 pm

zeebneeb wrote:This Grant talk is interesting. Everyone here knows that the team needs lob threats for Cade, as it opens up his game. We all also know the team needs rebounding out of that position, something Grant is horrible at.(He also rarely is a lob threat even though he's athletic, which I find odd)

The real problem is that Grant is actually a small forward, playing at PF. All of this would be fine, if he could in fact, rebound the ball.

So the real decision is of you want to replace Bey, with Grant.

If the Pistons land top 3, they are picking a big, and they are all natural PF's.

The Pistons need two big guys on the floor;

Chet/Banchero/Smith-Bagley

That solves the rebounding problem, and offers up amazing lob threats, and pick and pop/roll opportunities.

So;

Chet
Bagley
Grant
Free agent/Bey/Livers/???
Cade

That makes the team BIG, and offers up a ton of rim protection, rebounding, and shooting.

Keep Grant, play him at the position that fits him, and go from there. He cannot continue playing as a starting PF, as he cannot/won't rebound the damn ball.

Grant is 7th on the team in rebounding.

Yep, that's a variation of what I'd like.
Grant at SF, move Bey, Stewart and Killian to the 2nd unit.
Then we can concentrate on drafting and F.A. for the other two starting slots C and SG.
There's a couple of options for this route depending on who we draft but moving people into their proper slots accomplishes much for us.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1345 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:36 am

Jordan Poole + Wiseman + Wiggins for Jerami Grant + Saddiq Bey?
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1346 » by Cowology » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:39 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Jordan Poole + Wiseman + Wiggins for Jerami Grant + Saddiq Bey?
No takesy backsies.
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Post#1347 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:04 am

Cowology wrote:
AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Jordan Poole + Wiseman + Wiggins for Jerami Grant + Saddiq Bey?
No takesy backsies.


Whoops, forgot to add for your guys' future 1st round pick?
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Post#1348 » by mattao313 » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:39 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Jordan Poole + Wiseman + Wiggins for Jerami Grant + Saddiq Bey?
Cow likes it but I'd pass personally

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Post#1349 » by tmorgan » Mon Mar 28, 2022 6:11 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Jordan Poole + Wiseman + Wiggins for Jerami Grant + Saddiq Bey?


Nope.

I’d take Poole for Grant, but I know the money doesn’t work for GS.

Wiseman has no value, as he sucked when he played and hasn’t gotten healthy since. Frankly, given his lack of defensive awareness but obvious physical skills, he’s just injured Bagley.

Wiggins is fine but overpaid. Wouldn’t trade Bey for those two given the massive salary intake.

If you have some other short term salary to unload, that plus Poole for Grant is fine.
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Post#1350 » by NYPiston » Mon Mar 28, 2022 1:03 pm

I don't know if it was touched on in this thread but I saw that James Edwards III was bringing up that Grant to Portland connection again saying that the Pistons will have more urgency to trade Grant in the summer mentioning the lottery pick (I guess the Pelicans one if they lose the play in) would be the "sweetener", not sure what return it was sweetening.

The more I think about it, the more I think it makes sense to trade him. I know there was a bit of a look of a watered down "Big 3" with Cade, Bey and Grant for about a 10 game stretch or so but I'm not sure where the long term fit is with Grant especially at the salary he'll command. If they can get a lottery pick+ and free up the $20m cap space to fill a bigger need (like say, Mitchell Robinson or Brunson while also being able to keep Bagley), I think it makes them better long term.
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Re: Jerami Grant receiving a lot of trade interest- (Jake Fisher) 

Post#1351 » by Cowology » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:45 pm

This wiretap article is making my head explode.

Portland tried to trade for Grant at the trade deadline, but Detroit wanted more than Josh Hart and draft considerations for Grant at the time. It's expected that that the Trail Blazers and Pistons will re-engage on trade talks this offseason.


In fairness, that was before Hart exploded. I know quite a few of you don't like Hart, but in his 13 games with POR...

19.9 ppg
5.4 rpg
4.3 apg
.503 fg%
.373 3pt%
32.2 mpg

And he's solid defensively. I would be ecstatic if this was actually true and we re-engaged this offseason.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/266383/Portland-Tried-To-Trade-For-Jerami-Grant-At-Trade-Deadline
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Post#1352 » by Piston Pete » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:53 pm

Will be interesting to see what shakes out regarding Portland/Grant this offseason.
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Post#1353 » by Manocad » Mon Apr 4, 2022 3:57 pm

Cowology wrote:This wiretap article is making my head explode.

Portland tried to trade for Grant at the trade deadline, but Detroit wanted more than Josh Hart and draft considerations for Grant at the time. It's expected that that the Trail Blazers and Pistons will re-engage on trade talks this offseason.


In fairness, that was before Hart exploded. I know quite a few of you don't like Hart, but in his 13 games with POR...

19.9 ppg
5.4 rpg
4.3 apg
.503 fg%
.373 3pt%
32.2 mpg

And he's solid defensively. I would be ecstatic if this was actually true and we re-engaged this offseason.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/266383/Portland-Tried-To-Trade-For-Jerami-Grant-At-Trade-Deadline

Yeah, but who knows what those draft "considerations" were. Portland will likely have two first round picks this year according to the odds, so was the trade offer Josh Hart and one of those picks? Probably not both FRP's and maybe neither. Like you said, that was pre-explosion and maybe Weaver doesn't have much affinity for Hart so if that were the case and it was Hart and one FRP...I mean, most of us would probably say "Take it." But in an equal value perspective Weaver may have been thinking he can do better, especially considering Grant's expiring status after next season.
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Post#1354 » by vege » Mon Apr 4, 2022 4:59 pm

So what we know so far is, we refused THT lakers 1st and we refused Hart and likely NOP 1st. Good, Grant should be worth more than a meh player and the next Greg Monroe.
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Post#1355 » by FloridaMan78 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:48 pm

vege wrote:So what we know so far is, we refused THT lakers 1st and we refused Hart and likely NOP 1st. Good, Grant should be worth more than a meh player and the next Greg Monroe.

I really hope that’s not the case. Hart and a good lottery pick is plenty value. We’ll probably never know but I’m thinking Portland didn’t want to give up either of their lottery picks this year and maybe they offered up a future 1st.

I just hope Weaver isn’t overvaluing Grant and just passes on a trade. I like Hart, I just don’t think he’s worth Grant straight up.
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Post#1356 » by Snakebites » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:56 pm

I wouldn’t make any assumptions about what “draft considerations” means in that potential deal.

It’s possible Hart was the centerpiece and that they are hoping for a bigger fish with the NOP pick as leverage.
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Post#1357 » by Cowology » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:57 pm

Yeah, this is obviously total conjecture but it would make sense if they were offering a future protected pick or some crap like that. Hell, it coulda been a pair of heavily protected 2nd rounders. *shrug*

Regardless, every new report gives me renewed hope that we might still find a deal in the off-season. :pray:
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Post#1358 » by Snakebites » Mon Apr 4, 2022 5:58 pm

Cowology wrote:Yeah, this is obviously total conjecture but it would make sense if they were offering a future protected pick or some crap like that. Hell, it coulda been a pair of 2nd rounders. *shrug*

Regardless, every new report gives me renewed hope that we might still find a deal in the off-season. :pray:

The wording sure made it sound like Hart was the main thing we were offered, but I wouldn’t make the assumption that way either. We don’t know and may never.

I do wonder how the asking price may change in the offseason with another half year gone. Likely makes no difference to Portland but it could alter the market in general, reducing the price we can get.
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Post#1359 » by vege » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:11 pm

So you guys think Portland really wanted Grant, and their offer was a fraction of what they got from CJ? Not even the main piece they got from him, but the left overs? Ok.
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Post#1360 » by Invictus88 » Mon Apr 4, 2022 6:17 pm

I think it could be as simple as Weaver not wanting to agree to something like Hart + the NOP 1st before knowing where the NOP pick was going to fall.

This is a deal that could still happen after the ping pong balls are drawn (possibly even waiting until draft day).

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