Robert Williams, aka "Timelord"

Red2 · Post #261 » by **Red2** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:48 pm

Glad to be wrong about the ACL but it’s still bad news

Gomes3PC · Post #262 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:48 pm

jfs1000d wrote:
Saint Lazarus wrote:2nd round exit

Meh. He makes us a lot better, but I do t think he lowers the ,ceiling. Theis can fill in and be 80% of rob. Horford plays more 5 with grant playing more. Sucks.

Kornet gotta dust off the cobwebs.

80% of anyone in the playoffs is a HUGE downgrade. You're only as strong as your weakest link, especially on D, and Theis is gonna get picked on mercilessly against top lineups.

Do I think we can beat someone like Charlotte or Atlanta without Rob, or even Toronto / Cleveland / Chicago? For sure.

Do I think we can beat the Nets, Bucks, Heat or Sixers without him? No way.

Slax · Post #263 » by **Slax** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:49 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:Well even if he never plays another game this year, he still would have played exactly the same amount of games he got in his first 2 seasons.

We know injury concerns is one of the reasons he fell to the late first.

Just kind of sucks that IF this was going to happen it would have been better to happen half way through the season when we were in 11th place and we could have tanked our way to a decent pick in this year's draft.

Now we're just locked in (I mean we were as soon as we traded the pick) and flying half mast.

We were beating the odds all year on Rob Williams being a full time player, can't be upset about it.

Except this was a freak bad luck injury, not a recurrence of one of his chronic injuries. Which frankly is more optimistic for his long term career outlook, but on the other hand, it's REALLY **** luck that it happened right before the playoffs.

zoyathedestroya · Post #264 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:49 pm

**** me. How long is recovery for meniscus tear?

PierceFan4ever · Post #265 » by **PierceFan4ever** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:50 pm

I was confident in the Celtics matching up with either the Sixers or the bucks mainly because of Rob and then you have al and grant waiting. **** blows we lose arguably our best defender

Scoonie · Post #266 » by **Scoonie** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:52 pm

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Gomes3PC · Post #268 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:53 pm

zoyathedestroya wrote:**** me. How long is recovery for meniscus tear?

4-6 weeks.

To get granular, the actual playoffs don't start until April 16th (play in games are 12th to 15th).

First round goes 2 weeks, until May 2nd/3rd per the league schedule. So if he's got a less severe tear, heals quickly, and the Cs can get through the 1st round, it's possible he can come back for the start of the 2nd round.

The biggest thing about a meniscus tear is the pain. You can actually play through it if you manage swelling and pain, but it is a MFer. That's why a lot of vets decide to trim or remove it entirely.

Knowing it's the playoffs, I'd bet on Rob trying to gut through it sooner than a typical timetable, but I would not expect him in Rd 1.

GoCeltics123 · Post #269 » by **GoCeltics123** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:53 pm

Season's over. This franchise is cursed

Triple7 · Post #270 » by **Triple7** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:54 pm

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Gomes3PC · Post #271 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:55 pm

PierceFan4ever wrote:I was confident in the Celtics matching up with either the Sixers or the bucks mainly because of Rob and then you have al and grant waiting. **** blows we lose arguably our best defender

There's still possibility that they can get there. Frankly this is only more motivation to try to win the #1 seed. Definitely possible Rob is back for Rd 2, though that's certainly the optimistic end of any timeline.

zoyathedestroya · Post #272 » by **zoyathedestroya** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:55 pm

This is one cruel cosmic running joke being played on the Celtics for a long time now.

celticfan42487 · Post #273 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:55 pm

Slax wrote:
celticfan42487 wrote:Well even if he never plays another game this year, he still would have played exactly the same amount of games he got in his first 2 seasons.

We know injury concerns is one of the reasons he fell to the late first.

Just kind of sucks that IF this was going to happen it would have been better to happen half way through the season when we were in 11th place and we could have tanked our way to a decent pick in this year's draft.

Now we're just locked in (I mean we were as soon as we traded the pick) and flying half mast.

We were beating the odds all year on Rob Williams being a full time player, can't be upset about it.

Except this was a freak bad luck injury, not a recurrence of one of his chronic injuries. Which frankly is more optimistic for his long term career outlook, but on the other hand, it's REALLY **** luck that it happened right before the playoffs.

Well I don't know the true likelihood but it isn't shocking someone's that injury prone and has chronic injury gets a new one.

For some players it's like a great car that got in one accident, and despite how minor it was suddenly 6 months down the road the strain of no longer being perfectly aling will lead to repair bill after repair bill after repair bill.

I still think getting 60 games out of Rob playing as a STARTER the way he was and one of the most explosive players in the league was a massive win for the season. Looking at the best we could have hoped for realistically this was still a major win on our side. Hopefully we can get 60+ games out of him consistently going forward.

Jaqua92 · Post #274 » by **Jaqua92** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:57 pm

There goes the season.

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grindtime22 · Post #275 » by **grindtime22** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:58 pm

Jarren Jackson and James Wiseman don't give me much hope for Timelord coming back this season.

celticfan42487 · Post #276 » by **celticfan42487** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 3:58 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:**** me. How long is recovery for meniscus tear?

4-6 weeks.

To get granular, the actual playoffs don't start until April 16th (play in games are 12th to 15th).

First round goes 2 weeks, until May 2nd/3rd per the league schedule. So if he's got a less severe tear, heals quickly, and the Cs can get through the 1st round, it's possible he can come back for the start of the 2nd round.

The biggest thing about a meniscus tear is the pain. You can actually play through it if you manage swelling and pain, but it is a MFer. That's why a lot of vets decide to trim or remove it entirely.

Knowing it's the playoffs, I'd bet on Rob trying to gut through it sooner than a typical timetable, but I would not expect him in Rd 1.

Oh this is way better than what the initial fear was for a timeline!!!

For Rob I assume they'll manage it with a repair so it will be a pain tolerance thing.

I don't want him pushing himself too hard and then due to favoring that knee end up pushing off wrong and hurting the other one, but assuming we don't play the Nets in round 1 I feel pretty confident we can still be just fine.

Pritchard
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Can handle anything non Netty in round 1. And if we get lucky and can get away without him in round 2 then maybe he could actually be like 90% back for the ECF.

But I suspect the 2nd round will be against real teams that we'd need him for to win.

Gomes3PC · Post #277 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:03 pm

celticfan42487 wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
zoyathedestroya wrote:**** me. How long is recovery for meniscus tear?

4-6 weeks.

To get granular, the actual playoffs don't start until April 16th (play in games are 12th to 15th).

First round goes 2 weeks, until May 2nd/3rd per the league schedule. So if he's got a less severe tear, heals quickly, and the Cs can get through the 1st round, it's possible he can come back for the start of the 2nd round.

The biggest thing about a meniscus tear is the pain. You can actually play through it if you manage swelling and pain, but it is a MFer. That's why a lot of vets decide to trim or remove it entirely.

Knowing it's the playoffs, I'd bet on Rob trying to gut through it sooner than a typical timetable, but I would not expect him in Rd 1.

Oh this is way better than what the initial fear was for a timeline!!!

For Rob I assume they'll manage it with a repair so it will be a pain tolerance thing.

I don't want him pushing himself too hard and then due to favoring that knee end up pushing off wrong and hurting the other one, but assuming we don't play the Nets in round 1 I feel pretty confident we can still be just fine.

Pritchard
Smart
Brown
Tatum
Horford

Can handle anything non Netty in round 1. And if we get lucky and can get away without him in round 2 then maybe he could actually be like 90% back for the ECF.

But I suspect the 2nd round will be against real teams that we'd need him for to win.

Look - I am not a doctor. Meniscus tears are tricky. He could be like Wiseman or JJJ in Memphis - both those guys missed the better part of a season with meniscus injuries. If it's bad and they're erring on caution, we may not see him til next fall. Don't want to get hopes up - if it's mild though and he's willing/able to manage the pain, he could be back a lot sooner.

Triple7 · Post #278 » by **Triple7** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:03 pm

Gomes3PC wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:I was confident in the Celtics matching up with either the Sixers or the bucks mainly because of Rob and then you have al and grant waiting. **** blows we lose arguably our best defender

There's still possibility that they can get there. Frankly this is only more motivation to try to win the #1 seed. Definitely possible Rob is back for Rd 2, though that's certainly the optimistic end of any timeline.

That’s wishful thinking. Rob doesn’t play with even some minor aches and pains. Probably towards the end of the conf finals, if lucky. Then you don’t know how effective he can be being out that long. We need to get some bigs that can help guard or at least body up the likes of embiid and giannis.

Gomes3PC · Post #279 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:04 pm

grindtime22 wrote:Jarren Jackson and James Wiseman don't give me much hope for Timelord coming back this season.

Yeah look this is the flip side. Nobody here has a clue, and those other two young bigs really took time to come back because they did not want to risk anything long-term with them. For Rob's sake I hope they don't send him out there if he's not 100% OK with the plan long-term.

Gomes3PC · Post #280 » by **Gomes3PC** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 4:05 pm

Triple7 wrote:
Gomes3PC wrote:
PierceFan4ever wrote:I was confident in the Celtics matching up with either the Sixers or the bucks mainly because of Rob and then you have al and grant waiting. **** blows we lose arguably our best defender

There's still possibility that they can get there. Frankly this is only more motivation to try to win the #1 seed. Definitely possible Rob is back for Rd 2, though that's certainly the optimistic end of any timeline.

That’s wishful thinking. Rob doesn’t play with even some minor aches and pains. Probably towards the end of the conf finals, if lucky. Then you don’t know how effective he can be being out that long. We need to get some bigs that can help guard or at least body up the likes of embiid and giannis.

Of course - like I said that is the optimist end. The pessimist end is he's on crutches all summer and he is ready for training camp.