Miami Heat Regular Season Thread 21-22 Vol. 4

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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There’s definitely a correlation here.

[AirP.]

Ever since he returned from a wrist injury in Philly, his 3PT % has been awful.

While that is irrefutable, the weird thing is that he's not a terrible mid-range shooter.

With that said, the biggest thing with Jimmy, IMO, is that he doesn't take care of his body.

Pure speculation, but did that wrist injury require surgery and he put it off?

What's not speculation is how he doesn't tape up his ankles or wear an ankle brace despite all the ankle injuries he's suffered.

Doesn't take care of his body? Since early in his NBA career he's taken care of his body but there are some parts of your body you can't really do much for, the wrists, the ankles, knee, sure you can strengthen those areas but the rough style Butler plays, he's going to end up tweaking his ankle, knee, wrist... This is where him working on his 3 ball comes back into play to limit the amount of times he could tweak his ankle by taking an open catch and shoot shot instead of a head fake and then driving into the lane while looking for contact. What makes Butler good also makes Butler more susceptible to injuries.

If Butler had a wrist injury that has caused him issues and require surgery to fix he would have gotten it done by now. Also, with how much money Miami is paying him, they would have had him do any surgery to "fix" a potential issue.

I can promise you he needed wrist surgery and didn’t get it done.

I know he's had issues with his wrist but usually there's an option to get surgery or rehab a wrist. It seems very illogical that an organization would extend a player at a the max who needed a surgery and refused to get it. Seems like a huge risk with an owner's wallet.

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There’s definitely a correlation here.

Oh, that's what you're basing it on? He's also had a lot of ankle issues in that time too.

Butler's 2nd year he worked hard to become a 3&D player, he got his 3pt% up to 38%, first 10 games of his 3d season he was still shooting that well and then he got turf toe where he couldn't work on his shot without pain and his shooting dropped like a rock. I suspect Butler's lack of being a decent shooter from long range is more to do with the lack of working on it because of how often he has injuries, specifically with the ankles. He's shoots FTs at a great rate, one would think that would translate to a decent 3pt shot but those shots aren't the same, one requires more use of the ankles then the other.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

Ankles have really only been an issue this year though right? Plus he works out all the time, he must be working on the wrong stuff

[3ammy3uck3ts]

The Heat “insiders” have also hinted at him needing surgery

[somerandomdude]

Jimmy is pissing me off lately too. Him and his trainer are always bragging about being up at 4 in the gym. Wtf are you working on because it for damn sure isn’t his jumper?! This guy came to Miami and had the best seasons of his career while also forgetting how tf to shoot. Like how does that happen?

Ever since he returned from a wrist injury in Philly, his 3PT % has been awful.

While that is irrefutable, the weird thing is that he's not a terrible mid-range shooter.

With that said, the biggest thing with Jimmy, IMO, is that he doesn't take care of his body.

Pure speculation, but did that wrist injury require surgery and he put it off?

What's not speculation is how he doesn't tape up his ankles or wear an ankle brace despite all the ankle injuries he's suffered.

Doesn't take care of his body? Since early in his NBA career he's taken care of his body but there are some parts of your body you can't really do much for, the wrists, the ankles, knee, sure you can strengthen those areas but the rough style Butler plays, he's going to end up tweaking his ankle, knee, wrist... This is where him working on his 3 ball comes back into play to limit the amount of times he could tweak his ankle by taking an open catch and shoot shot instead of a head fake and then driving into the lane while looking for contact. What makes Butler good also makes Butler more susceptible to injuries.

If Butler had a wrist injury that has caused him issues and require surgery to fix he would have gotten it done by now. Also, with how much money Miami is paying him, they would have had him do any surgery to "fix" a potential issue. It seems like a reckless use of money to hand Butler that extension without having him fix a problematic wrist.

To be clear, I'm only talking about how he doesn't tape/brace his ankles and made sure to say that it's speculation on whether he needed surgery on the wrist.

Obviously, he keeps himself in great physical condition and I don't question that.

As far as the Miami Heat goes, if they allowed him to continue to play without taping his ankles or whatever, especially after giving him that extension, then I think it's fair to say they don't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

[AirP.]

The Heat “insiders” have also hinted at him needing surgery

That could be opinion also because they utilize that stat you used also.

There are issues that a person can opt into surgery or rehab to fix, I don't know why Butler would elect a lesser time out all the way up to 2022 when in Minnesota he could have went with a shorter time table with his meniscus by shaving it but instead went with the surgery to repair it and was out a longer time out although back for the playoffs. I don't get why since Philly he wouldn't get a surgery outsiders that outsiders who haven't seen his medical records say he needs.

[AirP.]

Ankles have really only been an issue this year though right? Plus he works out all the time, he must be working on the wrong stuff

Nope, he's been having ankle injuries, for instance game 1 of the finals.

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During the season of 2020 he hurt his ankle in a Clipper game.

Butler was injured in the fourth quarter while guarding Clippers All-Star Kawhi Leonard. He did not return to the game.

"We'll have to re-evaluate it," Heat coach Erik Spoelstra said. "I don't even like commenting after sprained ankles. You have to wait til the next day to see how the guy feels. He's getting treatment already and we'll go from there."

https://www.si.com/nba/heat/miami-news/miami-heat-jimmy-butler-ankle-injury

Philadelphia 76ers guard Jimmy Butler was diagnosed with a sprained left ankle after he came up gimpy in the fourth quarter of Friday's 121-112 loss to the Cleveland Cavaliers at Wells Fargo Center.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2762522-jimmy-butler-to-be-re-evaluated-after-ankle-injury-diagnosed-as-sprain

Now what is Butler's issue is that he doesn't tape his ankles like he could because of a feeling of restriction, that's on him. At this point Butler needs to do whatever he can to keep his ankles safe even if it's learning to play with heavily wrapped ankles to restrict movement.

[somerandomdude]

https://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-heat/fl-sp-miami-heat-notebook-monday-20220328-wi6xn5ud4rbwtgv6445equwypu-story.html

“When you have a smaller [rotation], it’s easier, like these are the five guys, these are the seven guys you can get the job done with, and go from there,” he said. “But when you’ve got one through 15, that’s when I feel like it gets a little tricky.”

Disagree with Bam. We've played 1-13 most of the year (probably more with all the G-Leaguers we signed).

But if he's blaming it on Dipo and Keef specifically, then I can see what he's saying, but only so far.

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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[Heat_Down_Under]

OREON other thread got locked..noone said yurts going to be the next Shaq. When he’s putting up numbers like him with a group of gabe and Herro and we were winning games, you let him play. Even off the bench. Don’t just banish the guy. Like I said 29 years no centre(and there’s been a lot and top picks) has achieved it. Laugh all you want. But yet we still play Dedmon over a guy that achieved that stat.Most will agree with me we were enjoyable to watch while playing traditional with no bam and butler..

[3ammy3uck3ts]

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I did not mean to post this lol!

[al bondiga]

Don't worry guys we have a flying team for the playoffs , maybe top five , because I'm of the opinion that spo is going to yurt as a surprise

Jimmy's value to this team is not his shooting... no worries there ...although not taping his ankles before I gained is an incredibly dumb move ( if their trainer is fearing muscle under development or atrophy for a couple of hours of stress work, he is sadly mistaken)

Let's go Miami Heat!

[somerandomdude]

OREON other thread got locked..noone said yurts going to be the next Shaq. When he’s putting up numbers like him with a group of gabe and Herro and we were winning games, you let him play. Even off the bench. Don’t just banish the guy. Like I said 29 years no centre(and there’s been a lot and top picks) has achieved it. Laugh all you want. But yet we still play Dedmon over a guy that achieved that stat.Most will agree with me we were enjoyable to watch while playing traditional with no bam and butler..

Did he really say that we think he was gonna be the next Shaq?

[Heat_Down_Under]

OREON other thread got locked..noone said yurts going to be the next Shaq. When he’s putting up numbers like him with a group of gabe and Herro and we were winning games, you let him play. Even off the bench. Don’t just banish the guy. Like I said 29 years no centre(and there’s been a lot and top picks) has achieved it. Laugh all you want. But yet we still play Dedmon over a guy that achieved that stat.Most will agree with me we were enjoyable to watch while playing traditional with no bam and butler..

Did he really say that we think he was gonna be the next Shaq?

Nah but this was his reply to me saying yurt got stats in winning games seen only by Shaq since 93..

“Shaq and Yurt in the same sentence. Shaq the most unstoppable player in NBA history. And Yurt. Lol”

[oreon]

OREON other thread got locked..noone said yurts going to be the next Shaq. When he’s putting up numbers like him with a group of gabe and Herro and we were winning games, you let him play. Even off the bench. Don’t just banish the guy. Like I said 29 years no centre(and there’s been a lot and top picks) has achieved it. Laugh all you want. But yet we still play Dedmon over a guy that achieved that stat.Most will agree with me we were enjoyable to watch while playing traditional with no bam and butler..

That stretch was a mirage. In Dec and Jan we attempted more 3s than usual and hit more 3s than usual. Guys like Caleb, Struss, Gabe, Guy were shooting lights out. That insane shooting compensated for the loss of Butler and Bam. However that was not sustainable. Gabe, Caleb and even Struss have all come down back to earth. Not saying Yurt didn't play well. He did, but a lot of role players were hot at the same time.
The reason Yurt isn't playing cuz Spo doesn't trust him defensively. He tried Bam and Yurt together and it didn't work. Yurt isn't an elite rim protector. And he gets lost defensively. In the playoffs he will get exposed. Rudy Gobert a DPOY got exposed, so what chance does Yurt have. And I think we can all agree that he can't start with Bam. So essentially we arguing over 12 - 15 mins of the backup big position. Those minutes won't be the difference between a 1st round exit and a ECF finals appearance.
Currently the advantage Yurt brings is better rebounding and some pick & roll buckets with adequate spacing. But all that offset with his poor defense, which will be highlighted more in the playoffs.
You can argue we should play big but the answer to playing big ain't on this roster. You need a big who can shoot, is defensively solid and is an elite rim protector to justify playing drop defense. Someone like Mylers Turner.
Maybe Yurt can grow to be that player, but its not happening this season or in the playoffs.

[Heat_Down_Under]

OREON other thread got locked..noone said yurts going to be the next Shaq. When he’s putting up numbers like him with a group of gabe and Herro and we were winning games, you let him play. Even off the bench. Don’t just banish the guy. Like I said 29 years no centre(and there’s been a lot and top picks) has achieved it. Laugh all you want. But yet we still play Dedmon over a guy that achieved that stat.Most will agree with me we were enjoyable to watch while playing traditional with no bam and butler..

That stretch was a mirage. In Dec and Jan we attempted more 3s than usual and hit more 3s than usual. Guys like Caleb, Struss, Gabe, Guy were shooting lights out. That insane shooting compensated for the loss of Butler and Bam. However that was not sustainable. Gabe, Caleb and even Struss have all come down back to earth. Not saying Yurt didn't play well. He did, but a lot of role players were hot at the same time.
The reason Yurt isn't playing cuz Spo doesn't trust him defensively. He tried Bam and Yurt together and it didn't work. Yurt isn't an elite rim protector. And he gets lost defensively. In the playoffs he will get exposed. Rudy Gobert a DPOY got exposed, so what chance does Yurt have. And I think we can all agree that he can't start with Bam. So essentially we arguing over 12 - 15 mins of the backup big position. Those minutes won't be the difference between a 1st round exit and a ECF finals appearance.
Currently the advantage Yurt brings is better rebounding and some pick & roll buckets with adequate spacing. But all that offset with his poor defense, which will be highlighted more in the playoffs.
You can argue we should play big but the answer to playing big ain't on this roster. You need a big who can shoot, is defensively solid and is an elite rim protector to justify playing drop defense. Someone like Mylers Turner.
Maybe Yurt can grow to be that player, but its not happening this season or in the playoffs.

So basically we fluked all those games with bam and butler out.. Dedmon offers way more than what yurt does… the back up big position minutes isn’t going to make a difference in the play offs… small ball is still our answer for this season… did I miss anything from what you said?

[TroubleS0me]

we are ranked #1 in three point % percentage in the league!

[harlem_ball]

OREON other thread got locked..noone said yurts going to be the next Shaq. When he’s putting up numbers like him with a group of gabe and Herro and we were winning games, you let him play. Even off the bench. Don’t just banish the guy. Like I said 29 years no centre(and there’s been a lot and top picks) has achieved it. Laugh all you want. But yet we still play Dedmon over a guy that achieved that stat.Most will agree with me we were enjoyable to watch while playing traditional with no bam and butler..

That stretch was a mirage. In Dec and Jan we attempted more 3s than usual and hit more 3s than usual. Guys like Caleb, Struss, Gabe, Guy were shooting lights out. That insane shooting compensated for the loss of Butler and Bam. However that was not sustainable. Gabe, Caleb and even Struss have all come down back to earth. Not saying Yurt didn't play well. He did, but a lot of role players were hot at the same time.
The reason Yurt isn't playing cuz Spo doesn't trust him defensively. He tried Bam and Yurt together and it didn't work. Yurt isn't an elite rim protector. And he gets lost defensively. In the playoffs he will get exposed. Rudy Gobert a DPOY got exposed, so what chance does Yurt have. And I think we can all agree that he can't start with Bam. So essentially we arguing over 12 - 15 mins of the backup big position. Those minutes won't be the difference between a 1st round exit and a ECF finals appearance.
Currently the advantage Yurt brings is better rebounding and some pick & roll buckets with adequate spacing. But all that offset with his poor defense, which will be highlighted more in the playoffs.
You can argue we should play big but the answer to playing big ain't on this roster. You need a big who can shoot, is defensively solid and is an elite rim protector to justify playing drop defense. Someone like Mylers Turner.
Maybe Yurt can grow to be that player, but its not happening this season or in the playoffs.

Pedantic horse manure. You need height and easy buckets from putbacks. No one else supplies it.