Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

Dalek · Post #1761 » by **Dalek** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:25 pm

“No other rookie impacts winning as much as Evan Mobley has in Cleveland, and he’s done it on both ends of the floor,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype’s Michael Scotto. “If you consider where the Cavaliers were a year ago compared to this season, you see why he is touted to be the best player in this draft class and why the Cavaliers have made such a huge leap this season. At 7-feet tall, he has all the tools to become a generational talent. Combine his statistical season and Cleveland’s run into the postseason, there is no doubt he should be named NBA Rookie of the Year.”

This what the same article wrote about Scottie:
“The Raptors as a team have been battling injuries and lineup uncertainty all year long, but Scottie Barnes has been one of the few constants for them and a major reason why they remain in the thick of the playoff race,” an NBA executive told HoopsHype’s Michael Scotto. “He’s the only rookie this season to rank in the Top 5 in every major statistical category, and he’s doing so with a combination of averages that put him among an elite class of rookies all-time, the most recent being Luka Doncic. But stats aside, if impacting team success on the court is taken into account for the Rookie of the Year award like it is MVP and All-Star honors, Barnes has been the most impactful rookie in the NBA this year from start to finish.”

https://hoopshype.com/lists/nba-ranking-12-likeliest-players-major-awards-tyler-herro-sixth-man-gobert-draymond-dpoy/

I think a lot of the voters for the ROY will look at this way - Cleveland was not considered a good team coming in and surpassed expectations and that is because Evan Mobley was a major factor. Toronto had a down year last year, but they have vets like Siakam, OG, FVV that all make this an on paper better team than Cleveland. It almost penalizes Scottie because we have so much talent around him, even if they have all missed time. Plus, Mobley is on an American team and I think there is some bias there if it comes to a 50-50 pick for ROY.

If I am being honest it should be a shared award this year between Barnes and Mobley with Cade coming in a close second. But likely, they go with the big man because they no could see Cleveland being this good.

Los Manos · Post #1762 » by **Los Manos** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 5:55 pm

Some media are taking a closer look. Bill Simmons on his latest podcast today says he thinks he’s voting Barnes for ROY.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1763 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:14 pm

Read on Twitter

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He really is magic

HumbleRen · Post #1764 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:16 pm

If he can average 17-8-3 for the rest of the season, I think he wins it. Any less and I think Cade might sneak in and steal it.

WuTang_CMB · Post #1765 » by **WuTang_CMB** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:18 pm

Scottie will get shafted even though he deserves it

voters r too lazy to dig in the stats and will just follow narrative that mobley is roy

LoveMyRaps · Post #1766 » by **LoveMyRaps** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:22 pm

Los Manos wrote:Some media are taking a closer look. Bill Simmons on his latest podcast today says he thinks he’s voting Barnes for ROY.

Good. Mobley been getting exposed in recent games (which happens to be the most important stretch of the season). Cavs struggling mightily.

Madhouse · Post #1767 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:28 pm

His assists numbers have been picking up lately.
4.3 in last 15 and 5.3 in last 8.

He could have averaged 5 APG on a different team with high usage.

positivetension · Post #1768 » by **positivetension** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:30 pm

LoveMyRaps wrote:
Los Manos wrote:Some media are taking a closer look. Bill Simmons on his latest podcast today says he thinks he’s voting Barnes for ROY.

Good. Mobley been getting exposed in recent games (which happens to be the most important stretch of the season). Cavs struggling mightily.

I don't even think Mobley is getting exposed unless you have unrealistic expectations for how he should be playing. Barnes keeps elevating and separating himself but whether people choose to acknowledge it is TBD.

HumbleRen · Post #1769 » by **HumbleRen** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:31 pm

Madhouse wrote:His assists numbers have been picking up lately.
4.3 in last 15 and 5.3 in last 8.

He could have averaged 5 APG on a different team with high usage.

Has the lowest usage out of the top 6 players. Ranked 43rd out of the rookies when they touch the floor.

Madhouse · Post #1770 » by **Madhouse** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:32 pm

positivetension wrote:
LoveMyRaps wrote:
Los Manos wrote:Some media are taking a closer look. Bill Simmons on his latest podcast today says he thinks he’s voting Barnes for ROY.

Good. Mobley been getting exposed in recent games (which happens to be the most important stretch of the season). Cavs struggling mightily.

I don't even think Mobley is getting exposed unless you have unrealistic expectations for how he should be playing. Barnes keeps elevating and separating himself but whether people choose to acknowledge it is TBD.

Exposed is based on the rookie playing DPOY defense talk. If Allen did not get hurt, we would have never heard that.

alienchild · Post #1771 » by **alienchild** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:18 pm

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Post #1772 » by **niQ** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:30 pm

WuTang_OG wrote:

Read on Twitter
?s=21

He really is magic

6'9 point guard with the no-look passes, hook shots, positional versatility, 1000W Smile... Checks out. :thumbsup:

Tha Cynic · Post #1773 » by **Tha Cynic** » Mon Mar 28, 2022 9:32 pm

AbC? wrote:

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

It's honestly insane that this kind of stuff just looks ordinary for him. There was genuine concern he would EVER reach this level of offense and it's already to the point where it's cool but nothing surprising. The gap between him and Mobley offensively is much bigger than any gap between them defensively.

It's good to see the mid range coming back slowly for Barnes. He has really struggled with that since the turn of the new year, but he has now hit that exact shot against the Pacers and Lakers. You can tell he has been working on it based on how exact the play looked in both games.

The pass to Brooks, you can see he decided to draw Brooks' defender the moment he passed the half-court line. He knew exactly what he was doing way before the actual pass came. You can't teach that stuff.

Also at this stage Barnes is the clear best rookie in the NBA. He has passed Mobley pretty significantly at this point. But, he probably won't win. The voters gave Mobley the award in the first couple of months of the season.

HumbleRen · Post #1774 » by **HumbleRen** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:24 am

Scottie is not a 5.

HKBOY · Post #1775 » by **HKBOY** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:37 am

HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not a 5.

The starting lineup of Siakam/Barnes/OG/Trent/FVV is unbalanced. We need a low usage C like Birch or a 3&D C like Precious in the starting lineup. Barnes and Pascal are not C. Trent can be the 6th man and bolster our bench scoring.

pingpongrac · Post #1776 » by **pingpongrac** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:56 am

HKBOY wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not a 5.

The starting lineup of Siakam/Barnes/OG/Trent/FVV is unbalanced. We need a low usage C like Birch or a 3&D C like Precious in the starting lineup. Barnes and Pascal are not C. Trent can be the 6th man and bolster our bench scoring.

The starting lineup is fine. They have been outscored by a total of 11 points over ~300 minutes and that is with a large chunk of those minutes coming in games where we weren't really healthy; 50 minutes came in the first week after Siakam returned from shoulder surgery while another 50 minutes came early in January when Scottie was dealing with knee tendinitis and after GTJ was sidelined with the ankle injury -- plus the ~10 minutes tonight with our backcourt hobbled. On top of that, there were a few random games against weak teams that tank the numbers; they were -16 in 10 minutes vs NOP, -11 in 11 minutes vs BOS (tonight), -10 in 12 minutes vs UTA (Jazz resting players) and -9 in 17 minutes vs WAS. They have generally performed well against good teams.

Sending either Scottie or GTJ to the bench and starting Achiuwa or Birch in their place for ~6 minutes does nothing but send a bad message to one of our top 5 players that have started every game they have been available for so far except opening night (GTJ came off the bench). I'm all for giving Achiuwa more opportunities with the starters, but not at the cost of Scottie/GTJ going to the bench so we can have a more traditional C.

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Madhouse · Post #1777 » by **Madhouse** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 9:34 am

HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not a 5.

No starter is.

Ultimately what’s going to happen is that Precious will start. Either at the start of next season or the season after.

Still not a fan of that lineup. It feels like it’s digging us holes every time and the Precious-Boucher lineup gets us out it.

Still think there will be an effort for a big trade this offseason.

HumbleRen · Post #1778 » by **HumbleRen** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:26 pm

Madhouse wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not a 5.

No starter is.

Ultimately what’s going to happen is that Precious will start. Either at the start of next season or the season after.

Still not a fan of that lineup. It feels like it’s digging us holes every time and the Precious-Boucher lineup gets us out it.

Still think there will be an effort for a big trade this offseason.

Don't like it at all, as soon as every team knows its open season at the rim, we can't do nothing about it.

I never want to see Siakam/Barnes at the 5 unless its in short spurts.

Fairview4Life · Post #1779 » by **Fairview4Life** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:36 pm

HumbleRen wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:Scottie is not a 5.

No starter is.

Ultimately what’s going to happen is that Precious will start. Either at the start of next season or the season after.

Still not a fan of that lineup. It feels like it’s digging us holes every time and the Precious-Boucher lineup gets us out it.

Still think there will be an effort for a big trade this offseason.

Don't like it at all, as soon as every team knows its open season at the rim, we can't do nothing about it.

I never want to see Siakam/Barnes at the 5 unless its in short spurts.

Precious is a very good rim protector.

HumbleRen · Post #1780 » by **HumbleRen** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:40 pm

Fairview4Life wrote:
HumbleRen wrote:
Madhouse wrote:
No starter is.

Ultimately what’s going to happen is that Precious will start. Either at the start of next season or the season after.

Still not a fan of that lineup. It feels like it’s digging us holes every time and the Precious-Boucher lineup gets us out it.

Still think there will be an effort for a big trade this offseason.

Don't like it at all, as soon as every team knows its open season at the rim, we can't do nothing about it.

I never want to see Siakam/Barnes at the 5 unless its in short spurts.

Precious is a very good rim protector.

Yeah, hopefully he works on his hands around the rim and his touch so he can become our starting 5 next year.