Kansas vs North Carolina championship - Monday night 9:20pm ET, TBS

[RookieStar]

Awkward, no?

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TBF, it was already known by most ncaa teams message boards that he had another job lined up already.

I mean, a lot were wondering if they could poach him from SPU but seems that he already decided before the cinderella run.

[RookieStar]

People hate what’s called the “blue bloods” which encompasses teams like Duke, Kansas, UNC and a few others. Duke is hated because of Coach K (people find him annoying) and because historically they have a bunch of white guys IE Laettner which got under peoples skin.

Duke is probably the most hated team in the country by a long shot.

So basically they are hated because they are successful? Is that right?

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

OOOoorrrr... as i said in my previous post, to those like me who aren't from the states and started watching ncaa before the age of internet streaming, its because Duke games were the ones being shown a lot by espn. I mean, we watched whats was free on t.v. DIdnt have extra cash to pay for "extras" in cable companies. Lol

Blame espn.

[XTC]

If there's one player who really upped his value it's Mark Williams.

Dude went from a mid/late first rounder, to a top 10 lock IMO.

[cornchip]

Feels like we’re headed towards a Duke - Kansas National Championship, in what would be the battle of the 2 most insufferable college fan bases ever

Why are Duke, Kansas (and Kentucky too, as I've read in this thread) so hated?

This is coming from someone who's not from the USA, so I don't know about the regional rivalries and such.

Kentucky fans are on a whole other level imo.

I'm an UNC fan since childhood and our fanbase has been criticized as "wine and cheese". It's almost the complete opposite of Kentucky fans.

[G R E Y]

Awkward, no?

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TBF, it was already known by most ncaa teams message boards that he had another job lined up already.

I mean, a lot were wondering if they could poach him from SPU but seems that he already decided before the cinderella run.

Oh I had no idea. I guess maybe since it was already out there they just rolled with it, though it still feels like the announcement ought to have been made at least the next day, not the one where they lost lol so harsh

[Invictus88]

So basically they are hated because they are successful? Is that right?

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

OOOoorrrr... as i said in my previous post, to those like me who aren't from the states and started watching ncaa before the age of internet streaming, its because Duke games were the ones being shown a lot by espn. I mean, we watched whats was free on t.v. DIdnt have extra cash to pay for "extras" in cable companies. Lol

Blame espn.

This is very true.

Dick Vitale would basically just drool all over himself every Saturday on the Duke basketball channel CBS which broadcast a handful of NCAA men's games that day (in which Duke was a guaranteed participant).

It didn't help that the stars of the team that Dickie V was gushing about were almost always spoiled brats (Danny Ferry, Jay Bilas, Christian Laettner, Bobby Hurley, Cherokee Parks, Chris Collins, Wojo, Battier, Jay Williams, Mike Dunleavy, Boozer, Duhon, Jon Scheyer, Austin Rivers, Grayson Allen) and you would hear about them incessantly.

As far as the TV thing the same thing could be said about Notre Dame football on NBC when they basically decided to become their private national broadcaster after the film Rudy came out. There was nothing better than the years that Notre Dame was terrible and NBC had locked itself in to broadcasting the awfulness nationally for an entire season .

[RookieStar]

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

OOOoorrrr... as i said in my previous post, to those like me who aren't from the states and started watching ncaa before the age of internet streaming, its because Duke games were the ones being shown a lot by espn. I mean, we watched whats was free on t.v. DIdnt have extra cash to pay for "extras" in cable companies. Lol

Blame espn.

This is very true.

Dick Vitale would basically just drool all over himself every Saturday on the Duke basketball channel CBS which broadcast a handful of NCAA men's games that day (in which Duke was a guaranteed participant).

It didn't help that the stars of the team that Dickie V was gushing about were almost always spoiled brats (Danny Ferry, Jay Bilas, Christian Laettner, Bobby Hurley, Cherokee Parks, Chris Collins, Wojo, Battier, Jay Williams, Mike Dunleavy, Boozer, Duhon, Jon Scheyer, Austin Rivers, Grayson Allen) and you would hear about them incessantly.

As far as the TV thing the same thing could be said about Notre Dame football on NBC when they basically decided to become their private national broadcaster after the film Rudy came out. There was nothing better than the years that Notre Dame was terrible and NBC had locked itself in to broadcasting the awfulness nationally for an entire season .

Yeah... I mean there were probably better stars in the league but to those like me, G.Paulus, J. Scheyer, . Nolan Smith, Landlord, JJ , etc were the fave of college ball... becauae thats who I see a lot. Lol

But I dont regret it. Wherever I am in the world, I try my best to catch up on Duke BB. I mean, I remember in 2010 when I was in Korea for work I was looking for internet connection just to watch Zoubek go against Hayward in the NC.lol

[RookieStar]

Awkward, no?

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TBF, it was already known by most ncaa teams message boards that he had another job lined up already.

I mean, a lot were wondering if they could poach him from SPU but seems that he already decided before the cinderella run.

Oh I had no idea. I guess maybe since it was already out there they just rolled with it, though it still feels like the announcement ought to have been made at least the next day, not the one where they lost lol so harsh

Thats fine... only those who follow ncaa teams read thoae rumours. You know how it is, up and coming coach from a "nowhere" achool... maybe willing to jump ship to a more "pedigree" and better recruiting program... then all of a sudden you find out you were beaten to the punch already.

Also, its not the coach but the player. TT's player after being beaten by Duke immediately put his name on the transfer portal. LoL. DOnt think they were even in the plane goinf home before that news came out.

[Duke4life831]

People hate what’s called the “blue bloods” which encompasses teams like Duke, Kansas, UNC and a few others. Duke is hated because of Coach K (people find him annoying) and because historically they have a bunch of white guys IE Laettner which got under peoples skin.

Duke is probably the most hated team in the country by a long shot.

So basically they are hated because they are successful? Is that right?

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

And? Can people from other countries not be fans of NBA teams even if they haven't stepped foot in that team's city, hell even stepped foot in the country before?

I grew up on the coast of California and never stepped foot in North Carolina. I can safely say the vast majority of people wont meet a bigger Duke die hard than myself. I started watching Duke during JJ Redick's freshman year. I was in middle school and on the basketball team. Not being the biggest guy and with Duke being on ESPN multiple times a week my dad saw a couple Duke games and told me to watch how JJ play and try to copy that.

And guess what Ive been a die hard Duke fan since. I didnt stop following them after JJ left and started watching again when they started to recruit OADs this past decade. Nope I kept watching them even during the Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts time.

I dont think where you live or when you started being a fan means anything. Its if youre still a fan even during the down times. And guess what even on down years Duke still has a bigger fanbase than 99% of college basketball teams.

[bwgood77]

question to ncaa experts

other than studying there, what exactly makes someone become a fan of a team like duke, NC state or UNC?

like do these teams have some specific identity from each other? or is more of a " i loved them that time in the final four so i became a fan" thingh?

I wouldn't include NC State in there (or maybe even NC), but I think this happens in all sports. Some fans just decide to become fans of the traditionally best teams. You had a lot of people jump on the Dallas Cowboys back in the day or the Lakers/Celtics, etc, or more recently the Patriots and Warriors..or they hook onto stars like they did MJ, Favre or Brady for whatever reason and decide to root for the people who have already won the most.

I'm usually kind of he opposite outside of the teams I have been a fan of since I was little or AZ where I went to school.

[bwgood77]

Who do you think takes the NIT? Texas A&M would seem the logical choice since they won or came close to winning their conference tourney and were hot, but St Bonaventure has knocked off some pretty big schools. Wash St has knocked off a 1 and a 2 seed and Xavier a 3 and a 4 seed.

Final Four matchups: Xavier vs St Bonaventure and Texas A&M vs Washington St.



https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-men/article/2022-03-24/2022-nit-bracket-printable-pdf-national-invitation-tournament

[bwgood77]

Feels like we’re headed towards a Duke - Kansas National Championship, in what would be the battle of the 2 most insufferable college fan bases ever

I think Kentucky is the worst.

[bwgood77]

Feels like we’re headed towards a Duke - Kansas National Championship, in what would be the battle of the 2 most insufferable college fan bases ever

Why are Duke, Kansas (and Kentucky too, as I've read in this thread) so hated?

This is coming from someone who's not from the USA, so I don't know about the regional rivalries and such.

People hate what’s called the “blue bloods” which encompasses teams like Duke, Kansas, UNC and a few others. Duke is hated because of Coach K (people find him annoying) and because historically they have a bunch of white guys IE Laettner which got under peoples skin.

Duke is probably the most hated team in the country by a long shot.

It's a combination of things, kind of like Bama in football. You have teams in college sports who get by far the best recruits every single year (particularly Duke and Kentucky, though not quite as much for them as of late) so they have a huge built in advantage to start with. Their coaches are always put on a pedestal (like Saban and Coach K) but it's not that hard to consistently beat far inferior competition.

Then on top of that you have a big bandwagon fanbase. Duke is a fairly small school in comparison to most division 1 schools, so they obviously have a ton of bandwagon fans who like to pull for winners and boast about. So that stuff gets annoying to a lot of people.

[bwgood77]

So basically they are hated because they are successful? Is that right?

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

And? Can people from other countries not be fans of NBA teams even if they haven't stepped foot in that team's city, hell even stepped foot in the country before?

I grew up on the coast of California and never stepped foot in North Carolina. I can safely say the vast majority of people wont meet a bigger Duke die hard than myself. I started watching Duke during JJ Redick's freshman year. I was in middle school and on the basketball team. Not being the biggest guy and with Duke being on ESPN multiple times a week my dad saw a couple Duke games and told me to watch how JJ play and try to copy that.

And guess what Ive been a die hard Duke fan since. I didnt stop following them after JJ left and started watching again when they started to recruit OADs this past decade. Nope I kept watching them even during the Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts time.g

I dont think where you live or when you started being a fan means anything. Its if youre still a fan even during the down times. And guess what even on down years Duke still has a bigger fanbase than 99% of college basketball teams.

I'm kind of the opposite. If ESPN rams a team down my throat and Dickie V constantly goes crazy over them it turns me off. Then they have the distinct recruiting/talent advantage so they automatically have the edge in talent before any season.

I can see being a fan more in the days where the athletes were there for longer like with Grant Hill. I couldn't really stand Laettner but Hill was great.

But in the 1 and done era for them it seems like it would be kind of hard to connect with any players very much since they only play for your team for 1 season.

2 seasons I can kind of see because you see them grow with the team, etc, and especially 3 and without a doubt 4, but a bunch of 1 and done guys makes it tougher for me.

[Duke4life831]

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

And? Can people from other countries not be fans of NBA teams even if they haven't stepped foot in that team's city, hell even stepped foot in the country before?

I grew up on the coast of California and never stepped foot in North Carolina. I can safely say the vast majority of people wont meet a bigger Duke die hard than myself. I started watching Duke during JJ Redick's freshman year. I was in middle school and on the basketball team. Not being the biggest guy and with Duke being on ESPN multiple times a week my dad saw a couple Duke games and told me to watch how JJ play and try to copy that.

And guess what Ive been a die hard Duke fan since. I didnt stop following them after JJ left and started watching again when they started to recruit OADs this past decade. Nope I kept watching them even during the Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts time.g

I dont think where you live or when you started being a fan means anything. Its if youre still a fan even during the down times. And guess what even on down years Duke still has a bigger fanbase than 99% of college basketball teams.

I'm kind of the opposite. If ESPN rams a team down my throat and Dickie V constantly goes crazy over them it turns me off. Then they have the distinct recruiting/talent advantage so they automatically have the edge in talent before any season.

I can see being a fan more in the days where the athletes were there for longer like with Grant Hill. I couldn't really stand Laettner but Hill was great.

But in the 1 and done era for them it seems like it would be kind of hard to connect with any players very much since they only play for your team for 1 season.

2 seasons I can kind of see because you see them grow with the team, etc, and especially 3 and without a doubt 4, but a bunch of 1 and done guys makes it tougher for me.

When I first became a die hard fan, it was still during the time when everyone was staying for 4 years. I watched JJ for 4 years. Then the very next year after JJ left, Scheyer, Lance Thomas, Big Z, Henderson came in. Then guys like Singler and Nolan. So by the time OADs became the main trend for Duke, I was already a decade into being a huge Duke fan. But ya now I can see it being much more difficult to gain the connection.

[CptCrunch]

So basically they are hated because they are successful? Is that right?

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

And? Can people from other countries not be fans of NBA teams even if they haven't stepped foot in that team's city, hell even stepped foot in the country before?

I grew up on the coast of California and never stepped foot in North Carolina. I can safely say the vast majority of people wont meet a bigger Duke die hard than myself. I started watching Duke during JJ Redick's freshman year. I was in middle school and on the basketball team. Not being the biggest guy and with Duke being on ESPN multiple times a week my dad saw a couple Duke games and told me to watch how JJ play and try to copy that.

And guess what Ive been a die hard Duke fan since. I didnt stop following them after JJ left and started watching again when they started to recruit OADs this past decade. Nope I kept watching them even during the Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts time.

I dont think where you live or when you started being a fan means anything. Its if youre still a fan even during the down times. And guess what even on down years Duke still has a bigger fanbase than 99% of college basketball teams.

Tell them how it is, no one gets to gatekeep team fandom. True fans of Duke gets hated more than alumni fans for not having attended Duke/not from the area. I am a Duke alum, and I barely watch Duke basketball

[HotelVitale]

That and the fact that 99% of Duke fans

1. Have never set foot in North Carolina much less been near the campus.
2. Don't know of anyone who has ever attended the school.

And? Can people from other countries not be fans of NBA teams even if they haven't stepped foot in that team's city, hell even stepped foot in the country before?

I grew up on the coast of California and never stepped foot in North Carolina. I can safely say the vast majority of people wont meet a bigger Duke die hard than myself. I started watching Duke during JJ Redick's freshman year. I was in middle school and on the basketball team. Not being the biggest guy and with Duke being on ESPN multiple times a week my dad saw a couple Duke games and told me to watch how JJ play and try to copy that.

And guess what Ive been a die hard Duke fan since. I didnt stop following them after JJ left and started watching again when they started to recruit OADs this past decade. Nope I kept watching them even during the Greg Paulus and Josh McRoberts time.

I dont think where you live or when you started being a fan means anything. Its if youre still a fan even during the down times. And guess what even on down years Duke still has a bigger fanbase than 99% of college basketball teams.

Tell them how it is, no one gets to gatekeep team fandom. True fans of Duke gets hated more than alumni fans for not having attended Duke/not from the area. I am a Duke alum, and I barely watch Duke basketball

Eh, I'm not very tribal about fandom and don't really take it outside of the games themselves, but hard to believe people don't find bandwagoning annoying on some level. Like in Philly there are tons of people of a certain age who are Cowboys fans, just cuz the Eagles stunk in the 90s and the Cowboys were great. These days they sort of stick with it but mostly just to troll Eagles fans, and only when they can; if DAL sucks one year they're not out there flying Cowboys flags from their cars, but if DAL is good and beats the Eagles a couple times that season, you're gonna hear about it.

I know you're both talking about really committing to a team and that's a very different thing, but it still feels a little lame to do that for a team that you know will be really really good, choosing them over local teams cuz the deck is stacked in their favor. (E.g. Duke may have had some ups and downs but they always make the tournament and usually win a few rounds at worst, so they only sway between 'top 10% of college teams' and 'top 2% of college teams in any given year). Not saying anyone's a bad person for that but doesn't make sense to me. Then again I can't be a college fan for that reason, playing field is ludicrously uneven and there generally aren't nearly as many ups and downs to follow.

[MotownMadness]

This Duke vs Carolina game is gonna be hyped. I honestly didn't know they've never met in the tourney.

[SkyHookFTW]

Awkward, no?

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TBF, it was already known by most ncaa teams message boards that he had another job lined up already.

I mean, a lot were wondering if they could poach him from SPU but seems that he already decided before the cinderella run.

I wonder how many offers Jay Wright has turned down over the years. He seems to be very happy at Villanova. There are a ton of 76er fans that would love to see him replace Doc.

How Jay Wright does what he does at a school with a student body of between 7,000-7,500 is amazing. He gets good recruits but never the best, yet Villanova is in the ranks of "Blue Blood" programs. Duke is small but more than twice the size of 'nova and 10x's the national coverage. If Villanova somehow wins the title that will be three in the past six years for a small Catholic school on the snobby Main Line of the Philly suburbs. Even what he has done there year in and year out almost defies logic.

[bradybunch]

Paige Buckers tonight y'all.

Fantastic women's player.