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Post#341 » by sdn40 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:10 pm

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So you wouldn't take a redshirt WR in round one, but you'd take a sub-division WR who had 43 receptions last year? And over a couple guys who dominated the SEC and Big Ten?


How many receptions does a WR get while on IR ??
And don't get me started on OSU guys who dominate with the best talent around them. It's all about projecting. Also, for a different view, check out Simm's Top 5 WR's. Many people bag on him, but his ratings have proven just as good as any of the others out there. At the very least, it's another viewpoint to consider
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Post#342 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:23 pm

Isn't Williams projected to come back during training camp? If he doesn't have any setbacks, I can't see them holding him out of more than 1 or 2 games, if any.
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Post#343 » by M-C-G » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:39 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Isn't Williams projected to come back during training camp? If he doesn't have any setbacks, I can't see them holding him out of more than 1 or 2 games, if any.


My guess was he would start on PUP, but I did hear reports he would be ready for camp. I'm just a bit skeptical, just like when that guy just tore his Achilles and people were like 6 months because Cam Akers. No, doesn't work like that.

I can see the appeal with Jameson for sure, because let's say he ran in that 4.2X range, if he doesn't get hurt, he is a player that you would never have a shot at drafting.

I still feel like Drake London is the guy that would be best here, but I've seen him mocked in the top 5 now more than once, and that is just way too early.

That leaves me with Olave as a guy that I think Rodgers would throw too, should be in about our range, and will come in ready to play day 1. That is a fine option, just don't see it as very high upside option. I'll be fine with the pick, it's reasonable and well fitting, though not very exciting.
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Post#344 » by sdn40 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:43 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Isn't Williams projected to come back during training camp? If he doesn't have any setbacks, I can't see them holding him out of more than 1 or 2 games, if any.


Eight month recovery time for a guy who depends on and pushes the limits of lateral movement in the knee ?? That's pushing it. And we've heard from pretty much every athlete that you don't fully recover until the following year. And we are talking about the Packers here, who are generally very conservative. Add in the unknowns, such as how much speed he may lose etc etc. To each their own, but I'm not seeing Gute taking a chance on that.
At the very least, he misses most of training camp, so it's a lost season regardless
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Post#345 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:44 pm

Gute also has a history of taking guys who weren't likely to contribute much in their rookie years.
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Post#346 » by sdn40 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:46 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:Gute also has a history of taking guys who weren't likely to contribute much in their rookie years.


Because the TT way was to draft for a need a year away. The WR need is not a year away. It's now. Gute has brought in plenty who contributed in year one, and you're behind the curve if you draft guys that need to sit
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Post#347 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:56 pm

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Post#348 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:00 pm

I'd just as easily say that you're being short-sighted if you're simply looking at who's gonna come in and be the best fit as a rookie. Unless you're Jamar Chase or Justin Jefferson, banking on any rookie to come in and give you WR #1 type production is a fool's errand. I'm picking the guy who's gonna be the best play-maker throughout the entirety of his rookie deal and hopefully his 2nd contract. I could see that being Williams or Olave to be honest.
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Post#349 » by M-C-G » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:04 pm

Just wait and see someone like Tyquan Thorton be pick 22, something nobody sees coming, kind of like the Stokes pick.
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Post#350 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:09 pm

Treylon Burks remains a mystery for me. Some have compared him to Deebo, but he doesn't really have that next gear/shiftiness that Deebo has out in space.

Burks kind of reminds me of a quicker Ty Montgomery, which could work in an MLF offense I suppose.
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Post#351 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:17 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Treylon Burks remains a mystery for me. Some have compared him to Deebo, but he doesn't really have that next gear/shiftiness that Deebo has out in space.

Burks kind of reminds me of a quicker Ty Montgomery, which could work in an MLF offense I suppose.


He's one of the Packers' 30 visits.
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Post#352 » by Ron Swanson » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:25 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Treylon Burks remains a mystery for me. Some have compared him to Deebo, but he doesn't really have that next gear/shiftiness that Deebo has out in space.

Burks kind of reminds me of a quicker Ty Montgomery, which could work in an MLF offense I suppose.


He's the most interesting of the 1st round options for me. Doesn't have the kind of change-of-direction quickness like the other dudes, but he's built like a TE and has legit deep speed. Alshon Jeffrey vibes (minus the attitude). Wouldn't be upset with him at all.
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Post#353 » by Matches Malone » Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:41 pm

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Matches Malone wrote:Treylon Burks remains a mystery for me. Some have compared him to Deebo, but he doesn't really have that next gear/shiftiness that Deebo has out in space.

Burks kind of reminds me of a quicker Ty Montgomery, which could work in an MLF offense I suppose.


He's one of the Packers' 30 visits.


Have they released a full list yet? The only other visit I saw being mentioned was Sam Williams.
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Post#354 » by ReasonablySober » Tue Mar 29, 2022 4:51 pm

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Matches Malone wrote:Treylon Burks remains a mystery for me. Some have compared him to Deebo, but he doesn't really have that next gear/shiftiness that Deebo has out in space.

Burks kind of reminds me of a quicker Ty Montgomery, which could work in an MLF offense I suppose.


He's one of the Packers' 30 visits.


Have they released a full list yet? The only other visit I saw being mentioned was Sam Williams.


Haven't seen one. I just noticed that it was reported that Burks listed GB as one of his visits.
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Post#355 » by LittleRooster » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:05 pm

I would love Burks on the Packers. Same with London but he’ll go to high for us


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Re: 2022 NFL Draft discussion 

Post#356 » by Treebeard » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:05 pm

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He's one of the Packers' 30 visits.


Have they released a full list yet? The only other visit I saw being mentioned was Sam Williams.


Haven't seen one. I just noticed that it was reported that Burks listed GB as one of his visits.


Is that a bit of gamesmanship from the team side? There's no advantage for the Packers to publish that list - that I can see. There is some advantage from the player/agent side - to show their client is generating team interest.
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Post#357 » by crkone » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:23 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Treylon Burks remains a mystery for me. Some have compared him to Deebo, but he doesn't really have that next gear/shiftiness that Deebo has out in space.

Burks kind of reminds me of a quicker Ty Montgomery, which could work in an MLF offense I suppose.


As long as that player can catch a ball over his shoulder unlike Ty who looks like me trying to do it.

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Post#358 » by Profound23 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:42 pm

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Yes, once they make it more realistic this will be great.

I traded Love and a 5th to Seattle for DK and Denver's 2nd round pick.

After some trading around I ended up with DK, Jameson Williams, Jordan Davis, Wyatt, and Dean
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Post#359 » by TroyD92 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:30 pm

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Yes, once they make it more realistic this will be great.

I traded Love and a 5th to Seattle for DK and Denver's 2nd round pick.

After some trading around I ended up with DK, Jameson Williams, Jordan Davis, Wyatt, and Dean


Yeah definitely feels like its not weighted correctly. Still a really cool feature
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Post#360 » by sdn40 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:51 pm

Ben Fennel just talked about Olave. He likes him, but you have to know what you're getting. He called him a shorter MVS. All of his work is gonna happen outside the numbers. Small frame. Zero YAC. Pretty much everything I was thinking. If we have to wait 20 years for a First Round WR, I want someone that is more well rounded than that. Not a popular opinion as most fans are thinking "80 yard TD catches dude" but how often is that gonna happen ?? Not enough to warrant #22 or #28 IMO.

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