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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#841 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:17 am

sixers4real wrote:We are
14-6 since the Harden trade (.700 winning %, a pace of 57-58 RS wins, right now only Suns have a better winning %)
10-4 in games Harden played (.714 winning %)


Harden is putting 22.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 9.9 APG on .618 TS and 3.3 TO (his best since OKC days)

And yet we all know Harden and Sixers can do better.

That isn't significantly different from the 2020-2021 team that finished the regular season with a win percentage of 0.681, the #1 conference seed, and then got dismantled by a five-seed at home in the playoffs, due to the fact that it couldn't play effective playoff basketball.

Again, the matter rests on whether Harden can win games in the clutch in the playoffs with the offense running through him. Regular season win percentages don't mean a thing in terms of winning a championship if a team doesn't have that caliber a player.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#842 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:23 am

sixers4real wrote:We are
14-6 since the Harden trade (.700 winning %, a pace of 57-58 RS wins, right now only Suns have a better winning %)
10-4 in games Harden played (.714 winning %)

Harden is putting 22.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 9.9 APG on .618 TS and 3.3 TO (his best since OKC days)

And yet we all know Harden and Sixers can do better.

As for the part underscored above, no, we don't, because so far whenever the Sixers have played playoff-intensity games with Harden -- against the Nets and Suns -- he's folded miserably. That doesn't augur well for the playoffs. We'll see what kind of player we have out there in a few weeks.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#843 » by sixers4real » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:43 am

Ferry Avenue wrote:
sixers4real wrote:We are
14-6 since the Harden trade (.700 winning %, a pace of 57-58 RS wins, right now only Suns have a better winning %)
10-4 in games Harden played (.714 winning %)

Harden is putting 22.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 9.9 APG on .618 TS and 3.3 TO (his best since OKC days)

And yet we all know Harden and Sixers can do better.

As for the part underscored above, no, we don't, because so far whenever the Sixers have played playoff-intensity games with Harden -- against the Nets and Suns -- he's folded miserably. That doesn't augur well for the playoffs. We'll see what kind of player we have out there in a few weeks.

I guess you’ve been in future, how is it?

(When Putin dies?) sorry about that, just dreaming.

Of course Sixers can do better.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#844 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:47 am

sixers4real wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
sixers4real wrote:We are
14-6 since the Harden trade (.700 winning %, a pace of 57-58 RS wins, right now only Suns have a better winning %)
10-4 in games Harden played (.714 winning %)

Harden is putting 22.4 PPG, 7.6 RPG, 9.9 APG on .618 TS and 3.3 TO (his best since OKC days)

And yet we all know Harden and Sixers can do better.

As for the part underscored above, no, we don't, because so far whenever the Sixers have played playoff-intensity games with Harden -- against the Nets and Suns -- he's folded miserably. That doesn't augur well for the playoffs. We'll see what kind of player we have out there in a few weeks.

I guess you’ve been in future, how is it?

(When Putin dies?) sorry about that, just dreaming.

Of course Sixers can do better.

I didn't say the Sixers can't do better. I said we don't know whether they can.

You said we know they can, so apparently you know the future.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#845 » by sixers4real » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:52 am

Ferry Avenue wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:As for the part underscored above, no, we don't, because so far whenever the Sixers have played playoff-intensity games with Harden -- against the Nets and Suns -- he's folded miserably. That doesn't augur well for the playoffs. We'll see what kind of player we have out there in a few weeks.

I guess you’ve been in future, how is it?

(When Putin dies?) sorry about that, just dreaming.

Of course Sixers can do better.

I didn't say the Sixers can't do better. I said we don't know whether they can.

You said we know they can, so apparently you know the future.

Yeah, I know that any player and any person can do better. Will they? We’ll see.
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Post#846 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 11:58 am

sixers4real wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
sixers4real wrote:I guess you’ve been in future, how is it?

(When Putin dies?) sorry about that, just dreaming.

Of course Sixers can do better.

I didn't say the Sixers can't do better. I said we don't know whether they can.

You said we know they can, so apparently you know the future.

Yeah, I know that any player and any person can do better. Will they? We’ll see.

Not sure where you got that belief. People have inherent limitations on their capacities. Tyreek Hill runs a 4.29-second 40-yard dash. Chances are he can't do any better.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#847 » by sixers4real » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:06 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:I didn't say the Sixers can't do better. I said we don't know whether they can.

You said we know they can, so apparently you know the future.

Yeah, I know that any player and any person can do better. Will they? We’ll see.

Not sure where you got that belief. People have inherent limitations on their capacities. Tyreek Hill runs a 4.29-second 40-yard dash. Chances are he can't do any better.

I think he can. That’s not his only goal in life. He devotes time to other things in life, personal things. Human beings are not robots.
But my point is he can, his body can do it.
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Post#848 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:15 pm

One thing to consider strongly here in my opinion is that since Harden's acquisition the team was the most spirited when Harden and Embiid were sitting and Tyrese Maxey played tremendous clutch basketball to spearhead a victory against a very good team -- the Heat.

In the playoffs I would give Harden a short leash regarding whether he can fill that role, and transition to Maxey very quickly if necessary. The team will take its lumps due to Maxey's youth and inexperience, but they would be far more spirited and driven in the effort than they would alongside a lethargic-looking Harden's doing it, if that's indeed what occurs.

That's the single reason Maxey should've started in the playoffs last year over a downtrodden and dispirited Ben Simmons, who functioned as a ball and chain on the team physically and emotionally. You stand to recapitulate that dynamic in this year's playoffs to the degree that you stick with a lethargic and ineffectual Harden in the clutch, when you readily have the dynamic and spirited Maxey as an alternative.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#849 » by mjkvol » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:28 pm

sixers4real wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
sixers4real wrote:Yeah, I know that any player and any person can do better. Will they? We’ll see.

Not sure where you got that belief. People have inherent limitations on their capacities. Tyreek Hill runs a 4.29-second 40-yard dash. Chances are he can't do any better.

I think he can. That’s not his only goal in life. He devotes time to other things in life, personal things. Human beings are not robots.
But my point is he can, his body can do it.


Bro, save your breath. Learn what many of us already have, that debating with a clueless bag of hot air is utterly pointless. He wants to sit Harden in the playoffs and feature Maxey - what more do you need to hear?
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Post#850 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 3:04 pm

mjkvol wrote:
sixers4real wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Not sure where you got that belief. People have inherent limitations on their capacities. Tyreek Hill runs a 4.29-second 40-yard dash. Chances are he can't do any better.

I think he can. That’s not his only goal in life. He devotes time to other things in life, personal things. Human beings are not robots.
But my point is he can, his body can do it.


Bro, save your breath. Learn what many of us already have, that debating with a clueless bag of hot air is utterly pointless. He wants to sit Harden in the playoffs and feature Maxey - what more do you need to hear?

You won't find any post in which I've said to "sit" Harden in the playoffs. However, if Harden is lethargic and ineffectual -- as he has been in both of the playoff-intensity games this team has played since his acquisition (Nets and Suns) -- the team would be foolish to run the offense through him in the clutch in the playoffs. Certainly he can be on the floor nonetheless, but the offense should run through Maxey under those conditions in my opinion.

You'll find that in every one of your attempts to undermine my credibility, you have to state something I haven't said or take something I've said out of context. This was yet another one. You're on quite the mission there, eh?

Here's a hint: I'm a nobody on a message board, just like you. There doesn't need to be any special attempt to undermine my credibility. My credibility is unknown and indeterminable, just like yours and everyone else's.
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Post#851 » by 76ciology » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:25 pm

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Post#852 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 5:58 pm

76ciology wrote:

Gruesome.

Compare that to this:



What a difference in team inspiration.
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Post#853 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 6:29 pm

I do think that the best version of this team in the future runs a lot more action for Tyrese as the lead ball handler (assuming he develops as a playmaker). Given Harden’s age and slowing first step, it would be help him a lot if he gets more opportunities to attack a rotating defense.

Problem is that Maxey isn’t ready this year and Harden is banged up which is why a title is such a long shot.
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Post#854 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:13 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:I do think that the best version of this team in the future runs a lot more action for Tyrese as the lead ball handler (assuming he develops as a playmaker). Given Harden’s age and slowing first step, it would be help him a lot if he gets more opportunities to attack a rotating defense.

Problem is that Maxey isn’t ready this year and Harden is banged up which is why a title is such a long shot.

You would have salary considerations under those conditions, as well. If you can't run the offense through Harden in the clutch of playoff games (if indeed that's the case in the future), you certainly shouldn't pay him like you can.

This team's best self in the future in my opinion probably features a point guard distributor and defender who can shoot from three (a Jrue Holiday type), Maxey, a 3&D wing, Harris (or someone like him but cheaper), Embiid, and a bench scorer who can routinely contribute 18-20 points. There's nothing etched in stone that says Harden has to be on this team. His absence frees up a lot of money.
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Post#855 » by Jailblazers7 » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:32 pm

Harden isn’t going anywhere unless Morey gets fired. The idea of him not being in this team isn’t worth spending time thinking about imo.

I think our best hope is that Maxey develops, Harden’s decline is health related and fixes that this summer, and we make marginal moves to improve our shooting & athleticism.
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Post#856 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:55 pm

Jailblazers7 wrote:Harden isn’t going anywhere unless Morey gets fired. The idea of him not being in this team isn’t worth spending time thinking about imo.

I think our best hope is that Maxey develops, Harden’s decline is health related and fixes that this summer, and we make marginal moves to improve our shooting & athleticism.

And that's fine, but his future salary should reflect exactly what he's able to do in this year's playoffs, not some fantasy of what he'll be capable of in the future. If he isn't able to spearhead this team effectively in this year's playoffs, the team will need to spend money on someone who can, whether that's eventually Maxey or someone else. Harden should be fine making the money indicative of a more supportive role, if indeed that's all he's capable of.
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Re: Welcome James Harden! 

Post#857 » by mjkvol » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:00 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:Here's a hint: I'm a nobody on a message board,.


Let's leave it at that.
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Post#858 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:01 pm

mjkvol wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Here's a hint: I'm a nobody on a message board,.


Let's leave it at that.

The guy who follows me around and makes a Philadelphia 76ers message board a "let's talk about a nobody who calls himself Ferry Avenue" message board. :lol:

Apparently I'm quite the topic in his universe. 8-)
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Post#859 » by mjkvol » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:04 pm

Ferry Avenue wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:Here's a hint: I'm a nobody on a message board,.


Let's leave it at that.

The guy who follows me around and makes a Philadelphia 76ers message board a "let's talk about a nobody who calls himself Ferry Avenue" message board. :lol:

Apparently I'm quite the topic. 8-)


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Post#860 » by Ferry Avenue » Tue Mar 29, 2022 8:05 pm

mjkvol wrote:
Ferry Avenue wrote:
mjkvol wrote:
Let's leave it at that.

The guy who follows me around and makes a Philadelphia 76ers message board a "let's talk about a nobody who calls himself Ferry Avenue" message board. :lol:

Apparently I'm quite the topic. 8-)


You're like a train wreck, it's hard to look away.

Aw come on, there's an ignore function here. Just click on my username and it's only moments away. You can do it. :wink:

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