Wisconsin Badgers Thread

Post #1761 » by **ReasonablySober** » Tue Mar 22, 2022 8:30 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:Also, to clarify my response to RS's post about paying for transfers, what I was saying was that maybe 10-15 guys will be worthy of any sort of substantial NIL we'd maybe have to "pay" for.

Beyond that it's just lineup filler. I'm sure if we got the equivalent of Iziah Brockington we could say, "yeah, sure, if you come here I'm guessing the local Raising Cane's will match the $2,000 sponsorship deal that Florida State's guy was offering you."

I think you're underestimating, on a huge level, just how much money is being moved between all levels of players, coaches, schools, and shoe companies in D-1 basketball.

Kerb Hohl · Post #1762 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:01 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:
Kerb Hohl wrote:Also, to clarify my response to RS's post about paying for transfers, what I was saying was that maybe 10-15 guys will be worthy of any sort of substantial NIL we'd maybe have to "pay" for.

Beyond that it's just lineup filler. I'm sure if we got the equivalent of Iziah Brockington we could say, "yeah, sure, if you come here I'm guessing the local Raising Cane's will match the $2,000 sponsorship deal that Florida State's guy was offering you."

I think you're underestimating, on a huge level, just how much money is being moved between all levels of players, coaches, schools, and shoe companies in D-1 basketball.

How much do you think Chris Vogt and Jahcobi Neath got or would get to transfer to Wisconsin?

All of this caliber of guy can maybe understand anywhere they go, they can get a few grand to stump for the local BBQ joint or something but I'm not sure it is there is a marketable difference between schools on the non-difference making transfers at this point.

But correct me if I'm wrong, I haven't seen the actual numbers.

If Baldwin Jr said, "I'm staying in college to improve my draft stock and transferring" while he had a subpar year with UWM, I could see him being seen as a difference-making player given he still has lottery pick potential. A guy like that I can see getting a tens or hundreds of thousands, perhaps into the millions.

The Badgers may want to get in on one of these caliber of guys given the crater in their lineup of guards leaving, but going off of history, I feel like we'll lose that bidding war.

Post #1763 » by **MickeyDavis** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 4:13 pm

I have a love/hate relationship with Davison but it's going to be weird not seeing him on the court next season.

chonestown · Post #1764 » by **chonestown** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 5:05 pm

MickeyDavis wrote:I have a love/hate relationship with Davison but it's going to be weird not seeing him on the court next season.

Just a flatout competitor.imo

I'll feel the same way about Davidson as time passes as I do about Krabbenhoft now. I'm weary of them being held up as avatars of the Good in college basketball. There's a good shot he ends up back at UW sometime ahead as a full time assistant. He'll probably be a good coach and a capable recruiter. Got out of the way and let it be Johnny's team this year (or Johnny was so good he wouldn't be denied as the leader. po-tay-to, to-may-to) and deserves praise for that. Tough as hell with more than a sprinkle of performativeness added to the mix. Steve Bardo will have to find new cliches next year. Might be a bumpy road.

Kerb Hohl · Post #1765 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 6:42 pm

I was on the "Davison is necessary and helpful to bridge the gap" side of things. I understood he annoyed some and they were ready for him to go.

The one thing I will be ready for is maybe a guy that can do a little bit better job of getting to the basket and getting open for a shot once the defense focuses on him. Late in the season when most teams had the Badgers fully figured out, him being option 2 or 3 on offense and focused on as such made it so that he couldn't get an open 3. Couldn't drive on guys overplaying him outside.

On the other hand, the grass is always greener. A guy that can shoot as well as Davison and can get to the basket is probably either not in the transfer portal or not considering Wisconsin.

ReginaldDwight · Post #1766 » by **ReginaldDwight** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 8:04 pm

Would Imagine Grant Basile would join UW if possible.

Diggr14 · Post #1767 » by **Diggr14** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:23 pm

Kerb Hohl wrote:I was on the "Davison is necessary and helpful to bridge the gap" side of things. I understood he annoyed some and they were ready for him to go.

The one thing I will be ready for is maybe a guy that can do a little bit better job of getting to the basket and getting open for a shot once the defense focuses on him. Late in the season when most teams had the Badgers fully figured out, him being option 2 or 3 on offense and focused on as such made it so that he couldn't get an open 3. Couldn't drive on guys overplaying him outside.

On the other hand, the grass is always greener. A guy that can shoot as well as Davison and can get to the basket is probably either not in the transfer portal or not considering Wisconsin.

Since Bronson Koenig left - Davison has been the second most important player we have had at UW since 2017. That could change next season. Wahl could overtake him (he has two years of eligibility remaining, due to Covid, correct?) But his recruiting class and the redshirt class with Trice was pretty disappointing given how they started and what could have been. Reuvers could have been a Jon Leuer type of a player. Kobe King could have been a decent SF, Davison could have been more efficient from 3, Trice I think came close to his potential, Ford could have been a stud - but he's one of those guys who have a ton of physical talent but dont quite figure it out. Potter had the potential to be the best of all of them - but just didnt play D. We had some pretty nice highs with them but also massive lows. The pressure and outside/inside influences got to these guys, I think that's fair to say. Davison, if anything, is a great leader.. and a tremendous teammate. You want someone like that representing your program and leading your team. People target and "hate" guys like this... and im not sure why. He is exactly what is right about college basketball. Plain and simple.

chonestown · Post #1768 » by **chonestown** » Wed Mar 23, 2022 10:44 pm

Kerb Hohl · Post #1769 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Mar 24, 2022 2:34 pm

ReginaldDwight wrote:Would Imagine Grant Basile would join UW if possible.

I don't know what his physicality is like, but that would fill one of the needs very well in replacing Vogt as the extra big man. He'd fit in better since he has a bit of range from outside, it seems.

Scholarship 1: A high caliber wing/guard transfer
Scholarship 2: A guy to fill Vogt's role, to some degree
Scholarship 3: Bowman if he stays, another useful guard if he doesn't

The transfer portal always goes worse than you think it will as a fan of Wisconsin. Most guys they contact, they don't get...but just for fun right now, I'd say getting Antonio Reeves and Basile would fill the needs, though, again, I don't think I know enough about Basile.

Kerb Hohl · Post #1770 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Fri Mar 25, 2022 7:17 pm

Seems like Basile from Wright State (Pewaukee) is a pretty good target at this point. That would basically cover all of the 4/5 roles with Crowl, Carlson, Wahl. Ilver/Hodges can be your emergency guys there but those 4 are plenty to cover all of those minutes. Basile can't bang like Vogt but can be a passable backup C and has a lot of offensive skill.

Get a high profile transfer at guard (or 2, pending Bowman) after him and I'm happy.

Diggr14 · Post #1771 » by **Diggr14** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:11 am

I would imagine Max Klesmitt would be a top target too. Wisconsin native, 3 years remaining. Averaged over 18ppg against power 5 comp for Wofford.

Diggr14 · Post #1772 » by **Diggr14** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:18 am

Whatever happened to Nobal Days. I remember thinking he had a shot midway through his HS career at being a badger. I think he's only averaging 1-2ppg for Tulane. Guess he never took the next step, probably peaked early?

Diggr14 · Post #1773 » by **Diggr14** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 7:35 am

Curbelo from Illinois hit the portal today too.

buckboy · Post #1774 » by **buckboy** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 1:20 pm

Diggr14 wrote:Curbelo from Illinois hit the portal today too.

Wisconsin is more likely to recruit me. The least Wisconsin-like player possibly ever. He's a walking turnover.

tski1972 · Post #1775 » by **tski1972** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:09 pm

I get it’s still three months to the draft but is there any thing to read into as far as Johnny not declaring yet?

Kerb Hohl · Post #1776 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Mar 29, 2022 2:46 pm

Diggr14 wrote:Whatever happened to Nobal Days. I remember thinking he had a shot midway through his HS career at being a badger. I think he's only averaging 1-2ppg for Tulane. Guess he never took the next step, probably peaked early?

He and Jordan McCabe are both awaiting their All American votes as Gard gets fired for not recruiting (or even offering in these cases) the state better, per meatballs.

Yeah, Days seemed to have faded out in the recruiting cycles in HS. By the time he was going to commit it was down to nobody special to get him. I think the Badgers initially wanted him.

Diggr14 · Post #1777 » by **Diggr14** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 1:36 am

I think the Badgers did offer him and then moved on with Wahl, iirc.. maybe wrong.

Kerb Hohl · Post #1778 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 9:18 pm

Carlson is transferring.

In the olden days I might’ve been a bit more saddened by this news as a fan, but they might as well just plug in one of the guys from Wisconsin scoring 15 ppg at a mid major in there now.

Carlson would’ve seen some minutes but needed to be able to show he can stretch the floor to fit in as anything other than a spot sub for Wahl.

Diggr14 · Post #1779 » by **Diggr14** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:09 pm

NIL and the changing of the transfer rules have absolutely killed college basketball.

Go back to the way it was, already.

MikeIsGood · Post #1780 » by **MikeIsGood** » Wed Mar 30, 2022 11:21 pm

I was so excited for Carlson. I don't know if it was the injuries, that he just didn't pan out, both, or whatever. Disappointing, but wish him the best.

NIL isn't going anywhere, but the transfer portal has drastically and dramatically impacted basketball - moreso than football IMO. I don't like it either.