Game 76: Pistons (20-55) @ Nets (39-36) Mar. 29 7:30 PM EST

[Piston Pete]

Very ASS-toot observation Mano!

[zeebneeb]

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Interesting to read Weavers thoughts on Cade.

[Manocad]

Very ASS-toot observation Mano!

Yeah, I have my moments. And well-played yourself.

I'd have been more flattered if someone commented about pointing out the Cade ICE thing, truth be told.

[Cowology]

Caught KD talking with media after the game and he said pre-game they had game planned for a poor outside shooting team. It caught them buy surprise when we knocked down 9 3's in the 1st half and they had to make some 2nd half adjustments.

Another way of looking at that is to say the Nets had to extend their defense in the 2nd half, which made it easier for Cade to attack. Not to take anything away from Cade who played brilliantly down the stretch, but we had 5 other guys in double figures and all 10 players had at least 5 points. 7 players other than Cade made a 3pt shot. I can't emphasize enough how important that is.

Stew is obviously the most surprising these last 2 games, but I'm here for it. Bagley & Hayes are also surprises. But those are the types of shots we need them to be able to make to keep the defense honest.

I also really liked just how active we were defensively in the 1st half. 11 steals & 4 blocks, but we got our hands on a lot of balls, dove on the floor, took charges and just generally swarmed. Our bench was especially active and it felt like Hayes & Key lead that charge with their energy. We let up a little in the 2nd half.

It kinda feels like if we had almost anybody other than CoJo in our starting lineup that we'd be winning this game. But gotta respect KD's game. Like him or not the guy is an assassin and he's been an absolute Piston killer this season.

[kierkegaard]

This will be an utter travesty if he doesn’t get ROY. Cade ICE. Motor Cade. Let’s go. Without a doubt the right pick for us for many seen and unseen reasons!!!!

I know this probably won't be well received here since it would be a serious blow to Cade's ROY chances, but if I were management I"d shut Cade down for a couple of games, even rest of the year.

His hip contusion is a concern. To me it suggests that the hip pointer from a few weeks ago hasn't resolved itself. These things don't just appear out of nowhere. And they don't just magically go away. His hip issues are probably connected to tissue tightness in his back as well as leg/hamstring. It could even be something on the side opposite his injury, something he compensates for by carrying too much weight on his injured side.

I said in a previous post that these things are not well understood by most casual observers nor by professionals in the sports world. I would also include most traditional medical professionals.

Perhaps you have to have gone through debilitating injuries/surgeries and then gotten extensive treatment in alternative modalities such as cranial sacral therapy or myofascial release, as I have--I could barely walk 1/2 a block at one point--to appreciate how contusions and tension in deep tissue need to be correctly managed in order to avoid more serious complications down the line.

Incredible 3rd and 4th quarters by Cade tonight.

And Killian appears to be coming on. Something clicked about a month ago and he's now in attack mode for the first time in his young career. Whatever your position you have to force the action, force the defenders to adjust to you rather than you to them. Attacking Killian is so different from the prior reluctant Killian. Even if he never becomes a decent shooter, this shift in mentality and behavior will work wonders for his game. I think he's breaking out.

Hold up there, cowboy. He got a tailbone contusion this game after landing on his butt/back.

I stand corrected re what happened tonight. But the point is still the same, perhaps even moreso. The fall (which I don't remember seeing) might have impacted him much worse because there was already tightness in his hips from his prior hip issue.

For example, I speculate that Grant's calf contusions are related to the falls he took in the Toronto game. Are speculations sufficient for action? Well sometimes they are. In this case I think it warrants caution. Cade has nothing to prove at this point. It might even be a chance to see what Killian has should he be forced into running the show again.

[Manocad]

I know this probably won't be well received here since it would be a serious blow to Cade's ROY chances, but if I were management I"d shut Cade down for a couple of games, even rest of the year.

His hip contusion is a concern. To me it suggests that the hip pointer from a few weeks ago hasn't resolved itself. These things don't just appear out of nowhere. And they don't just magically go away. His hip issues are probably connected to tissue tightness in his back as well as leg/hamstring. It could even be something on the side opposite his injury, something he compensates for by carrying too much weight on his injured side.

I said in a previous post that these things are not well understood by most casual observers nor by professionals in the sports world. I would also include most traditional medical professionals.

Perhaps you have to have gone through debilitating injuries/surgeries and then gotten extensive treatment in alternative modalities such as cranial sacral therapy or myofascial release, as I have--I could barely walk 1/2 a block at one point--to appreciate how contusions and tension in deep tissue need to be correctly managed in order to avoid more serious complications down the line.

Incredible 3rd and 4th quarters by Cade tonight.

And Killian appears to be coming on. Something clicked about a month ago and he's now in attack mode for the first time in his young career. Whatever your position you have to force the action, force the defenders to adjust to you rather than you to them. Attacking Killian is so different from the prior reluctant Killian. Even if he never becomes a decent shooter, this shift in mentality and behavior will work wonders for his game. I think he's breaking out.

Hold up there, cowboy. He got a tailbone contusion this game after landing on his butt/back.

I stand corrected re what happened tonight. But the point is still the same, perhaps even moreso. The fall (which I don't remember seeing) might have impacted him much worse because there was already tightness in his hips from his prior hip issue.

For example, I speculate that Grant's calf contusions are related to the falls he took in the Toronto game. Are speculations sufficient for action? Well sometimes they are. In this case I think it warrants caution. Cade has nothing to prove at this point. It might even be a chance to see what Killian has should he be forced into running the show again.

No. A hip pointer/contusion has NOTHING to do with a tailbone contusion. As I'm assuming you know, a contusion means bruise...which means pain...which in the days of tanking means an excuse to sit out if needed, so you announce it right away.

If the team wants to make up an excuse to sit Cade they can. But trying to tie a hip issue to this game's tail bone "issue" doesn't fly. It would be worse in appearance than just saying he sits out the remaining games due to the tailbone contusion.

[Uncle Mxy]

This will be an utter travesty if he doesn’t get ROY. Cade ICE. Motor Cade. Let’s go. Without a doubt the right pick for us for many seen and unseen reasons!!!!

I'd rather him not get ROY and have a chip on his shoulder for the rest of his HOF career here.

[breezypeezy]

Serious charity stripe discrepancy. Next season we winning a lot of these games once we start closing that gap and getting that fair shake from these refs.

[MotownMadness]

Watching the replay now, fell asleep early last night. Stewart and Hayes have looked much better recently

[MotownMadness]

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[MotownMadness]

Just finished, i knew going in Cade scored 34 then watching it get towards the end of the 4th i kept wondering where the hell all these points are gonna come from?

Clutch time!!!! Final 5 mins went off

[kierkegaard]

Hold up there, cowboy. He got a tailbone contusion this game after landing on his butt/back.

I stand corrected re what happened tonight. But the point is still the same, perhaps even moreso. The fall (which I don't remember seeing) might have impacted him much worse because there was already tightness in his hips from his prior hip issue.

For example, I speculate that Grant's calf contusions are related to the falls he took in the Toronto game. Are speculations sufficient for action? Well sometimes they are. In this case I think it warrants caution. Cade has nothing to prove at this point. It might even be a chance to see what Killian has should he be forced into running the show again.

No. A hip pointer/contusion has NOTHING to do with a tailbone contusion. As I'm assuming you know, a contusion means bruise...which means pain...which in the days of tanking means an excuse to sit out if needed, so you announce it right away.

If the team wants to make up an excuse to sit Cade they can. But trying to tie a hip issue to this game's tail bone "issue" doesn't fly. It would be worse in appearance than just saying he sits out the remaining games due to the tailbone contusion.

I'll try one more time. Grant has come up with a calf strain and they've decided to shut him down--I meant to say "strain" in my previous post, not "contusion. I'm sure one reason for the shut down is to help the tank. I'm equally sure the strain is real and they are being medically cautious. The question is, where did Grant's strained calf come from? I contend that it wasn't out of the clear blue and is most likely related to the nasty falls he took in the Toronto game where I think he landed on his tailbone twice.

So I assert the very thing you deny, namely that there can be and often is a physiological connection between something like a tailbone contusion and a later injury elsewhere.

The same applies to Cade. He was icing down during the game, which you do for inflammation and not pain management. And during the game a few weeks back where he got that hip pointer, you could seem him trying to stretch out his hip or groin area while sitting on the bench. That's enough to tell me that there's probably already tightness in his hip which will now be exacerbated by his tailbone contusion last night.

Inflammation is the body's way of protecting a certain area that has been dramatized. In response surrounding tissue has to compensate, which in turn can lead to a strain there and even more compensation. This process can compound over and over again at the deep tissue level, leading to "unfelt" lines of tension literally running up and down the entire body. This is how tightness in one area can eventuate in tightness/injury elsewhere. The cautious thing would be to keep Cade off the court for a bit. The best thing would be for him to get some manual therapy--please google the term if you don't know what it is. My guess is that the previous pistons trainer Arnie Kander was very familiar with manual therapy.

I tore both calf's playing BB and they both seemed to come out of nowhere, literally just running up and down the floor. But in reality they didn't come out of nowhere, which I now know from working with a set of manual therapists who understand deep tissue connections way better than standard medical professionals. As an example, I'd suggest that the same thing applies to the Michigan DE Ojabo who just tore his achilles during a routine Pro day workout. If hypothetically you could have peered inside Ojabo's body, you'd probably see that he was an injury waiting to happen because of all kinds of deep tissue tightness.

Hopefully I'm wrong about Cade's situation. But he's too prolific and valuable for the organization not to be a bit conservative.

[Cowology]

Ima just trust the Pistons training/medical staff to properly diagnose & treat our players. They probably have a pretty good handle on it.

[Manocad]

I stand corrected re what happened tonight. But the point is still the same, perhaps even moreso. The fall (which I don't remember seeing) might have impacted him much worse because there was already tightness in his hips from his prior hip issue.

For example, I speculate that Grant's calf contusions are related to the falls he took in the Toronto game. Are speculations sufficient for action? Well sometimes they are. In this case I think it warrants caution. Cade has nothing to prove at this point. It might even be a chance to see what Killian has should he be forced into running the show again.

No. A hip pointer/contusion has NOTHING to do with a tailbone contusion. As I'm assuming you know, a contusion means bruise...which means pain...which in the days of tanking means an excuse to sit out if needed, so you announce it right away.

If the team wants to make up an excuse to sit Cade they can. But trying to tie a hip issue to this game's tail bone "issue" doesn't fly. It would be worse in appearance than just saying he sits out the remaining games due to the tailbone contusion.

I'll try one more time. Grant has come up with a calf strain and they've decided to shut him down--I meant to say "strain" in my previous post, not "contusion. I'm sure one reason for the shut down is to help the tank. I'm equally sure the strain is real and they are being medically cautious. The question is, where did Grant's strained calf come from? I contend that it wasn't out of the clear blue and is most likely related to the nasty falls he took in the Toronto game where I think he landed on his tailbone twice.

So I assert the very thing you deny, namely that there can be and often is a physiological connection between something like a tailbone contusion and a later injury elsewhere.

The same applies to Cade. He was icing down during the game, which you do for inflammation and not pain management. And during the game a few weeks back where he got that hip pointer, you could seem him trying to stretch out his hip or groin area while sitting on the bench. That's enough to tell me that there's probably already tightness in his hip which will now be exacerbated by his tailbone contusion last night.

Inflammation is the body's way of protecting a certain area that has been dramatized. In response surrounding tissue has to compensate, which in turn can lead to a strain there and even more compensation. This process can compound over and over again at the deep tissue level, leading to "unfelt" lines of tension literally running up and down the entire body. This is how tightness in one area can eventuate in tightness/injury elsewhere. The cautious thing would be to keep Cade off the court for a bit. The best thing would be for him to get some manual therapy--please google the term if you don't know what it is. My guess is that the previous pistons trainer Arnie Kander was very familiar with manual therapy.

I tore both calf's playing BB and they both seemed to come out of nowhere, literally just running up and down the floor. But in reality they didn't come out of nowhere, which I now know from working with a set of manual therapists who understand deep tissue connections way better than standard medical professionals. As an example, I'd suggest that the same thing applies to the Michigan DE Ojabo who just tore his achilles during a routine Pro day workout. If hypothetically you could have peered inside Ojabo's body, you'd probably see that he was an injury waiting to happen because of all kinds of deep tissue tightness.

Hopefully I'm wrong about Cade's situation. But he's too prolific and valuable for the organization not to be a bit conservative.

You're moving the goal posts. Your original speculation was that Cade suffered a hip contusion which potentially stemmed from a not yet healed hip pointer he previously suffered. I clarified that he suffered a tail bone contusion which in no way ties to a hip pointer (also a contusion). Please Google "hip" and "tailbone" if you don't know where they're located on the body, as well as how a contusion (bruise) is created (blunt force trauma). This has nothing to do with physiological ties, torn muscles, karma, or the Hindenburg. He took hard falls in both cases--one on his hip, the other on his butt. This isn't rocket science.

How he should be treated moving forward is a point I never argued, other than to say the team shouldn't say something akin to "We're sitting him because his hip pointer, which hadn't fully healed, lead to this tailbone contusion" because that's just dumb; it makes no medical sense whatsoever. And they don't need to. They could just say he's worn out if they want to sit him out the rest of the season.

[breezypeezy]

Tailbone contusion is super jarring and painful right at the moment of impact but it's not a lingering injury. An athlete like Cade shouldn't miss any time over that unless it's strictly stealth tanking.
I experienced a pretty painful one slipping into concrete pool and landing on edge instead of pool (don't ask).
I didn't need to miss any work over it.
Cade will be sore, but there's no reason he cannot play.

[440BB]

Cade could be suffering from red ass after a season of getting hammered without a whistle.

The PR dept can call it tailbone but we all understand the real trauma.

[Manocad]

Tailbone contusion is super jarring and painful right at the moment of impact but it's not a lingering injury. An athlete like Cade shouldn't miss any time over that unless it's strictly stealth tanking.
I experienced a pretty painful one slipping into concrete pool and landing on edge instead of pool (don't ask).
I didn't need to miss any work over it.
Cade will be sore, but there's no reason he cannot play.

Did you have a bad hip at the same time? Asking for a friend.

[Manocad]

Cade could be suffering from red ass after a season of getting hammered without a whistle.

The PR dept can call it tailbone but we all understand the real trauma.

Winner