Official Celtics 2022 Off-Season Thread

[Curmudgeon]

If he could have opted not to have surgery then the tear isn't that bad.
I mean, the recovery time for a complete knee replacement-- which includes metal plates glued onto the tibia and femur and some plasticy stuff in the middle to simulate the lost cartilage--is about 6-8 weeks. It used to be longer, but the docs have gotten better at it.

[Marvel]

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So what does that mean in terms of timeline?

It’s misleading, because both of his options are surgery. Either he gets a cleanup, and misses 4-6 weeks. Or he gets a full repair, and he’s out for a few months.

It all depends on the severity of the tear, and they need to see what type of shape the surrounding area is in.

i got a feeling he's going to take the cleanup option. Personally i think he should shut it down and avoid something more serious. Either way like Marco Pierre would say "it's your choice".

[Curmudgeon]

Not really. It's all in the MRI, which I'm sure the docs showed him. Those things are pretty detailed.

[Marvel]

Not really. It's all in the MRI, which I'm sure the docs showed him. Those things are pretty detailed.

The devil's in the details then.

[Ill News]

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Well, this KOC article doesn't exactly inspire confidence about our chances this year...

For the record, I still think the C's can make noise in the playoffs (we go as far as Tatum takes us, really), but our ceiling is lowered with Time Lord out. Our defense will remain stout I'm sure, but not having a surefire eraser like Time Lord on the back line defangs the entire defense a bit. I won't jump to conclusions and say this is as worse as losing KG back in 2009; we'll need to see first how Ime and the coaching staff can recapture and recreate the defensive magic we've had with Rob in the lineup. Maybe Ime can adjust.

[Triple M]

I'm surprised we haven't heard already what type of surgery it is

[zoyathedestroya]

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From mediocrity to downright dominance. Now all I feel is despair lol. What a rollercoaster.

[flintsky21]

While losing Rob was a huge blow, the game against the Raptors gives me a bit more optimisim that the Celtics may be able to deal with his loss. And that's because it's pretty evident that the mentality and culture of defense has been engrained into the ENTIRE team. Heck we have someone like Hauser staying in front of his guy and pretty much holding his own on defense. We've been seeing the same for Pritchard too. That sequence where the Celtics had 3 consecutive blocks down low by 3 different players says it all.

Horford
Grant
Tatum
Brown
Smart

White
Pritchard
Theis
Nesmith

That's still a pretty good group going forward.

[Bostondave]

Perhaps someone could explain to me what positioning the celts could be doing right now. IMO there should be no sitting of such young personnel with perhaps the exception of Horford. Right now there's a fight for top seed. You want to win these last games and get homecourt for whatever series comes in the East. Not the time to coast exactly. Unless of course there's some nuance I'm not aware of.

No R. Williams takes quite a bit away. He and Smart had a synergy together on those alley-oops. Some rebounding is gone. Some spacing with him drawing out the other big. And some of those roaming blocks he made. Good team usually respond. This will be a real test to see the heart of this team. Not sure if you can get anything more out of them than what they've been giving. Seems they've all been performing at the top of whatever they do individually. Perhaps JB can add some more points. Can't imagine more coming from Tatum. Certainly don't want Smart thinking he has to save the day when he's finally seemed to settle into a quite comfortable and great role for him. Pritchard? Nesmisth? THey can step it up. Don't export more out of Horford. Always liked Theis. Perhaps he can step up a few aspects of his game. But R. Williams will sorely and surely be missed.

[Parliament10]

Perhaps someone could explain to me what positioning the celts could be doing right now. IMO there should be no sitting of such young personnel with perhaps the exception of Horford. Right now there's a fight for top seed. You want to win these last games and get homecourt for whatever series comes in the East. Not the time to coast exactly. Unless of course there's some nuance I'm not aware of.

No R. Williams takes quite a bit away. He and Smart had a synergy together on those alley-oops. Some rebounding is gone. Some spacing with him drawing out the other big. And some of those roaming blocks he made. Good team usually respond. This will be a real test to see the heart of this team. Not sure if you can get anything more out of them than what they've been giving. Seems they've all been performing at the top of whatever they do individually. Perhaps JB can add some more points. Can't imagine more coming from Tatum. Certainly don't want Smart thinking he has to save the day when he's finally seemed to settle into a quite comfortable and great role for him. Pritchard? Nesmisth? THey can step it up. Don't export more out of Horford. Always liked Theis. Perhaps he can step up a few aspects of his game. But R. Williams will sorely and surely be missed.

Well said.

Let's see what we can do, until Rob comes back.

[moonie_mcgee]

If he could have opted not to have surgery then the tear isn't that bad.
I mean, the recovery time for a complete knee replacement-- which includes metal plates glued onto the tibia and femur and some plasticy stuff in the middle to simulate the lost cartilage--is about 6-8 weeks. It used to be longer, but the docs have gotten better at it.

Come on Curm 6 to 8 for metal plates and glue? OK maybe for a desk jockey, but an NBA star? That'd be nuts. I can only image the player's pain tolerance. That tough sob stuff.

[moonie_mcgee]

While losing Rob was a huge blow, the game against the Raptors gives me a bit more optimisim that the Celtics may be able to deal with his loss. And that's because it's pretty evident that the mentality and culture of defense has been engrained into the ENTIRE team. Heck we have someone like Hauser staying in front of his guy and pretty much holding his own on defense. We've been seeing the same for Pritchard too. That sequence where the Celtics had 3 consecutive blocks down low by 3 different players says it all.

Horford
Grant
Tatum
Brown
Smart

White
Pritchard
Theis
Nesmith

That's still a pretty good group going forward.

That the lineup for me too. Keeps JB and JT at the 2 and 3 feasting. Keeps the bench intact. I fear they'd slide KWhite to the 2. And screw with the chemistry.

[moonie_mcgee]

Perhaps someone could explain to me what positioning the celts could be doing right now. IMO there should be no sitting of such young personnel with perhaps the exception of Horford. Right now there's a fight for top seed. You want to win these last games and get homecourt for whatever series comes in the East. Not the time to coast exactly. Unless of course there's some nuance I'm not aware of.

No R. Williams takes quite a bit away. He and Smart had a synergy together on those alley-oops. Some rebounding is gone. Some spacing with him drawing out the other big. And some of those roaming blocks he made. Good team usually respond. This will be a real test to see the heart of this team. Not sure if you can get anything more out of them than what they've been giving. Seems they've all been performing at the top of whatever they do individually. Perhaps JB can add some more points. Can't imagine more coming from Tatum. Certainly don't want Smart thinking he has to save the day when he's finally seemed to settle into a quite comfortable and great role for him. Pritchard? Nesmisth? THey can step it up. Don't export more out of Horford. Always liked Theis. Perhaps he can step up a few aspects of his game. But R. Williams will sorely and surely be missed.

Well said.

Let's see what we can do, until Rob comes back.

Without RW3 (at the moment) hope org is open minded.
No impulsive full throttle with missing plug. Flexibility!

[Cuban Pete]

While losing Rob was a huge blow, the game against the Raptors gives me a bit more optimisim that the Celtics may be able to deal with his loss. And that's because it's pretty evident that the mentality and culture of defense has been engrained into the ENTIRE team. Heck we have someone like Hauser staying in front of his guy and pretty much holding his own on defense. We've been seeing the same for Pritchard too. That sequence where the Celtics had 3 consecutive blocks down low by 3 different players says it all.

Horford
Grant
Tatum
Brown
Smart

White
Pritchard
Theis
Nesmith

That's still a pretty good group going forward.

That the lineup for me too. Keeps JB and JT at the 2 and 3 feasting. Keeps the bench intact. I fear they'd slide KWhite to the 2. And screw with the chemistry.

Rather have White over Smart. Smart went 3-10 on 3s and lost at Toronto. Then he went 2-10 on 3s in the loss to Miami. Smart should never have twice as many 3pt attempts than Tatum in any game. Smart has regressed into the selfish deluded player who thinks he deserves to shoot along with Tatum and Brown.

[Cuban Pete]

Perhaps someone could explain to me what positioning the celts could be doing right now. IMO there should be no sitting of such young personnel with perhaps the exception of Horford. Right now there's a fight for top seed. You want to win these last games and get homecourt for whatever series comes in the East. Not the time to coast exactly. Unless of course there's some nuance I'm not aware of.

No R. Williams takes quite a bit away. He and Smart had a synergy together on those alley-oops. Some rebounding is gone. Some spacing with him drawing out the other big. And some of those roaming blocks he made. Good team usually respond. This will be a real test to see the heart of this team. Not sure if you can get anything more out of them than what they've been giving. Seems they've all been performing at the top of whatever they do individually. Perhaps JB can add some more points. Can't imagine more coming from Tatum. Certainly don't want Smart thinking he has to save the day when he's finally seemed to settle into a quite comfortable and great role for him. Pritchard? Nesmisth? THey can step it up. Don't export more out of Horford. Always liked Theis. Perhaps he can step up a few aspects of his game. But R. Williams will sorely and surely be missed.

Well said.

Let's see what we can do, until Rob comes back.

Without RW3 (at the moment) hope org is open minded.
No impulsive full throttle with missing plug. Flexibility!

Before Timelord's injury, I felt the Cs will only go as far as their 3pt shooting takes them. Now that Timelord's out, nothings changed.

[Cuban Pete]

Perhaps someone could explain to me what positioning the celts could be doing right now. IMO there should be no sitting of such young personnel with perhaps the exception of Horford. Right now there's a fight for top seed. You want to win these last games and get homecourt for whatever series comes in the East. Not the time to coast exactly. Unless of course there's some nuance I'm not aware of.

No R. Williams takes quite a bit away. He and Smart had a synergy together on those alley-oops. Some rebounding is gone. Some spacing with him drawing out the other big. And some of those roaming blocks he made. Good team usually respond. This will be a real test to see the heart of this team. Not sure if you can get anything more out of them than what they've been giving. Seems they've all been performing at the top of whatever they do individually. Perhaps JB can add some more points. Can't imagine more coming from Tatum. Certainly don't want Smart thinking he has to save the day when he's finally seemed to settle into a quite comfortable and great role for him. Pritchard? Nesmisth? THey can step it up. Don't export more out of Horford. Always liked Theis. Perhaps he can step up a few aspects of his game. But R. Williams will sorely and surely be missed.

Well said.

Let's see what we can do, until Rob comes back.

Timelord has been one of the few consistent players this season. The difference between the first half and the second half is 3pt shooting. The in the past month up the start of the Toronto game, the Cs went from 17th in eFG% to 10th. The 3pt shooting in the last 3 losses (Dallas, at Toronto, and Miami) had one thing in common - putrid 3pt shooting. The 3pt shot is king.

[Darthlukey]

Was just poking around a betting site in Australia tonight, found that Smart is the $2.50 favourite to win DPotY. That sounds optimistic right?

[Bostondave]

Well not sure what to think with not actually seeing the game. R Williams out can explain some things but not others. One thing for sure is the team is out of the stratosphere now for sure. It was a tough game that the Celts certainly could have had. A bad spell late in the 4th seems to've sunk it. Not sure what R Williams could've done about just plain old missed shots, bunnies and layups.

I guess we need a larger sample size to really see what's what. Game against Tor where the starters mysteriously sat and this last one is too confusing for me at least. Always love Theis and he stepped it up. Liked Smart's hustle and highlights. The others need to step it up and try to regain that amazing form they had.

[Fencer reregistered]

Is it common to campaign as hard for DPOY as Smart is? The last guy I noticed doing that was Jordan. Have I just not been paying attention?

[BK_2020]

I would put Smart behind Tatum, Timelord, and Horford for defensive impact on the Cs.