Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[vulture]

Does anyone know what happened with Barnes last game, and why he was benched to start the second half? He looked totally disinterested in the 2nd Q, and was disengaged when he was benched.

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Yah His body language was not good last night. It's only the first time i noticed that though. Possible there was some drama behind closed doors. Maybe he got singled out at halftime. Not too worried about. Rookie seasons always have ups and downs. I rememeber bosh looked like he was gonna punch vince carter during a timeout in his rookie year.

All in all....there are no signs of a bigger problem. He just looked different last night. No big deal unless it becomes a pattern.

As far as the benching...barnes missed a whole bunch of assignments and switches in the first half. It didnt look like laziness to me. Just wrong decisions. He might be frusterated with our schemes.

At 6:55 left in 1st quarter we got caught with all 5 guys standing in a hotizontal line. Barnes was on the weak side and didnt fall back. A timberwolf just strolled past our line for an open layup. Nurse called timeout and started yelling. Pretty sure he was yelling at barnes.

Yeah this was the play where Scottie allowed Towns to get to his right hand to split the double and you can see Nurse was pissed about it. Gotta make Towns go left where your help is.
tough 2 games in a row for Scottie.

[mdenny]

Does anyone know what happened with Barnes last game, and why he was benched to start the second half? He looked totally disinterested in the 2nd Q, and was disengaged when he was benched.

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Yah His body language was not good last night. It's only the first time i noticed that though. Possible there was some drama behind closed doors. Maybe he got singled out at halftime. Not too worried about. Rookie seasons always have ups and downs. I rememeber bosh looked like he was gonna punch vince carter during a timeout in his rookie year.

All in all....there are no signs of a bigger problem. He just looked different last night. No big deal unless it becomes a pattern.

As far as the benching...barnes missed a whole bunch of assignments and switches in the first half. It didnt look like laziness to me. Just wrong decisions. He might be frusterated with our schemes.

At 6:55 left in 1st quarter we got caught with all 5 guys standing in a hotizontal line. Barnes was on the weak side and didnt fall back. A timberwolf just strolled past our line for an open layup. Nurse called timeout and started yelling. Pretty sure he was yelling at barnes.

Yeah this was the play where Scottie allowed Towns to get to his right hand to split the double and you can see Nurse was pissed about it. Gotta make Towns go left where your help is.
tough 2 games in a row for Scottie.

I didnt notice the disengagement while on the bench part that a couple mentioned....but i skimmed through the game a second time and there a couple camera shots that showed him not watching the game, not reacting to a great run we had. I don't think it's anything more than he probably got yelled at. No problem unless it becomes a pattern and we're nowhere close to that i don't think.

Overall...i think scotty's personality and conduct is the last thing we have to worry about.

[vulture]

Yah His body language was not good last night. It's only the first time i noticed that though. Possible there was some drama behind closed doors. Maybe he got singled out at halftime. Not too worried about. Rookie seasons always have ups and downs. I rememeber bosh looked like he was gonna punch vince carter during a timeout in his rookie year.

All in all....there are no signs of a bigger problem. He just looked different last night. No big deal unless it becomes a pattern.

As far as the benching...barnes missed a whole bunch of assignments and switches in the first half. It didnt look like laziness to me. Just wrong decisions. He might be frusterated with our schemes.

At 6:55 left in 1st quarter we got caught with all 5 guys standing in a hotizontal line. Barnes was on the weak side and didnt fall back. A timberwolf just strolled past our line for an open layup. Nurse called timeout and started yelling. Pretty sure he was yelling at barnes.

Yeah this was the play where Scottie allowed Towns to get to his right hand to split the double and you can see Nurse was pissed about it. Gotta make Towns go left where your help is.
tough 2 games in a row for Scottie.

I didnt notice the disengagement while on the bench part that a couple mentioned....but i skimmed through the game a second time and there a couple camera shots that showed him not watching the game, not reacting to a great run we had. I don't think it's anything more than he probably got yelled at. No problem unless it becomes a pattern and we're nowhere close to that i don't think.

Overall...i think scotty's personality and conduct is the last thing we have to worry about.

He looked upset on the bench, but I thought he handled it well when he came in. He looked way more engaged and it's not something to worry about.
When you don't play well and don't follow the game plan guys have to be held accountable.

Also when you have pitbulls like Smart and Beverley guarding you sometimes they will try to rook you so he's gotta be ready for that.

[Madhouse]

He isn't consistent yet. Don't see much of a problem with his defense. Remember he is playing a unique defensive role nobody else is capable of guarding everyone from Trae Young to Jokic on a consistent basis. The motor needs improvement but exhaustion plays a major role.

The biggest issue is the spacing and him not being comfortable with his shot and refusing to take the open jumper. But it's not something that just gets corrected over night, at the very least he will need the entire offseason to work on getting a reliable mid range and a decent clip shooting the open 3 but it probably will take several years.

[positivetension]

He isn't consistent yet. Don't see much of a problem with his defense. Remember he is playing a unique defensive role nobody else is capable of guarding everyone from Trae Young to Jokic on a consistent basis. The motor needs improvement but exhaustion plays a major role.

The biggest issue is the spacing and him not being comfortable with his shot and refusing to take the open jumper. But it's not something that just gets corrected over night, at the very least he will need the entire offseason to work on getting a reliable mid range and a decent clip shooting the open 3 but it probably will take several years.

I agree with all of this except I don't think it'll take several years. I'd bet on Scottie having a decent shot by next season.

[Madhouse]

He isn't consistent yet. Don't see much of a problem with his defense. Remember he is playing a unique defensive role nobody else is capable of guarding everyone from Trae Young to Jokic on a consistent basis. The motor needs improvement but exhaustion plays a major role.

The biggest issue is the spacing and him not being comfortable with his shot and refusing to take the open jumper. But it's not something that just gets corrected over night, at the very least he will need the entire offseason to work on getting a reliable mid range and a decent clip shooting the open 3 but it probably will take several years.

I agree with all of this except I don't think it'll take several years. I'd bet on Scottie having a decent shot by next season.

It could happen next season which would be great because he is then probably an Allstar.

[lolwut]

Yeah this was the play where Scottie allowed Towns to get to his right hand to split the double and you can see Nurse was pissed about it. Gotta make Towns go left where your help is.
tough 2 games in a row for Scottie.

I didnt notice the disengagement while on the bench part that a couple mentioned....but i skimmed through the game a second time and there a couple camera shots that showed him not watching the game, not reacting to a great run we had. I don't think it's anything more than he probably got yelled at. No problem unless it becomes a pattern and we're nowhere close to that i don't think.

Overall...i think scotty's personality and conduct is the last thing we have to worry about.

He looked upset on the bench, but I thought he handled it well when he came in. He looked way more engaged and it's not something to worry about.
When you don't play well and don't follow the game plan guys have to be held accountable.

Also when you have pitbulls like Smart and Beverley guarding you sometimes they will try to rook you so he's gotta be ready for that.

I thought he was upset at himself for dropping a turd of a performance in the first half. Nurse probably had some choice words for him at halftime. He was a lot more engaged and energetic when he re-entered the game in the second half.

[raptorforlife88]

You guys are reading too far into body language. He was probably just frustrated at himself a bit. In fact Nurse said Barnes was involved in making the decision for Precious to start. He realized he was not going to be able to stop KAT and Precious would have a better shot. Honestly that's a good sign of how mature he is.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie is not a 5.

[Madhouse]

Scottie is not a 5.

^^

[Los_29]

Scottie is not a 5.

Not in a traditional sense but he has been extremely effective guarding them at times this year.

Basketball is vastly different than what it was even a decade ago. Teams aren’t pigeonholing players to certain positions.

[HumbleRen]

Scottie is not a 5.

^^

I don't know what Nurse will do moving forward, he can get away with benching Scottie because he has the least amount of seniority but he's been arguably our 2nd best player since February. Everyone saying Barnes should come off the bench because "he isn't ready" are laughable, he's been one of the only consistent players on our roster since the new year.

The issue is, we're forcing him to play a position he isn't supposed to play, our starting line up's effectiveness would be just as mid if we started Siakam at the 5. Siakam/Barnes cannot protect the rim period.

[Los_29]

^^

I don't know what Nurse will do moving forward, he can get away with benching Scottie because he has the least amount of seniority but he's been arguably our 2nd best player since February. Everyone saying Barnes should come off the bench because "he isn't ready" are laughable, he's been one of the only consistent players on our roster since the new year.

The issue is, we're forcing him to play a position he isn't supposed to play, our starting line up's effectiveness would be just as mid if we started Siakam at the 5. Siakam/Barnes cannot protect the rim period.

Do you have a breakdown of how much time Scottie is playing the center position? To me there is a lot of switching and I frequently see him defend guards/forwards out on the perimeter. He’s not solely playing the center position. Lol.

Saying a player can’t do something therefore he shouldn’t do it is the exact opposite of what made this team so successful over the past few years.

Players get better especially 20 year olds.

[Madhouse]

^^

I don't know what Nurse will do moving forward, he can get away with benching Scottie because he has the least amount of seniority but he's been arguably our 2nd best player since February. Everyone saying Barnes should come off the bench because "he isn't ready" are laughable, he's been one of the only consistent players on our roster since the new year.

The issue is, we're forcing him to play a position he isn't supposed to play, our starting line up's effectiveness would be just as mid if we started Siakam at the 5. Siakam/Barnes cannot protect the rim period.

Indeed, we are forcing a fit on him and us that just isn't there. We should correct this in the offseason. Precious is a force defensively and him not starting a Center would be criminal next season.

[HumbleRen]

^^

I don't know what Nurse will do moving forward, he can get away with benching Scottie because he has the least amount of seniority but he's been arguably our 2nd best player since February. Everyone saying Barnes should come off the bench because "he isn't ready" are laughable, he's been one of the only consistent players on our roster since the new year.

The issue is, we're forcing him to play a position he isn't supposed to play, our starting line up's effectiveness would be just as mid if we started Siakam at the 5. Siakam/Barnes cannot protect the rim period.

Do you have a breakdown of how much time Scottie is playing the center position? To me there is a lot of switching and I frequently see him defend guards/forwards out on the perimeter. He’s not solely playing the center position. Lol.

Saying a player can’t do something therefore he shouldn’t do it is the exact opposite of what made this team so successful over the past few years.

Players get better especially 20 year olds.

I'm not saying he can't do it in the future but as of right now, all of our worst lineups is with Barnes or Siakam at the 5. They're currently at this moment, not capable of playing winning basketball at that position.

[HumbleRen]

^^

I don't know what Nurse will do moving forward, he can get away with benching Scottie because he has the least amount of seniority but he's been arguably our 2nd best player since February. Everyone saying Barnes should come off the bench because "he isn't ready" are laughable, he's been one of the only consistent players on our roster since the new year.

The issue is, we're forcing him to play a position he isn't supposed to play, our starting line up's effectiveness would be just as mid if we started Siakam at the 5. Siakam/Barnes cannot protect the rim period.

Indeed, we are forcing a fit on him and us that just isn't there. We should correct this in the offseason. Precious is a force defensively and him not starting a Center would be criminal next season.

.P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .O. Anunoby, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes lineup is - 17 at 315 minutes

.F. VanVleet, .O. Anunoby, .G. Trent Jr., .P. Achiuwa, .S. Barnes lineup is + 23 at 158 minutes

.K. Birch, .P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes lineup is - 13 at 156 minutes

.P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .G. Trent Jr., .P. Achiuwa, .S. Barnes lineup is a + 33 at 149

.P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .C. Boucher, .G. Trent Jr., .S. Barnes line up is a + 45 (highest net rating) at 101 minutes

.P. Siakam, .F. VanVleet, .O. Anunoby, .G. Trent Jr., .P. Achiuwa line up is a + 8 at 48 minutes.

Basically, any line up that doesn't have Precious or Boucher at the 5 is a negative net rating.



very telling.

[vulture]

I'm bracing everyone for the Ben Simmons comparisons in the playoffs because teams are not even guarding him right now and that has created some spacing issues.
He also won't be handling the ball as much due to the pressure and guys will get under him. He might spend a lot of time in the dunker spot if he doesn't start making some 3s again.

[Los_29]

I don't know what Nurse will do moving forward, he can get away with benching Scottie because he has the least amount of seniority but he's been arguably our 2nd best player since February. Everyone saying Barnes should come off the bench because "he isn't ready" are laughable, he's been one of the only consistent players on our roster since the new year.

The issue is, we're forcing him to play a position he isn't supposed to play, our starting line up's effectiveness would be just as mid if we started Siakam at the 5. Siakam/Barnes cannot protect the rim period.

Do you have a breakdown of how much time Scottie is playing the center position? To me there is a lot of switching and I frequently see him defend guards/forwards out on the perimeter. He’s not solely playing the center position. Lol.

Saying a player can’t do something therefore he shouldn’t do it is the exact opposite of what made this team so successful over the past few years.

Players get better especially 20 year olds.

I'm not saying he can't do it in the future but as of right now, all of our worst lineups is with Barnes or Siakam at the 5. They're currently at this moment, not capable of playing winning basketball at that position.

They need to play it to get better at it.

[HumbleRen]

Do you have a breakdown of how much time Scottie is playing the center position? To me there is a lot of switching and I frequently see him defend guards/forwards out on the perimeter. He’s not solely playing the center position. Lol.

Saying a player can’t do something therefore he shouldn’t do it is the exact opposite of what made this team so successful over the past few years.

Players get better especially 20 year olds.

I'm not saying he can't do it in the future but as of right now, all of our worst lineups is with Barnes or Siakam at the 5. They're currently at this moment, not capable of playing winning basketball at that position.

They need to play it to get better at it.

It's by far the most used line up and has been progressively getting worse in terms of net rating as the year went on. Maybe they can turn it around but I don't think it's the correct line up to properly utilize everyone's talents.

[Los_29]

I'm not saying he can't do it in the future but as of right now, all of our worst lineups is with Barnes or Siakam at the 5. They're currently at this moment, not capable of playing winning basketball at that position.

They need to play it to get better at it.

It's by far the most used line up and has been progressively getting worse in terms of net rating as the year went on. Maybe they can turn it around but I don't think it's the correct line up to properly utilize everyone's talents.

That’s why we play Precious, Boucher and Birch.

It’s good for guys to have that exposure especially Scottie.