Official Scottie Barnes Thread 2

[Psubs]

Cade is the next Paul Pierce like I thought but he's only really been awesome in March.

The award should be how you've done the whole year, not ignoring the 1st 4.5 months of the season.

Cade should win the Ben Simmons Sophomore of the Year award next season.

I think a redraft would see lots of Mobley and Cade votes for 1-2 and Barnes basically the consensus #3 with some having at 1 and 2. Then lots of fighting between Wagner and Green fans.

But as for this year, as great as Cade has been lately he's gotta be #4 after Mobley-Wagner-Barnes. They all had good seasons and he had an okay one.

Cade should be on par with Giddey in terms of Rookie performance over the whole season.

For me a re-draft would be 1. Cade 2. Barnes 3. Mobley

[Ell Curry]

Cade is the next Paul Pierce like I thought but he's only really been awesome in March.

The award should be how you've done the whole year, not ignoring the 1st 4.5 months of the season.

Cade should win the Ben Simmons Sophomore of the Year award next season.

I think a redraft would see lots of Mobley and Cade votes for 1-2 and Barnes basically the consensus #3 with some having at 1 and 2. Then lots of fighting between Wagner and Green fans.

But as for this year, as great as Cade has been lately he's gotta be #4 after Mobley-Wagner-Barnes. They all had good seasons and he had an okay one.

Cade should be on par with Giddey in terms of Rookie performance over the whole season.

For me a re-draft would be 1. Cade 2. Barnes 3. Mobley

Yeah, very similar.

The re-draft is tough. I think Mobley will be incredible as a starting 5 on a team with more shooting and defence around him once he bulks up. I assume they'll end up trading Jarrett Allen for a wing like the Pacers had to do. Mobley just looked so damn smart as the 5 at USC last year on defence and his speed would be too much for damn near every center if he had better spacing and playmaking around him and a shooting 4 instead of Allen in the dunker spot.

The Levert trade looks terrible. He's not a bad player, but when your 3 best players are 23, 22 and 20 you can't trade the #17 pick for a 6th man who's 27 years old. Waiting 6 months and drafting someone like Agbaji to hit more 3s and play better defence as a rookie than Levert plays now would have been better, even if that means the offense still falls apart without Garland. You can find a 2nd unit guy eventually.

[HumbleRen]

I think a redraft would see lots of Mobley and Cade votes for 1-2 and Barnes basically the consensus #3 with some having at 1 and 2. Then lots of fighting between Wagner and Green fans.

But as for this year, as great as Cade has been lately he's gotta be #4 after Mobley-Wagner-Barnes. They all had good seasons and he had an okay one.

Cade should be on par with Giddey in terms of Rookie performance over the whole season.

For me a re-draft would be 1. Cade 2. Barnes 3. Mobley

Yeah, very similar.

The re-draft is tough. I think Mobley will be incredible as a starting 5 on a team with more shooting and defence around him once he bulks up. I assume they'll end up trading Jarrett Allen for a wing like the Pacers had to do. Mobley just looked so damn smart as the 5 at USC last year on defence and his speed would be too much for damn near every center if he had better spacing and playmaking around him and a shooting 4 instead of Allen in the dunker spot.

The Levert trade looks terrible. He's not a bad player, but when your 3 best players are 23, 22 and 20 you can't trade the #17 pick for a 6th man who's 27 years old. Waiting 6 months and drafting someone like Agbaji to hit more 3s and play better defence as a rookie than Levert plays now would have been better, even if that means the offense still falls apart without Garland. You can find a 2nd unit guy eventually.

I think he's a proper 4 right now, Cavs been having a bottom 6 defence since Allen's been down and they've slotted Mobley at the 5.

[Psubs]

Cade should be on par with Giddey in terms of Rookie performance over the whole season.

For me a re-draft would be 1. Cade 2. Barnes 3. Mobley

Yeah, very similar.

The re-draft is tough. I think Mobley will be incredible as a starting 5 on a team with more shooting and defence around him once he bulks up. I assume they'll end up trading Jarrett Allen for a wing like the Pacers had to do. Mobley just looked so damn smart as the 5 at USC last year on defence and his speed would be too much for damn near every center if he had better spacing and playmaking around him and a shooting 4 instead of Allen in the dunker spot.

The Levert trade looks terrible. He's not a bad player, but when your 3 best players are 23, 22 and 20 you can't trade the #17 pick for a 6th man who's 27 years old. Waiting 6 months and drafting someone like Agbaji to hit more 3s and play better defence as a rookie than Levert plays now would have been better, even if that means the offense still falls apart without Garland. You can find a 2nd unit guy eventually.

I think he's a proper 4 right now, Cavs been having a bottom 6 defence since Allen's been down and they've slotted Mobley at the 5.

Ya, they probably keep them and Markkanen.

They should trade Love for Westbrook. Trade Sexton for anything they can get. Flynn, Svi (Waive), Birch and 2022 2nd pick (Det)?

PG FVV - Banton/Brooks
SG Trent/Sexton - UDFA
SF OG - Barnes - Justin
PF Barnes - Siakam - Yuta
C Siakam - Precious - Boucher

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[Ell Curry]

I think he's a proper 4 right now, Cavs been having a bottom 6 defence since Allen's been down and they've slotted Mobley at the 5.

That's probably right, but he's a 20 year old with a good frame and also they play Markannen and Garland, and I know there's a view out that that Markannen isn't horrible on D, but maybe I've caught him on the wrong nights, since whenever I watch him close it's pretty ugly on that end. In 2-3 years I think he'll be a 5.

[OakleyDokely]

Over his last 14 games, he has 65 assists to only 21 turnovers. Close to a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, which is crazy considering he's a rookie who handles the ball so much.

[Madhouse]

Over his last 14 games, he has 65 assists to only 21 turnovers. Close to a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, which is crazy considering he's a rookie who handles the ball so much.

5 APG pace right now which is where I see him next season, maybe 5.5

[Vampirate]

More than anything I think his growth depends on his handle.

His 3 point shot may or may not come, but if he can easily get to his spots inside 10 feet at will with his developing body, it'll bode well for his scoring and passing game.

[Vampirate]

Over his last 14 games, he has 65 assists to only 21 turnovers. Close to a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, which is crazy considering he's a rookie who handles the ball so much.

Before the season started I said I envisioned him as a rich man's Draymond Green as his real floor and got laughed at here.

Draymond fwiw has averaged about 7 assists /3 turnovers ever since his 4th year. Part of the reason was his teammates, but Draymond is also a very good passer.

[Madhouse]

Over his last 14 games, he has 65 assists to only 21 turnovers. Close to a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, which is crazy considering he's a rookie who handles the ball so much.

Before the season started I said I envisioned him as a rich man's Draymond Green as his real floor and got laughed at here.

Draymond fwiw has averaged about 7 assists /3 turnovers ever since his 4th year. Part of the reason was his teammates, but Draymond is also a very good passer.

Barnes doesn't really know yet what to do all the time, what happens when he does this and that, how the defense reacts and the process behind it, nor does he have elite handles or a respectable jumpshot yet.

All that being said, if he had to initiate offense the entire year without Siakam/FVV doing it themselves he would have averaged 5 dimes per game pretty easily. All that off 24 games learning how to play PG on the fly. 5.2 assists per game since FVV sat out that Denver game and he received more responsibilities in playmaking basically confirm this.

He should have a fairly easy time to match Draymond's assist numbers as his handle tightens and shot improves. The threat to knock down a jumper will open new passing lanes.

[Vampirate]

Over his last 14 games, he has 65 assists to only 21 turnovers. Close to a 3-1 assist to turnover ratio, which is crazy considering he's a rookie who handles the ball so much.

Before the season started I said I envisioned him as a rich man's Draymond Green as his real floor and got laughed at here.

Draymond fwiw has averaged about 7 assists /3 turnovers ever since his 4th year. Part of the reason was his teammates, but Draymond is also a very good passer.

Barnes doesn't really know yet what to do all the time, what happens when he does this and that, how the defense reacts and the process behind it, nor does he have elite handles or a respectable jumpshot yet.

All that being said, if he had to initiate offense the entire year without Siakam/FVV doing it themselves he would have averaged 5 dimes per game pretty easily. All that off 24 games learning how to play PG on the fly. 5.2 assists per game since FVV sat out that Denver game and he received more responsibilities in playmaking basically confirm this.

He should have a fairly easy time to match Draymond's assist numbers as his handle tightens and shot improves. The threat to knock down a jumper will open new passing lanes.

I like Barnes floor in terms of his mentality in what he came into the league with. He's basically "i'm just going to pass it to whomever can get an easy bucket, if the easy bucket is in my hands, i'll look to score"

I don't think he's phased by double teams because the ball would just move to whomever has the better percentage shot. Not to say he's perfect, or is prone to passing mistakes, but having that mindset at the get go is pretty important.

[Tripod]

15.5, 7.5, 3.5 for a guy who:

Is our 4/5 scoring option on any given night
Still has lots of work to go on a jumper
Still has lots of work to go on a 3 pt shot
Still needs better quickness, heavy feet lots of times
Still needs work on defensive side

He brings so much already, but still has so many things he can get better at. And that's the real exciting part. This is the tip of the iceberg.

[OhCanada1091]

Whether or not Scottie wins rookie of the year he has clearly outperformed his rookie class this year. Most of our guys Derozan, Lowry, FVV, Siakam and even OG are used to not getting the accolades they deserve. Scotties not. Hes won like 3 gold medals. Undefeated in highschool. Been a highly ranked player since grade school. Oh well we will see, I don't trust the media to make the right decision though.

[OhCanada1091]

Before the season started I said I envisioned him as a rich man's Draymond Green as his real floor and got laughed at here.

Draymond fwiw has averaged about 7 assists /3 turnovers ever since his 4th year. Part of the reason was his teammates, but Draymond is also a very good passer.

Barnes doesn't really know yet what to do all the time, what happens when he does this and that, how the defense reacts and the process behind it, nor does he have elite handles or a respectable jumpshot yet.

All that being said, if he had to initiate offense the entire year without Siakam/FVV doing it themselves he would have averaged 5 dimes per game pretty easily. All that off 24 games learning how to play PG on the fly. 5.2 assists per game since FVV sat out that Denver game and he received more responsibilities in playmaking basically confirm this.

He should have a fairly easy time to match Draymond's assist numbers as his handle tightens and shot improves. The threat to knock down a jumper will open new passing lanes.

I like Barnes floor in terms of his mentality in what he came into the league with. He's basically "i'm just going to pass it to whomever can get an easy bucket, if the easy bucket is in my hands, i'll look to score"

I don't think he's phased by double teams because the ball would just move to whomever has the better percentage shot. Not to say he's perfect, or is prone to passing mistakes, but having that mindset at the get go is pretty important.

Well this was the mentality at FSU and its what the Raptors have based their team on. Creating mismatches on offense and preventing mismatches on defense. Add in offensive rebounding and on the ball pressure and you have our teams identity. Barnes has been huge in realizing that identity.

[WuTang_CMB]

Whether or not Scottie wins rookie of the year he has clearly outperformed his rookie class this year. Most of our guys Derozan, Lowry, FVV, Siakam and even OG are used to not getting the accolades they deserve. Scotties not. Hes won like 3 gold medals. Undefeated in highschool. Been a highly ranked player since grade school. Oh well we will see, I don't trust the media to make the right decision though.

Media wont. People are lazy to do their research not to mention noone watches the raptors. Thats just our reality. Scottie has undoubtedly overtaken Mobley in the race for a while now in his play and now that we have taken over the cavs in the standings, it should be a no brainer.

I checked my site mobley was still -330. Barnes +220
I threw $100 bucks on him

[mdenny]

Whether or not Scottie wins rookie of the year he has clearly outperformed his rookie class this year. Most of our guys Derozan, Lowry, FVV, Siakam and even OG are used to not getting the accolades they deserve. Scotties not. Hes won like 3 gold medals. Undefeated in highschool. Been a highly ranked player since grade school. Oh well we will see, I don't trust the media to make the right decision though.

Media wont. People are lazy to do their research not to mention noone watches the raptors. Thats just our reality. Scottie has undoubtedly overtaken Mobley in the race for a while now in his play and now that we have taken over the cavs in the standings, it should be a no brainer.

I checked my site mobley was still -330. Barnes +220
I threw $100 bucks on him

I don't usually care much about this sort of thing....but I'm getting to the point where I'll be pissed if they don't give it to scotty. The cavs performance since Allen has gone down tells me alot.

The other thing that makes me mad.....Scotty is a much more flashy player than Mobley and we all know that's usually an advantage. Mobley is the solid and steady type that has a big impact....but Scotty is the type that can take over a game. Scotty would definitely win it if he was in NY or LA. I hate mainstream NBA media like that daily afternoon show that TSN airs? I cant remember the name. There is ZERO substance on that show. Noone says anything remotely interesting on that show.....ever. It's the most shallow coverage imaginable. And they clearly are mostly ignoring Scotty. **** that show.

I do like Chad Ford and some of the RInger stuff. But that boring ass wannabe soap opera "NBA today" show? couldn't pay me to watch that crap.

[will]

The fact that Scottie Barnes has hardly been the focal point of his team...

[Madvillainy2004]

As good as Cade played in March idk how you could look at the season numbers and give it to him over Scottie. Like the media somehow jumped off the Mobley train and went straight to Cade lmao.