2022 NBA Draft Part II

[clyde21]

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AJ 6-4.5 without shoes
Moore 6-4.5 without shoes
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You think AJ and Moore are the same height? I don't get that from the eye test...

yea i think they are pretty close

[Big J]

Paulo’s stock takes a hit after losing this one. If he’d Melo’ed the tourney he coulda duped someone into taking him 1st.

[The Moose]

AJ Griffin was invisible that game

[Sea2003]

Paolo looks 6'10 to me. Another good game from him. Regarding Griffin, has he always been this stiff? Not sure if its stiffness or his foot speed but almost all his self isolation possessions look awkward.

Haven't delved deep enough into this class but my top six would be:

Tier 1:
Chet Holmgren
Paolo Banchero

Tier 2:
Jabari Smith/ Ivey
Sharpe
Duren

[The Moose]

Paolo looks 6'10 to me. Another good game from him. Regarding Griffin, has he always been this stiff? Not sure if its stiffness or his foot speed but almost all his self isolation possessions look awkward.

Haven't delved deep enough into this class but my top six would be:

Tier 1:
Chet Holmgren
Paolo Banchero

Tier 2:
Jabari Smith/ Ivey
Sharpe
Duren

From what I've seen yes. The top 10 projections for Griffin I guess are based either on the belief that some of his abilities are being hidden by the role he was given at Duke ala Booker at Kentucky or that he is still recovering from his lower body injuries athletically, I'm not sure I'm buying either option.

If you were just looking at his overall stat profile you might think you were looking at Nik Stauskas or Corey Kispert instead of a guy who was built like a tank with a 7'+ wingspan. He reminds me of someone like Terence Ross who can throw down some really impressive dunks with nobody around, but overall can't really parlay his jumping ability into half court production in terms of slashing.

Griffin has shockingly low steal, oreb and fta rates for someone with his physical dimensions, I'd be very hesitant of taking him in the top 10 with all these red flags

[BostonCouchGM]

Paolo looks 6'10 to me. Another good game from him. Regarding Griffin, has he always been this stiff? Not sure if its stiffness or his foot speed but almost all his self isolation possessions look awkward.

Haven't delved deep enough into this class but my top six would be:

Tier 1:
Chet Holmgren
Paolo Banchero

Tier 2:
Jabari Smith/ Ivey
Sharpe
Duren

From what I've seen yes. The top 10 projections for Griffin I guess are based either on the belief that some of his abilities are being hidden by the role he was given at Duke ala Booker at Kentucky or that he is still recovering from his lower body injuries athletically, I'm not sure I'm buying either option.

If you were just looking at his overall stat profile you might think you were looking at Nik Stauskas or Corey Kispert instead of a guy who was built like a tank with a 7'+ wingspan. He reminds me of someone like Terence Ross who can throw down some really impressive dunks with nobody around, but overall can't really parlay his jumping ability into half court production in terms of slashing.

Griffin has shockingly low steal, oreb and fta rates for someone with his physical dimensions, I'd be very hesitant of taking him in the top 10 with all these red flags

there's no red flags. Not sure where you're getting that. Kid is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Shoots 46% from three. His averages won't wow you because he was coming off the bench in the beginning of the year and there were two other combo guards taking shots from him. He locks his guy down so his steals and blocks are misleading. He can C&S and take people off the dribble and be a plus defender at multiple positions. Plus he has high BBIQ and a good head on his shoulders with some swag. He's elite. Easily top 5-10 talent

[EMG518]

Paolo looks 6'10 to me. Another good game from him. Regarding Griffin, has he always been this stiff? Not sure if its stiffness or his foot speed but almost all his self isolation possessions look awkward.

Haven't delved deep enough into this class but my top six would be:

Tier 1:
Chet Holmgren
Paolo Banchero

Tier 2:
Jabari Smith/ Ivey
Sharpe
Duren

From what I've seen yes. The top 10 projections for Griffin I guess are based either on the belief that some of his abilities are being hidden by the role he was given at Duke ala Booker at Kentucky or that he is still recovering from his lower body injuries athletically, I'm not sure I'm buying either option.

If you were just looking at his overall stat profile you might think you were looking at Nik Stauskas or Corey Kispert instead of a guy who was built like a tank with a 7'+ wingspan. He reminds me of someone like Terence Ross who can throw down some really impressive dunks with nobody around, but overall can't really parlay his jumping ability into half court production in terms of slashing.

Griffin has shockingly low steal, oreb and fta rates for someone with his physical dimensions, I'd be very hesitant of taking him in the top 10 with all these red flags

there's no red flags. Not sure where you're getting that. Kid is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Shoots 46% from three. His averages won't wow you because he was coming off the bench in the beginning of the year and there were two other combo guards taking shots from him. He locks his guy down so his steals and blocks are misleading. He can C&S and take people off the dribble and be a plus defender at multiple positions. Plus he has high BBIQ and a good head on his shoulders with some swag. He's elite. Easily top 5-10 talent

Jaylen Brown might be more than twice the athlete. Griffin is.

[SelfishPlayer]

AJ Griffin made a high percentage of his threes from the NCAA/FIBA line, but his overall shot is questionable to me. It's a shot technique that renders him easy to run off the three point line. Look at how much distance this college defender covers and was still successful in blocking Griffin's three point attempt at 1:37 mark:

Watch on YouTube

I've seen Griffin make an adjustment that incorporated a shot fake, but you would like a guy that can simply get it off more quickly and/or with a higher release point.

[SeattleJazzFan]

From what I've seen yes. The top 10 projections for Griffin I guess are based either on the belief that some of his abilities are being hidden by the role he was given at Duke ala Booker at Kentucky or that he is still recovering from his lower body injuries athletically, I'm not sure I'm buying either option.

If you were just looking at his overall stat profile you might think you were looking at Nik Stauskas or Corey Kispert instead of a guy who was built like a tank with a 7'+ wingspan. He reminds me of someone like Terence Ross who can throw down some really impressive dunks with nobody around, but overall can't really parlay his jumping ability into half court production in terms of slashing.

Griffin has shockingly low steal, oreb and fta rates for someone with his physical dimensions, I'd be very hesitant of taking him in the top 10 with all these red flags

there's no red flags. Not sure where you're getting that. Kid is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Shoots 46% from three. His averages won't wow you because he was coming off the bench in the beginning of the year and there were two other combo guards taking shots from him. He locks his guy down so his steals and blocks are misleading. He can C&S and take people off the dribble and be a plus defender at multiple positions. Plus he has high BBIQ and a good head on his shoulders with some swag. He's elite. Easily top 5-10 talent

Jaylen Brown might be more than twice the athlete. Griffin is.

And quite a bit taller/longer.

But I like Griffin at about 17-20

[SeattleJazzFan]

Paolo 6-8.5 without shoes
AJ 6-4.5 without shoes
Moore 6-4.5 without shoes

is my prediciton

So 6’10, 6’6 and 6’6

I think that’s about right. I could see Paolo going 6’9 without shoes. He looks to be comfortably 6’10

[clyde21]

it's always hard to tell in pics but imo Moore/AJ are pretty much exactly the same height

also: Williams has freaky long arms

[The Moose]

Paolo looks 6'10 to me. Another good game from him. Regarding Griffin, has he always been this stiff? Not sure if its stiffness or his foot speed but almost all his self isolation possessions look awkward.

Haven't delved deep enough into this class but my top six would be:

Tier 1:
Chet Holmgren
Paolo Banchero

Tier 2:
Jabari Smith/ Ivey
Sharpe
Duren

From what I've seen yes. The top 10 projections for Griffin I guess are based either on the belief that some of his abilities are being hidden by the role he was given at Duke ala Booker at Kentucky or that he is still recovering from his lower body injuries athletically, I'm not sure I'm buying either option.

If you were just looking at his overall stat profile you might think you were looking at Nik Stauskas or Corey Kispert instead of a guy who was built like a tank with a 7'+ wingspan. He reminds me of someone like Terence Ross who can throw down some really impressive dunks with nobody around, but overall can't really parlay his jumping ability into half court production in terms of slashing.

Griffin has shockingly low steal, oreb and fta rates for someone with his physical dimensions, I'd be very hesitant of taking him in the top 10 with all these red flags

there's no red flags. Not sure where you're getting that. Kid is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Shoots 46% from three. His averages won't wow you because he was coming off the bench in the beginning of the year and there were two other combo guards taking shots from him. He locks his guy down so his steals and blocks are misleading. He can C&S and take people off the dribble and be a plus defender at multiple positions. Plus he has high BBIQ and a good head on his shoulders with some swag. He's elite. Easily top 5-10 talent

If you're projecting him to be anything more than a spot up shooter, then yeah there are some massive red flags. To become someone like Brown is going to take a complete transformation of his game from the college level. Brown had a free throw rate of 57, Griffin's is 18, Brown had 21 dunks, Griffin had 8, Brown made almost double as many shots at the rim as Griffin even attempted there.


^List of 1st round picks with Griffins free throw rate. Unsurprisingly, the list is made of basically exclusively spot up shooters. Griffin potentially is even more limited than a lot of guys on this list, he would be 2nd last in steal rate (ahead of only Rodney Hood) and he would be 2nd last in ast rate (ahead of only Kispert).

Projecting him to be anything more than just a spot up shooter is taking a massive leap of faith in a pretty much unprecedented transformation, I'm not betting on that.
Pick 15-20 seems like fair value imo

[eminence]

Vescovi is a guy I haven't seen a ton of discussion on who I would be very happy for Utah to buy into the early/mid 2nd and wind up with.

[God Squad]

Gabriele Procida looks like a baller. I just know little of opposition / competition level. As there as so many competitive tier's in European basketball.

[MemphisX]

Ousmane Dieng with a 13 point 1st quarter. At 6'10, his pacing running the pick and roll is intriguing. Looks every bit the part of a top 10 pick right now.

[crows2]

Beauchamp could easily be a Thybull with a better handle. His body & athleticism is elite.

Beauchamp could “easily” be the best perimeter defender of the past decade? Must be the greatest defensive prospect of all time then

[NYPiston]

there's no red flags. Not sure where you're getting that. Kid is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Shoots 46% from three. His averages won't wow you because he was coming off the bench in the beginning of the year and there were two other combo guards taking shots from him. He locks his guy down so his steals and blocks are misleading. He can C&S and take people off the dribble and be a plus defender at multiple positions. Plus he has high BBIQ and a good head on his shoulders with some swag. He's elite. Easily top 5-10 talent

Jaylen Brown had a MUCH more polished game in college and he's a more fluid athlete. When does Griffin ever take anybody off the dribble? Maybe on the odd occasion but it's certainly not something he does more than a flash here and there. He's a fine defender but his movements look stiff to me so I think he'll struggle with quickness at the next level.

He's so young so there should be some potential to unlock but outside of the elite 3 point shooting, I'm not seeing any other high level skills to warrant taking him near 5 IMO. I'd take him at 8-10 but I think anything higher than that is a bit ambitious.

[CptCrunch]

From what I've seen yes. The top 10 projections for Griffin I guess are based either on the belief that some of his abilities are being hidden by the role he was given at Duke ala Booker at Kentucky or that he is still recovering from his lower body injuries athletically, I'm not sure I'm buying either option.

If you were just looking at his overall stat profile you might think you were looking at Nik Stauskas or Corey Kispert instead of a guy who was built like a tank with a 7'+ wingspan. He reminds me of someone like Terence Ross who can throw down some really impressive dunks with nobody around, but overall can't really parlay his jumping ability into half court production in terms of slashing.

Griffin has shockingly low steal, oreb and fta rates for someone with his physical dimensions, I'd be very hesitant of taking him in the top 10 with all these red flags

there's no red flags. Not sure where you're getting that. Kid is Jaylen Brown 2.0. Shoots 46% from three. His averages won't wow you because he was coming off the bench in the beginning of the year and there were two other combo guards taking shots from him. He locks his guy down so his steals and blocks are misleading. He can C&S and take people off the dribble and be a plus defender at multiple positions. Plus he has high BBIQ and a good head on his shoulders with some swag. He's elite. Easily top 5-10 talent

If you're projecting him to be anything more than a spot up shooter, then yeah there are some massive red flags. To become someone like Brown is going to take a complete transformation of his game from the college level. Brown had a free throw rate of 57, Griffin's is 18, Brown had 21 dunks, Griffin had 8, Brown made almost double as many shots at the rim as Griffin even attempted there.


^List of 1st round picks with Griffins free throw rate. Unsurprisingly, the list is made of basically exclusively spot up shooters. Griffin potentially is even more limited than a lot of guys on this list, he would be 2nd last in steal rate (ahead of only Rodney Hood) and he would be 2nd last in ast rate (ahead of only Kispert).

Projecting him to be anything more than just a spot up shooter is taking a massive leap of faith in a pretty much unprecedented transformation, I'm not betting on that.
Pick 15-20 seems like fair value imo

I wouldn't call it a red flag. Griffin's role was basically a spot shooter at Duke. This could be K being senile or it could be the full extent of his abilities.

Griffin has several issues right now, and I think none of them can be gleamed from his college season, would need in-depth workouts from teams to figure out. 1) He is not showing much of the pop he displayed early on during high school. I don't think anyone knows if he is playing more conservatively or he has lost much of his athleticism. His vertical agility isn't that great, and he certainly doesn't play above the rim. 2) His role at Duke was basically spot shooting.

On paper, he isn't a top 10 pick period, but I think the mocks placing him in the #5-8 range are baking in some assumptions about his limited role at Duke. If a player puts up godly stats in a though conference, then every billy bob joe front office even the Kings would recognize his talent.

[BlazersBroncos]

Griffin's 3PT shooting really worries me. I just cant shake that he is the SF version of Nesmith when talking shooting. That shot just doesnt look transferable to the NBA.

[MemphisX]

With Griffin you are betting on his youth being enough to let him get back some of his athleticism. That is a question that will be answered behind the scenes IMO.