MVP Candidates against top 10 defenses this season

eathb_au · Post #1 » by **eathb_au** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:12 am

Stole this content but I think it makes good discussion.

Team defenses are ranked by DRtg/A (basically points allowed per 100 possessions).

Read on Twitter

Look I know there's already a lot of support for Jokic btb MVP but his numbers going up against better defenses, especially his TS% is absolutely insane.

Luka is nice too.

dygaction · Post #2 » by **dygaction** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:32 am

eathb_au wrote:Stole this content but I think it makes good discussion.

Team defenses are ranked by DRtg/A (basically points allowed per 100 possessions).

Read on Twitter

Look I know there's already a lot of support for Jokic btb MVP but his numbers going up against better defenses, especially his TS% is absolutely insane.

Luka is nice too.

It would have been nice to include win/loss records.

mediocrityrules · Post #3 » by **mediocrityrules** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:44 am

dygaction wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Stole this content but I think it makes good discussion.

Team defenses are ranked by DRtg/A (basically points allowed per 100 possessions).

Read on Twitter

Look I know there's already a lot of support for Jokic btb MVP but his numbers going up against better defenses, especially his TS% is absolutely insane.

Luka is nice too.

It would have been nice to include win/loss records.

Also, is it top 10 defenses at the time that they played them, or top 10 defenses now?

dlts20 · Post #4 » by **dlts20** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:54 am

Were any key guys missing from those defenses when some guys played them compared to others? All in all, who cares really. I think that it's pretty clear that the real mvp debate will be decided when these guys have to match up in the postseason

greekbuck34 · Post #5 » by **greekbuck34** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 6:30 am

dygaction wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Stole this content but I think it makes good discussion.

Team defenses are ranked by DRtg/A (basically points allowed per 100 possessions).

Read on Twitter

Look I know there's already a lot of support for Jokic btb MVP but his numbers going up against better defenses, especially his TS% is absolutely insane.

Luka is nice too.

It would have been nice to include win/loss records.

..and were those defenses healthy at the time they played them?

The Cavs and the Warriors have a top 10 defense, but Jarret Allen and Draymond Green missed half the season alsmost.
Bam Adebayo also missed games with the Heat.
The Celtics are now different without their rim protector.

JN61 · Post #6 » by **JN61** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 7:03 am

Tatum isn't MVP candidate.

MrPerfect1 · Post #7 » by **MrPerfect1** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 7:42 am

How many minutes did each play?

Asian Celtic · Post #8 » by **Asian Celtic** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 9:23 am

JN61 wrote:Tatum isn't MVP candidate.

Sorry had to bite, but :lol:

eyeatoma · Post #9 » by **eyeatoma** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 9:35 am

Embiid looks great against top defenses as well.

Hobo4President · Post #10 » by **Hobo4President** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 10:07 am

dygaction wrote:
eathb_au wrote:Stole this content but I think it makes good discussion.

Team defenses are ranked by DRtg/A (basically points allowed per 100 possessions).

Read on Twitter

Look I know there's already a lot of support for Jokic btb MVP but his numbers going up against better defenses, especially his TS% is absolutely insane.

Luka is nice too.

It would have been nice to include win/loss records.

Literally meaningless

JN61 · Post #11 » by **JN61** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 10:19 am

Asian Celtic wrote:
JN61 wrote:Tatum isn't MVP candidate.

Sorry had to bite, but

Celtics were total disaster earlier in the season when brown missed some games. Sorry but just because recent surge I can't ignore poor first half they had. Tatum is outside of top 5. Only players which matter in MVP discussion, the end.

nikster · Post #12 » by **nikster** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 12:08 pm

JN61 wrote:
Asian Celtic wrote:
JN61 wrote:Tatum isn't MVP candidate.

Sorry had to bite, but

Celtics were total disaster earlier in the season when brown missed some games. Sorry but just because recent surge I can't ignore poor first half they had. Tatum is outside of top 5. Only players which matter in MVP discussion, the end.

He currently has a better record than Jokic and Embiid, is tied with Luka and only half a game behind Giannis. It seems like your just arbitrarily putting more weight on the start of the season

JN61 · Post #13 » by **JN61** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 1:45 pm

nikster wrote:
JN61 wrote:
Asian Celtic wrote:
Sorry had to bite, but

Celtics were total disaster earlier in the season when brown missed some games. Sorry but just because recent surge I can't ignore poor first half they had. Tatum is outside of top 5. Only players which matter in MVP discussion, the end.

He currently has a better record than Jokic and Embiid, is tied with Luka and only half a game behind Giannis. It seems like your just arbitrarily putting more weight on the start of the season

By this logic Curry is MVP candidate as well.

GeorgeSears · Post #14 » by **GeorgeSears** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:13 pm

Seems about right with Jokic. Outside of that disaster against Boston, where he missed 25 shots, he's performed well against all the currently ranked top 10 defenses.

But it can also be a little deceiving, because against the Warriors this season, Draymond didn't play in any of those games and Jokic tore them apart. Would Draymond have made a difference? Probably, he's a good defensive player.

Mogspan · Post #15 » by **Mogspan** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 4:58 pm

CP3 >> Booker

"MVP candidate" LOL

JulesWinnfield · Post #16 » by **JulesWinnfield** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:02 pm

nikster wrote:
JN61 wrote:
Asian Celtic wrote:
Sorry had to bite, but

Celtics were total disaster earlier in the season when brown missed some games. Sorry but just because recent surge I can't ignore poor first half they had. Tatum is outside of top 5. Only players which matter in MVP discussion, the end.

He currently has a better record than Jokic and Embiid, is tied with Luka and only half a game behind Giannis. It seems like your just arbitrarily putting more weight on the start of the season

All of those guys are having clearly superior individual seasons than Tatum. And if you want to pick a guy who isn’t having as good a season as the top guys, but simply reward the team success… then Booker is a more logical selection than Tatum and it would be a travesty if Booker won also

Tatum is excellent but he’s not the MVP, not even on the short list

Post #17 » by **floppymoose** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:30 pm

I think Jokic needs to see success in the playoffs. That is what keeps him from being at the same tier as Gianis and Curry for me. I realize that isnt fully under his control, but he just hasnt scared me in the playoffs.

C64 · Post #18 » by **C64** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:35 pm

I guess it goes to the memphis grizzlies since Ja is missing.

BelgradeNugget · Post #19 » by **BelgradeNugget** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:44 pm

floppymoose wrote:I think Jokic needs to see success in the playoffs. That is what keeps him from being at the same tier as Gianis and Curry for me. I realize that isnt fully under his control, but he just hasnt scared me in the playoffs.

Have you watched Denver in the playoffs?

DarkAzcura · Post #20 » by **DarkAzcura** » Sun Apr 3, 2022 5:46 pm

JN61 wrote:
nikster wrote:
JN61 wrote:Celtics were total disaster earlier in the season when brown missed some games. Sorry but just because recent surge I can't ignore poor first half they had. Tatum is outside of top 5. Only players which matter in MVP discussion, the end.

He currently has a better record than Jokic and Embiid, is tied with Luka and only half a game behind Giannis. It seems like your just arbitrarily putting more weight on the start of the season

By this logic Curry is MVP candidate as well.

I mean, he was, before he got injured.