CobraCommander wrote:Gimli wrote:CobraCommander wrote:Ok so Luka been better than Giannis since last year… Even the most die hard luka fan hasn’t said that… I can’t and won’t touch that - have a good day..
Because you don't have any argument, that's why. Completely demolished by Luka today, but no, it's impossible for Luka to be better. Just "goodbye". What a good argument. Calling people idiots and then you don't want to respond.
Luka has been beating everyone all the time. Only Jokic managed to play on the same level against him 1 vs 1 team wise, but Jokic has 2 black spots in his career, Doncic has none.
I don't care what other fans say, I don't care about other Mavs fans. Giannis was very suspect before the bubble as well, but everyone thought he was what top3 or smth like that. Until he was exposed by Miami. Well I didn't think Giannis was so good back then. I don't need to see a proof screaming before my eyes, before I can see that something is true.
Besides, you also agree that the Mavs will go to the finals, you've said it yourself. If you put Giannis, do you think they beat the Suns? Absolutely not. Do you think Giannis fits nicels in the Mavs? Yes you do. So the only reason why you think Mavs will go to the finals is because Doncic >> Giannis. Only you can't formulate it, now I've helped you...
You'll see come playoff time... Doncic will destroy any opponest and any defense thrown at him. I just hope you'll have enough balls to admit you were wrong and it was obvious from the moon that Doncic is better.
Goodbye to you aswell, I know I can't except any good rationale from you anyway.
Naw it’s just not a real arguement at this point-
Luka great- Giannis great- I think Giannis better but honestly Luka could have a better game any day… it’s not a fight- if you on RealGM you know I bet the mavs go to finals this year because Luka always plays best in big games- today was a big game and Luka came through.
You want it to be Luka vs Giannis for real… and I don’t think that’s fair considering Giannis has accomplished so much more than Luka and is going to get more mvp votes than Luka this year.
If you think Luka is better than Giannis this year… I want to know by what measure… and why the mvp voters not gonna see it that way?
It's simple. Doncic can't be stopped. No one has prevented Doncic from scoring the ball himself or getting his teammates open looks. He can't be stopped. It's not possible. You can't prevent both. You can either stop Doncic from getting the open looks or you can stop his teammates. You can't stop both. No 1 vs 1 defense will stop him, maybe Kawhi can, but Doncic will just call a screen and Kawhi can't fight over a screen. Maybe if he was younger. And the moment he gets a screen, it's either lob to powell, open three somewhere or Doncic finishes himself. It's unguardable play. And Doncic does it by himself.
Jokic needs other players for that. He needs guy circling around him, cutting to the basket and so on. Doncic only needs people to stand at the 3 point line. But he does need a solid screener, though he doesn't have to be really anything special. He did magic with Mike Tobey and the Olympics as well, and Toby is an average spanish league starting center.
And Doncic has never been stopped. Jokic was against the best possible defense against him, AD + Lebron + Howard. Jokic had very bad series against them. On the other hand, Doncic demolished the best possible defense against him. And Jokic lost without a fight against the Suns. Everyone excepcted the Mavs to lose 4-1 or 4-0, they almost won the series. Everyone also excepted the Suns to win what 4-1, 4-2, 4-0, well they lost 4-0.
Today Giannis had difficulty scoring at the rim. Did he pass the ball good enough out of double teams? No he didn't. He didn't create good enough opportunites for his teammates, Doncic did. It's either Doncic or his teammates, that wasn't the case for Giannis today.
And Embiid needs someone to feed him in the post, you need to have a proper PG for him, no one else needs that. And Embiid isn't on the same level as a playmaker as Joker and Doncic.
And if you bring defense into it, fine, Doncic isn't as good. But the Mavs still have very good defense with him and also Brunson on the floor. You've seen it today against the Bucks. Doncic can't be so bad at defense, if you can still have good team defense with him. And if you still keep bringing defense into it, how did this 2x DPOY help the Bucks tonight? They couldn't stop Doncic and the Mavs. Neither did the Clipps. What good is defense if you can't prevent the Mavs team from getting open looks? I'm not sure why I should be bother with how good Giannis is on defense, if he can't stop Doncic anyway, and Giannis today was stopped, mainly by DFS, Bullock and Powell... Like these are some all-nba defenders... Okay DFS is.
As for MVP, Doncic didn't have good enough stats at the start. I think a lot of people say if he had the current stats early, he would be the MVP. The same effect Doncic had on people when he played against the Clippers, I see pretty much everytime Doncic plays. Other people just don't, I don't know why. I guess if DFS misses a corner three, they're just like "ehh".... I see an open look generated by Doncic, that just happened to be missed. Perhaps they look at the points at the end of the game, at the %, at the TS% and are not impressed. All I see is, how many good looks did Doncic create. And I can't find this with any other player and no one so far has managed to stop this.
Watch Jokic play. He will wait until someone gets open. I mean he that does quite a lot of the time. Doncic doesn't wait for anyone. Doncic creates the open look, pretty much always. Jokic, on the other hand, doesn't play 1 vs 1 often enough, so he also can't create often enough and he also doesn't have gravity enough like Curry somehow. Thus Jokic isn't as good. Jokic needs someone else, Doncic doesn't.
Doncic is like Steve Nash and LBJ combined on offense, without the athleticism of LBJ, but the same strength. Put Doncic's body into Nash, you'll get the same result.
